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#21: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: dj PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:39 pm
No no no...virtually ALL armed insurrections have a loose patchquilt of various factions that unite as one due to the necessity of taking-out the command/control of the government.  Yes it is true that the Muslim Brotherhood has some limited factions with "terror" agendas to promote fundamentalist Islam.  However it is extremely unlikely that the various Arab / Persian rebellions were actually due to these terror-linked interests.  For example Syria and Iran already have a radical fundamentalist government in charge with state-sponsored links to terror groups.  

Basically the limited factions that did have ties to radical Islam agenda, were simply exploiting the situation to leverage their interests.  Precisely as America and the West did exactly the same.  On the drop of a dime, we switched sides...dropped support for both Hosni Mubarek and Colonel Kaddiffy like a hot potato.   Then all of a sudden we painted a negative portrait of the Libyan and Egyptian dictators to give the illusion we were on the side of Human Rights and the "people".  

Let's be honest...the majority of the Islamic world really dislikes the West in general, no matter if they are radical fundamentalists or our "allies".  People from Egypt and more recently in Libya have been accusing those dictators for years of being "puppets" of the CIA or the West.  We only wanted to be friends with Kaddafy because BP and U.S. Oil stood to profit from the recent Multi-Billion $ trade deals.  Egypt actually was a useful partner for peace with Israel and good trading partner.  But at the cost of Mubarek's oppressive rule and iron fist of tyranny.

#22: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: MajorFrank PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:57 pm
FYI, at the moment I'm reading about WW2 in North Africa, Vichy France, Italy and Germany against the Brits and Americans. Interesting how that region kind of favours the defender, Gaddafi is 'doing a Rommel'.  Wink

#23: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: Panzermayer PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:50 pm
dj wrote (View Post):
The Libya situation is a load of bullcrap.  Several years ago President Bush lifted sanctions and conducted multi-billion $ oil deal for his Big Oil constituents.  Despite the fact Colonel Kadafy is a terrorist responsible for the Lockerbie incident.  2 years ago Conservative American Senators Graham and McCain met with Kadafy in person and praised him as good guy and partner against terrorism.  Wikileaks recently exposed these frauds - with comments how they promised Kadafy free military equipment and C130 aircraft as favor for his "partnership".  Which had not crap about real was simply about making $ for the industrial lobbyist donors.  How totally disingenuous of these Senators...whom first praised Kadify as partner on behalf of their Big $ political donors....then AFTER the Libyan rebellion, now all of sudden pretend they do not like Kadafy.

Let's not kid ourselves, it's all about the $.  It's never about "the people" or human rights unless the Corporatists can get $ out of the deal.  British Petreleum and American Oil did huge deals with Kadafy and then he was our friend.  Then the west pretends he is bad guy when Kadafy is politically out of favor.  Not much different than the Iraq situation under Hussein in many respects.

Its about the oil.

#24: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: CC_CO PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:35 pm
The Dogs Of War - see link - 6:28


Why the hell didn't you call me as soon as you got back

I was busy, you got the money? no, no don't take your coat off

Here that's for you

What does it mean, can Kimba be replaced?

Read the report

Is there any chance of a coup?

No not now, he don't trust his own army, rations on bullets...he's crazy, see, so unless there is some kind of guerilla army building up outside Zangara I don't know about, forget it!

The people I represent wont do business with a madman, he obviously gotta go

What did you say?

Could a well trained, well-equipped mercenary force succeed?

Succeed, at what?

Replacing Kimba

What did you find over there, oil, diamonds?

Could it succeed?

Sure why not?



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#25: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: CC_CO PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:22 pm
With the risk of spamming, I thought the lyrics from THE DOGS OF WAR has their place in this thread. They don't make movies like this any more.

Old lyrics from an old motion picture, using an old story, that still to this day keep repeating it self.  


--- 03:49 ---

Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries (XXXVI)

THESE, in the day when heaven was falling

The hour when earth's foundations fled,

Followed their?   mercenary calling,

And took their wages, and are dead.

Their shoulders held the sky suspended;

They stood, and earth's foundations stay;

What God abandoned, these defended,

And saved the sum of things for pay.

A.E. Housman


Casualties of the Libyan civil war

Overall deaths

In the end, according to the numbers presented, a total of 13,532 to 17,502 deaths have been reported, of which some have not been independently confirmed, and 4,000 people[2] have been reported as missing.

Libya: Libyan Oil Firms Get more Autonomy to Become Economically Successful

23/03/2012 21:54:00

#26: Re: Is Libya a War? Author: CC_CO PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:23 pm
double post

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