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#1: 70 years ago.. Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:28 am
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..one of the most interesting war started, we call it World War II.

Your thoughts?

#2: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:03 pm
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That was horrible to Finland too, we lost:
- Petsamo
- Salla
- Karjala / Karelia
- Suomenlahden saaret / Gulf of Finland islands

Our casulties were pretty high. And you all know that Russian main objective was to kill civilians by bombing cities and villages.

Rest in peace those who served for Finnish army

#3: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:12 pm
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I thnink the Brits and Americans had the same objectives.

#4: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Zturm,

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:43 am
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my deepest sentiment to those polish soldiers and normal people who at 5.00 am, fri september 1st heard gunshots and explosions not knowing what the hell was going on and what the hell it was going to become.

#5: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Therion,

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:53 pm
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I think everyone knew what's going on, as Polish army was already during mobilisation.

What they didn't know is that cowardly and treacherous French and English won't have guts to attack Germany and stop the war.

Yeah, but French and Russians paid for it dearly. In their own blood.

Too bad that there weren't proper compensations paid for the war. Germans should have paid compensations to innocent civilians for exposing them to war, for lost family members, for destroyed private property, etc.

#6: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:37 pm
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But what about the German civilians? Don't forget the fire storms in Hamburg, Dresden and the "liberated" parts of Germany where the Red Army plundered and raped there way to Berlin. Or Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

In a war there is only losers, but the history is written by those who are victorious.

My respect goes to all those who lost their lives during this epic war, let us all hope that we don't have to experience anything like it in our time.

(Although we wouldn't have great games like CC, Hearts of Iron or ASL without that time; -Oh what a dull life... Wink

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#7: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Therion,

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:38 am
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7A_Woulf wrote (View Post):

But what about the German civilians? Don't forget the fire storms in Hamburg, Dresden and the "liberated" parts of Germany where the Red Army plundered and raped there way to Berlin. Or Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

They should have been paid compenasation by German and Japanese governments which started the war and committed genocide (Japan before the official start of WWII) and introduced tactics like terror-bombing cities (Guernica, Wielu?, etc.), of course - as long as they weren't supported the regime, of course.

#8: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:32 pm
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Careful with the "proper compensations paid" as it is a slippery slope. That was the way things were handled after WW1 and Germany as the country was working only to pay "proper compensations" which later made it easy for the Nazi movement to get control....

#9: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:43 pm
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American sympathy for Finland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQmwbQttkY finnish subtitles

France sympathy for Finland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1MNQk3DECI finnish subtitles

#10: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:32 pm
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American sympathy for Finland? Not so sure about that... Shocked

On October 27th 1941 the Finns received "a stiff warning from the United States government not to attack the Murmansk railway and impede the transport of US supplies to the Soviet Union." (Seven Days in January by Wolf T. Zoepf, footnote page 23)

-Just as these brave Americans told the Swedish government that they might bomb Swedish cities by 'mistake' if we didn't allowed them (and their British colleges) to fly over Sweden on their way to bomb Germany... Rolling Eyes

Don't mistake me for a bloody nazi, since I'm living in the biggest brown-nosing country in the free world I'm damn glad someone told 'Grossfa' Adolf that he was a naughty boy! Otherwise I'm sure that I would be greeting with my right arm raised today... Confused

And at the same time I'm glad that I have the brave Finns as my neighbours to the east, alone they stopped Stalins aggressive expansion to the north-east and their only reason they attacked Soviet in '41 was to retake territories they lost after the peace after the winter war. As far is I know they somewhat lost their will to advance after they retaken those territories, but fell free too correct me if I'm wrong.

WW II is still an infected subject, 70 years since it started, but isn't it time that we stop to think in black-and-white? There were heroes and villains on both sides, both sides committed war-crimes, killed civilians and waged "total war" on each others.

Remember: "The first casualty of war is the truth"

#11: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:48 pm
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7A_Woulf wrote (View Post):

American sympathy for Finland? Not so sure about that... Shocked

Are you sure about that...

St PeterB times first Jan 1940

And they dint threat Sweden for that reason you mentiond. However US threat to bomb Gothenburg but for another reason.

Stalk

#12: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 10:51 pm
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Public is one thing, political another... Wink

Just quoting the book, a very well researched and detailed work. But sure? Can't be, first and only time I've heard about it, but at the moment I'm inclined to believe it.

#13: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:30 pm
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7A_Woulf wrote (View Post):

Public is one thing, political another... Wink

Just quoting the book, a very well researched and detailed work. But sure? Can't be, first and only time I've heard about it, but at the moment I'm inclined to believe it.

Politically… Hm, you mean as in the US people supported Finland but US politics did not?
So when Roosevelt condemn the Russian aggression vs the finns in early December 39 he meant?
And when US state urge a morale embargo against export to Russians, that became a total export ban, US politics meant?
Dint US freeze the Russian assets? (or was that when russians invaded the baltic nations?)
And when US house approve of a war loan to Finland of 20 mil, US politics meant?
Etc.. etc

Stalk

#14: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: 7A_Woulf, Location: Sweden

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 10:29 pm
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1939 was one thing, at that time Stalin was the enemy of the free world and the aggressor. The Finns did a hell of a job defending their country and without their bravery and the support from the rest of the world who knows if Stalin had settled with the territories he stole.

But isn't it a small misunderstanding here? -I'm talking about the continuous war in 1941 when the Finns cooperated with Germany in order to recapture their lost territories (and I think it's important to make a difference between a full alliance and the military cooperation that the Finns had.) At that time the enemy of the free world was Germany, and by good reasons too. According to the rule of "my enemies enemy is my best friend", Stalin was one of the good guys now and US did all they could to help Soviet in their fight. That's the reason I'm inclined to believe that the Americans threatened Finland.

#15: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:20 am
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Yeh well, my replies has been about:

7A_Woulf wrote (View Post):

American sympathy for Finland? Not so sure about that... Shocked

Im rather sure about that.

And that brings us to :

Quote:

1939 was one thing, at that time Stalin was the enemy of the free world and the aggressor.

And:

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But isn't it a small misunderstanding here? -I'm talking about the continuous war in 1941

No, i dont think sympathies for finland changed that much, because:

Apart from the contents in my previous posts. Have you considered that USA never declared war on Finland, even though Finland was at war with an US allied (soviet)?

So why dint USA declare war? Is it possible it has to do with em sympathies (both public and politic) American had for Finland?

#16: Re: 70 years ago.. Author: Tippi-Simo, Location: Helsinki

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:12 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote (View Post):

So why dint USA declare war? Is it possible it has to do with em sympathies (both public and politic) American had for Finland?

They had sympathies even that time.

But about Britain? Had the nerves to attack in Petsamo without declaring war (Winter War). What a wankers (and they think they play by the rules).

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