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#1: Newbie looking for input Author: pathojake,

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:13 pm
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Hi there. I recently came across the Close Combat series and have been fascinated by it, watching LP videos on youtube and lurking the forums etc. I tried to torrent a title but I was only successful with CCM 3.1, and I'm having lots of fun with it. Anyway, I'm looking to buy one of the Matrix remakes and from what I've seen on these forums there appear to be some big differences between some of the titles. I was hoping to get some reccomendations as far as which title I should buy first. How do some of the titles differ from the others? Which are your personal favorites?

Thanks.

#2: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Stwa,

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:51 am
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First off, I could not really recommend CCMT, until the day that I upload some of my mods, which will probably be never.

That leaves COI, WAR, TLD, and LSA.

I will let some of the others chime in if they want, but if you don't want something that looks and feels like a mod, that basically rules out WAR and TLD.

Then, if you don't really like antique interfaces CC3/COI or care for the Eastern Front WW2, then that leaves LSA.

LSA doesn't look like a mod, but its several revisions in at this point, and the more they keep messin with CC, the worse it gets. That is my take on the state of CC re-releases.

#3: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:59 am
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Of CC re-releases TLD is probably the best bet right now.

COI - is a series of operations on the Eastern Front like CC3 but has limited changes from it
WAR - follows a single battle and takes CC4/CC5 improving upon it by fixing bugs and adding a few features; BG can't move without fuel, BG's can be forced to retreat, etc.
TLD - follows a single battle and takes WAR improving upon it by adding a few features; random entry VL for paratroopers, night battles, etc.
LSA - follows a single battle and takes TLD improving upon it by adding the most new features; blowing bridges, BG stacking, ability for troops to run under a bridge and on a bridge, ability to set specific entry VL's for BG's in the scenario editor for a single battle, etc. . Probably will become the best CC with another patch...

#4: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 10:36 pm
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Moved to train wrecks....

#5: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:35 am
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Of CC re-releases TLD is probably the best bet right now.

COI - is a series of operations on the Eastern Front like CC3 but has limited changes from it
WAR - follows a single battle and takes CC4/CC5 improving upon it by fixing bugs and adding a few features; BG can't move without fuel, BG's can be forced to retreat, etc.
TLD - follows a single battle and takes WAR improving upon it by adding a few features; random entry VL for paratroopers, night battles, etc.
LSA - follows a single battle and takes TLD improving upon it by adding the most new features; blowing bridges, BG stacking, ability for troops to run under a bridge and on a bridge, ability to set specific entry VL's for BG's in the scenario editor for a single battle, etc. . Probably will become the best CC with another patch...

Hehe, it's out of hand already Laughing

OK, I am going to just subtract from this quote what I feel like has either been under-stated, over-stated, not entirely accurate, not accurate at all, or things I just don't quite agree with, or new features I personally think are silly, and we will see what is left. Come on, it will be fun. Idea

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK on TEJSZD, MATRIX, OR ANY OTHER MEDIA PIRATE. Laughing

Of CC re-releases TLD
COI -
WAR - follows by fixing bugs and adding a few features; BG's can be forced to retreat.
TLD - follows.
LSA - follows by adding new features; ability for troops to run under a bridge and on a bridge.

#6: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:23 am
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a quote from Tejszd

The above quote, to me, is just a nice re-iteration of the marketing bullets, that followed, the planned (anticipated) revenue streams associated with the re-releases themselves.

No one, except perhaps Matrix and their accountants really know for sure, just what sales or profit was realized in the course of these productions.

But just a cursory glance at the commentary above, reveals to me the original strategy, and the current talking points, that any good salesperson would apply today (right now), to capture additonal sales for the series.

#7: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: ArmeeGruppeSud,

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:57 am
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pathojake wrote (View Post):

Hi there. I recently came across the Close Combat series and have been fascinated by it, watching LP videos on youtube and lurking the forums etc. I tried to torrent a title but I was only successful with CCM 3.1, and I'm having lots of fun with it. Anyway, I'm looking to buy one of the Matrix remakes and from what I've seen on these forums there appear to be some big differences between some of the titles. I was hoping to get some reccomendations as far as which title I should buy first. How do some of the titles differ from the others? Which are your personal favorites?

Thanks.

G'day M8

If you want command a company of soldiers and and command your troops through numerous battles, keeping track of your men, seeing heroes emerge among them, some of whom get promoted....
If you want to be able to fight through campaigns in many theatres of WW2, WW1, Vietnam and others............
If you want to play on many different battle maps (without the tedium of fighting endless battles , back and forth on the same maps, over and over and over again)..........

Then CC3/COI is the game for you!

There are dozens of mods you can install for CC3/COI and literally hundreds of maps.

If close combat is not what you want and you want to command units at a divisional level, then play Panzer General or something like that

Razz

<<<< pokes toungue out at CC4/CC5 addicts Very Happy

cheers

AGS

_____

#8: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:33 am
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Moved to train wrecks.... Wink

THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON TEJSZD, MATRIX, OR ANY OTHER MEDIA PIRATE. Laughing

#9: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:37 am
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It turns out that Tejszd forgot to disclose the true state of the remakes, I’m sure Tejszd would wanted to include this to:

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

If they do a new CC game, before fixing the previous releases, then people should just post in that game's forum that your not buying it until Matrix fixes the last CC game(s).

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Unfortunately I do not understand why it is taking so long and fear the longer it takes that it might be moving from when to if another patch is released....

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

I have also been upfront that the last TLD/WAR patch while positively adding the new vehicle pathing (..) [the patch] broke campaigns/operations as they can get corrupted.

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Hopefully they can be motivated/shamed into some more patches given the current state of re-releases. But we all are just not hearing or seeing anything from them.

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Ultimately Matrix determines what does or doesn't happen as far as patching goes or even new CC games.

Tejszd at Matrix games wrote (View Post):

It amazing that these items which are core to playing a campaign or operation in the game have not been dealt with. LSA really can only be played for single battles with these bugs.....

Tejszd at Matrix games wrote (View Post):

And TLD? As it WAR have the same campaign/operation saved game corruption problem....

Link to the last 2 qoutes, (at matrix).

You can fined more of Tejszd true thoughts about the CC-remakes here:
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=63306#63306

Now, I do hope Stwa dont claim copyright on that disclaimer, but I take a chance here and borrow it from him:
THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON TEJSZD, MATRIX, OR ANY OTHER MEDIA PIRATE.

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Last edited by AT_Stalky on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:12 pm; edited 1 time in total

#10: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: US_Brake, Location: USA

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:25 am
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Quote:

ArmeeGruppeSud knows what he is talking about. Take notes, scrubs.

#11: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:54 pm
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You believe CC5 with its bugs is best and recommend it. I believe TLD/WAR with the bugs they have are the best CC and recommend them. Looks and sounds like a double standard on your part as you can do something which you say I can't.

I do not profit in any way from Matrix sales. I volunteered to help test so that I could argue for features I think would improve the game and or want for use in my mod.

I still believe LSA will probably be the best CC, Cathartes thinks this to as he is moving GJS to it, but with the current bugs for me it currently falls behind TLD/WAR, which I'm moving the Meuse mod to. Thus my recommendation for people to get TLD now and LSA later when it gets patched. Even with the current bugs they are a better platform for future CC mods than CC5 with its bugs. The advantage CC5 has right now are the mods already done...

What I said to pathojake is accurate and still would be my recommendation.

#12: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:55 pm
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I almost made a mistake and replayed here, but you probable will just have me sent to the train wreck thread again, so to save time I answered there;
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7017&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=420

#13: Re: Newbie looking for input Author: Stwa,

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 11:55 am
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

...Thus my recommendation for people to get TLD now and LSA later when it gets patched...

[SLAPS FOREHEAD]

Why didn't I think of that. Idea

Why buy one buggy game, when you can buy two. Idea

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