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One Man's definition of terrorist is another man's definition of freedom fighter.
Afganistan 1980's Islamic Holy Warriors were considered Terrorists to the Soviets. Martyrs and Heros to the Afganistan resistance. Freedom Fighters and "Allies" to the United States. 30 years later most of these same Afgan Fighters are now considered enemies to the United States and our NATO allies. |
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I think in answer to the OP's main point... fanaticism is best described as a soldier or chain of command that acts in premeditated crimes against humanity. |
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AFAIK these Afghan Fighters become bandit warlords that later were attacked by the Taliban and formed the Northern Alliance which NATO supported during the war in Afghanistan. So, they are still American allies. |
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ouch salt in the wounds...it is bitter irony that now almost 10 years after the war began, we are right back at square one negotiating potential peace terms with the initial enemy factions. Or at least Karzai is negotiating. Yes there are very strange rumours and stories about drug trade and "missing" American funds that were supposedly for aid purposes. Karzai's brother on the CIA payroll? Billions of $ mysteriously being moved with no audit trail. Troops are on orders to destroy marijuana I saw in a documentary. Re: the Norther Alliance the main leader was assassinated. Also rumours of U.S. / NATO aircraft being downed by AA weapons...possibly some of the U.S. supplied stinger AA missles that never were completely accounted for. Plus Pakistan has its own agenda...going back to the days of the USSR vs Muhajideen - U.S. funded battles. It was never U.S. directly - Pakistan intelligence was the middle man. Pakistan is like a free-swinging mercenary that is trying to oppress both Afganistan and India...all the while using the U.S. for whatever $ it can swindle.
Iran sending suitcases of cash to Karzai? Not sure what that is about. |
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China 50 years after Korea is now America's #1 trading partner. So it really was NOT all about Communism being the evil world enemy #1? |
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Vietnam likewise is now on the fast track to preferred trading partner. Intel allegedly is moving a major production facility there soon. |
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It really equates to virtual slave labor and maximizing profits for U.S. corporations. It doesn't matter that millions of American jobs have been permanently replaced in China, Vietnam, India and even former Warsaw Pact nations. I guess it really had nothing to do with politics now that the USSR is gone. |
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What? China stopped being communist some time ago. It's exploitative capitalist now. |
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The rest of you seems to be racists that hates EVERY german for something that their country did over 65 years ago. |
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Stalin was responsible for the deaths of about 30 million soviet nationals (deliberate starvation and excecution of anti-soviet elements) during his time |
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as well as the deportion and excecution of Jews, intellectuals,ethnic groups like different cossack tribes, estonians, finns, georgians and those who activly practiced different religion like buddishm. |
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The NKVD was like the Gestapo and had their own concentration camps : the Gulags |
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Stalin was responsible for the deaths of about 30 million soviet nationals (deliberate starvation and excecution of anti-soviet elements) during his time
where did you get these numbers from? |
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as well as the deportion and excecution of Jews, intellectuals,ethnic groups like different cossack tribes, estonians, finns, georgians and those who activly practiced different religion like buddishm.
wtf? are you serious? |
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Every state's Domestic Affairs Ministry has it's own prisons, camps, etc. |
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From different online sources,books and documentrys. But i must confess that the "excact" numbers are unclear, which ranges from 9-30 million. |
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Yes Im serious. |
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The NKVD hunted down Jews as well as Intellectuals for roughly the same reasons the Nazis did. |
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Perhaps the Soviet Union didn't kill so many of these unfortunate, but they did deport a huge amount of people to Siberia and the Gulags there. |
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The cossacks and the baltic-states were the ones who were hit hardest by the NKVD nd for example Lithuania got about 20% of its populance deported to Siberia as cheap labour because they were "kolaks" (independat "rich" farmers). |
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Religion in all was "forbidden" in the USSR, all churches and chapells were closed,but during the dark days of the Nazi invasion Stalin decided to open them to lift the spirit and morale of the people. |
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Btw, i think the Katyn massacre is a good example. Around 200 Polish officers executed because they could be trouble in the future. |
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War is always total war. |
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No need to cry for handful of jews which were killed. In fact, jews killed millions of Ukrainians (Holodomor) and Russians during communist regime. Every side was taking part of atrocities, but still my opinion is that jews were the biggest war criminals in WWII. |
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again, false number by you.. |
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Anyway, good example of anti-ussr fanatic |
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Some explination of the unclear numbers of dead kulaks (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulaks) "The overwhelming majority of kulaks executed and imprisoned were male,but precise numbers are somewhat difficult to obtain. |
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Many historians consider the great famine a result of the "liquidation of the kulaks as a class," which complicates the estimation of death tolls. |
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A wide range of death tolls has been suggested, from as many as 60 million suggested by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn to as few as 700,000 by Soviet news sources" |
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Check this about the Soviet view of religion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Soviet_Union
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia |
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False is such a "angry" word, I just forgot to hit two more "0"s. |
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That seems a bit unacalled for, but yeah...perhaps you are a too proud russian to listen? |
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Just tried to point out that NAzi germany wern't the only bad guys during the 20th century |
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Yes I am the first to admit unfortunately my nation has blood on its hands with Iraq as it was an illegal invasion in my opinion. But America does NOT systematically and in pre-meditated manner conduct... ...crimes against humanity. |
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USSR of course participated in brutal crimes against humanity of historic proportions but the vast majority was against other USSR citizens for political fanatic purposes. Also the USSR did not instigate conflict but actually was complicit with forming treaty of cooperation with Nazi's until 1941.June when Stalin could not believe he was attacked by his supposed ally.
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Soviet did not instigate conflict? Well, not vs Germany ofcose..
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, and most importent its secret protocol |
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