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#1: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:17 am
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This update improves the performance of the Ai.

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#2: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: LostTemple,

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:15 pm
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Perfect! Just in time! :)

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#3: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA

Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:48 pm
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Thank you! Much appreciated.

#4: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:45 pm
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Here the final result for gc finnish vet and the best soldier, great panzerjager.
Insert also the previous gc 3.4, there is a greater penetration of Soviet and even greater efficiency (more deaths from Finnish) compared to 3.5.

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#5: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:16 pm
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Can I ask a couple of things? How do I install this vetmod? I can't see a plugin in the file, just a bunch of files.

Also, it's meant to be played with the Finns?

#6: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:28 pm
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Thanks for your interest.
The vetmod is to play as a Finn against the russian
To manually install the vetmod changed upon adb files in data/base folder, GDG file in graphics folder, exe file in main folder, the zip file with the BTD in maps folder. Save the original files, uses the setting and the rules in the readme and enjoy yourself.

#7: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:24 am
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Dang those fins found a new source of metal.... 352 destroyed Russian tanks!!!

#8: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:59 pm
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Is it ok just to install this 3.5 files or do I have to put in the previous patches also?

Edit. Nevermind, seems to work fine.

#9: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:46 pm
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Ok I'm playing this mod and I've managed to cut off supply lines to Soviet tank units (no ammo/fuel). This leads to several damaged tanks in the after battle report. Question, do these damaged tanks get repaired for the next battle or will they be off the force pool?

#10: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:36 am
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I do not know, the Russians still have many. If you play on attack Ai to be much stronger, if you wait Ai attack you have more chance.

#11: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:50 pm
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Yep. Those damaged tanks are usually immobile but still have their turrets functional, meaning they can still blow a anti-tank squad to nirvana.

Oh well, gotta dig in and try to eke out results. Cheers salhexe.

#12: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:07 am
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Some observations, having played this about 1/3rd way through.

It would be great if the effects of weather would be included. During Winter War, many Soviet troops experienced more loss of troops from frost bite etc. then from Finnish bullits. So would be cool if especially the encircled Soviet troops would lose guys randomly at the beginning of turns. Also an encircled unit might experience a drop in morale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salients,_re-entrants_and_pockets#Motti

Would be great if Finnish troops could somehow use more then one unit to destroy an encircled unit, just like in a real 'motti' struggle during Winter War.

Also would be nice if Finns could combine units, many of my units are remnants of units that have been reduced to stragglers in the earlier fights. These are useless unless they could be combined together.

#13: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:40 am
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I hope that all mods cc5 is translated to war/tld to have more chance to modding.
In cc5 there aren't other possibilities for improvement I think.

#14: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Len,

Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:50 pm
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Thank You. One of my favourite Mods great replay value.
Now I have to watch The Winter War (1989)
and Fire and Ice: The Winter War of Finland and Russia (TV 2006) again.

#15: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:18 am
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Also a couple of other things I thought about, I think it would make sense for the objective for the Finnish side to be the destroying and capture of the Soviet troops. Or the stopping of them.

IMO it doesn't make much sense to get a few flags and then the game ends, in reality the real end of battle was signalled by either the Soviet troops being destroyed or they surrendered or the Finns withdrew or were destroyed. Not sure if it's possible to get rid of the flags and just make the objective the destroying of the opponents troops. At least in some maps.

And also, it's a bit strange how when you get the flags and the opponents troops are "dispersed", they are not counted as POW's or anything. IMO this doesn't make much sense, they just vanish? Anyway, this might be hard coded into the Close Combat code and can't be changed.

Anyway, cheers and thanks Salhexe.

#16: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:14 am
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I've now played this about 3/4 through. 10 or 11 days left I think.

The mod doesn't really reward going for the victory locations/flags. If you manage to get them all (usually against an enemy unit that is mostly infantry and not many tanks) that unit disperses and another unit, often tank-heavy, comes and replaces the previous unit. This means that it makes sense to delay the fights against the weaker infantry units and thus 'plug' that avenue from the enemy.

I've lost a lot of troops going for all flags thinking that it would make sense only to have a much stronger enemy unit to attack me afterwards. The Soviet flame tanks are pretty devastating against infantry.

Still it's been fun. Makes you think how unpleasant the real thing was, in -50 deg Celsius temperatures.

#17: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:09 pm
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Playing Winter War as Finland is mostly played in defense and this is frustrating because usually Ai sleep.

In CC5 the best places are when the human player must attack as in the Ardennes.

#18: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:20 pm
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Also, if a tank-heavy unit has zero ammo and zero fuel and the tanks cannot move on the battlefield, how can they still move around on the bigger battlemap? I mean the big strategic battlemap.

Little things like these could be fixed making this great game even greater. And yes the AI pathfinding is irritating and quite passive sometimes, although it sometimes gives a small breather for my depleted infantry.

#19: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:47 am
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BG's not be able to move and improved path finding are available/implemented in the CC re-releases....

#20: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Sapa,

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:04 am
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Actually the cold weather during The Winterwar is a myth Wink

Down below is the lowest temp meassured by month and this was just during short periods

Dec -34 C

Jan -38 C

Feb -39C

Sources: Winterwar.com

http://www.winterwar.com/other/weather.htm

#21: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:49 am
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Good link Sapa!

I remember reading that site years ago and it is very interesting.....

#22: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:50 am
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

BG's not be able to move and improved path finding are available/implemented in the CC re-releases....

Really? So by re-release you mean WAR, TLD, Cross of Iron, etc.? So I cannot play Winter War - mod with the immoblized BG's and better pathing?

#23: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 1:50 am
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Yes, WAR, TLD and LSA (COI does not have a strat layer). Correct CC5 mods unfortunately do not work unchanged on the re-releases....

#24: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: Dima,

Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:55 am
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Actually the cold weather during The Winterwar is a myth

Down below is the lowest temp meassured by month and this was just during short periods

hahaha, good weather indeed Smile

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but what we have now is the day by day accounts (from both sides) for all the motties the RKKA units have got into - sux to be on both sides Sad

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but no account shows equal size finnish unit could destroy or encircle the RA unit, same as for vice versa (with worse proportion for the RA actually), but the finns were really winning tactically most of the early battles.

#25: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:35 pm
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Sapa,

interesting link. I guess it wasn't that cold during Winter War, although the cold temperatures can vary, usually in a low area the temperature can be several degrees colder then higher up. Wind chill is also a big factor, can mess you up if you're in a windy spot.

I guess during my military service in the Finnish military I had similar level temperature (~ -35 Celsius) as during the Winter War. Well it was cold, I can telll you that. Sad

One type of map that I miss from the Winter War mod is a very dense forest with very bad visibility. I know there are some forest maps but they don't really allow for the infantry to attack the Soviet tanks. I always lose many men trying to take out one Ivan tank. There really isn't a "Battle of Raatteentie" - scenario, a battle where the Finns would decimate a Soviet column of tanks and other stuff.

Also, since it always indicates the weather before the days battles, then maybe this should also have an effect for the fighting. Like, during a blizzard the Finns could creep closer to the tanks and get them etc.

Cheers

#26: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:07 am
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I noticed Salhexe had an effective AT-gun, so did I. This is probably the most effective AT-gun I've had in any campaign, this one has lived through several battles.

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#27: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:30 pm
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One arty piece was able to earn the Grand Cross. Don't see these babies too often. I once got this earlier in this campaign but that guy died earning it so it was posthumous. This guy is still kicking around.

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#28: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:29 pm
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Very nice, never seen Smile

#29: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: putteH,

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:02 pm
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I found it!

#30: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:02 am
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That AT-gun actually managed to win another Grand Cross before itself was blown to pieces.

This is the campaign so far, I think I still got couple of days left. Managed to basically stop the Soviets pretty much completely.

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#31: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: salhexe,

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:19 am
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Very good Smile

, my tactic was to stand on the Mannerheim line, instead you fight for every meter of ground.

I hope someone translates this great mod for WAR / TLDs and the strategic moviment of the Ai engine, now very bad.

#32: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:54 pm
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Well I managed to finally wrap up this GC. Quite a feat, played this longer then the real Winter War lasted, lol. In the last couple of days I lost most of the territory south of the Mannerheim - line but still 'won', or did better then historical counterpart.

Some thoughts (in addition to what I've already written), the cutting off of the enemies supply lines worked great. I could do it with these small infantry units very much like what happened during the real war. Finns used a lot of long range patrols against the rear of the Soviets. The 'collapse' of the front is a constant fear. Finns also used snipers to great effect, I had a couple of pretty good snipers but they tended to die off pretty soon.

The Soviet mortar teams seemed a bit overpowered, I think one team is eight guys and each has it's own tube they can fire. Finns had a mortar team of six guys with one tube combined. Then again the Soviets did have a material superiority in the real war. Soviet 152 mm arty spotters were pretty destructive, plus the flame tanks especially if I didn't have any AT to counter them.

One thing, althought the Soviets used infantry a lot in the real war, in this mod there really isn't that type of human wave attacks, a lot of Soviet infantry coming at you. Most effective weapons for Finns are the Maxims, they mow down the Soviets.

Also many of the battles especially toward the end were me waiting as the Soviet tanks had been immobilised after me cutting off the supply lines. A little boring but saved my guys that's for sure. I couldn't destroy the immobilized tanks with infantry cause they always cut down my guys before they got within molotov/satchel/flamer range.

It would be great if at some point this mod could be ported to LSA or even newer CC - type game with an even greater emphasis on reality. Even now at best it gives a very good idea of what the war was like.

- MF Smile

#33: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: southern_land,

Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:03 am
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MajorFrank wrote (View Post):

It would be great if at some point this mod could be ported to LSA - MF Smile

hell yeah

#34: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: caruso, Location: Livorno

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:49 pm
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MajorFrank wrote (View Post):

Also a couple of other things I thought about, I think it would make sense for the objective for the Finnish side to be the destroying and capture of the Soviet troops. Or the stopping of them.

IMO it doesn't make much sense to get a few flags and then the game ends, in reality the real end of battle was signalled by either the Soviet troops being destroyed or they surrendered or the Finns withdrew or were destroyed. Not sure if it's possible to get rid of the flags and just make the objective the destroying of the opponents troops. At least in some maps.

Anyway, cheers and thanks Salhexe.

Hi!! just don't use time limit Smile

#35: Re: CC5 Winter War finland S vetmod 3.5 Author: MajorFrank,

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:58 am
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caruso wrote (View Post):

MajorFrank wrote (View Post):

Hi!! just don't use time limit Smile

Ah, yes. I know. I just played my campaign as recommended with the time limit. But thanks for the tip anyway. Smile

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