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#1: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:06 pm
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Hi to everyone.

My name is Antonio, I am from Spain and I am new in the forum.

I have played for a long years (and I am still playing it) Close Combat 5.

Some days ago I have finished my first mod of a mod Ebro 3.0 (Thanks to Nomada Firefox and his team for made this mod).

I have changed the data (fpools, geteams, alsteams, soldiers and weapons) and the graphics to made a more realistic mod.

All the units have been changed with less units according to their size (Brigades, Banderas, Division) and more bolt action rifles and less automatic weapons and almosto no tanks, as the real Battle.

I' ve added too Artillery Observateur to made indirec fire because the Artillery had a huge importance during the battle.

Next post you can see images of the visual changes.

You can download this mod at:

I have deleted the link because of Nomada Firefox, if anyone desires this submod, send me a PM and I will give the link

Only copy and paste where you have installed CCV Ebro 2.0

Note, Only Veteran VS. Veteran

Last edited by terciooriamendi on Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:13 pm; edited 2 times in total

#2: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:12 pm
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Some images.

I've changed the red star for a Republican Flag (more apropiated) ad the Eagle for a correct National Flag.

Also, the changes are in the maps.

#3: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:14 pm
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I have also the music file changing the erroneous song (it was about Battle of Madrid) for a Republican song about the Ebro Cross.

You can ear it, here

Link

#4: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:29 pm
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An these are some pics of more changes.

Ifni send me his files about real moors (the colonial troops of national army). I have changed the soldiers colour, and these are some pics about it, their sodiers icons and the change of the units. The moors are organizated in Tabores. (1 Tabor = 1 Bataillon)

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/849/uo0012c.jpg/[/img]

[img]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/uo0010e.jpg/[/img]

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#5: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:32 pm
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The are my dear Requetés:

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#6: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:35 pm
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And the are more National Troops.

Note that Requetés had their rank in their beret and the National Troops in their caps (Gorrillos)

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#7: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:37 pm
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Soon more pics.

Yo will tell me if you like this mod.

Saludos Very Happy

#8: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:37 am
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Thank you terciooriamendi !!!

And thank you Nomada Firefox for the original mod!!!

#9: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:41 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

And thank you Nomada Firefox for the original mod!!!

Sorry but I have not autorized this file and I go to delete it. I have been very clear on the past that I would not let this type of modification from my files.

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Yo will tell me if you like this mod.

You have stolen everything.

#10: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:15 pm
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Tejszd wrote (View Post):

Thank you terciooriamendi !!!

And thank you Nomada Firefox for the original mod!!!

Thanks to you and your superb mod Tejszd.

#11: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:27 pm
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Nomada_Firefox wrote (View Post):

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

And thank you Nomada Firefox for the original mod!!!

Sorry but I have not autorized this file and I go to delete it. I have been very clear on the past that I would not let this type of modification from my files.

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Yo will tell me if you like this mod.

You have stolen everything.

Have I stolen everything? I have made a submod for Ebro to be accurate with the History because of the lacks ot the original mod and I ve changed a lot of files to try to improve it wasting a lot of spare time.

I have deleted the link but I will share it with anyone who wants to play it.

And you? Have you permissions for all your mods of the authors, the owner of the photos,...?

I was thinking about this was a community to improve CC5 and its mods, but i see i am not right, and I also think its a shame to have mods and submods and not share them with the people or don`t let people to use them (Like CC5 Brunete or CC5 China Mods).

And I also think that it is a shame believe you are the only owner of Ebro without consider the other members of the team that made the mod.

#12: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Dima,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:50 pm
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Sorry but I have not autorized this file and I go to delete it. I have been very clear on the past that I would not let this type of modification from my files.

sorry to dissapoint you Firefox, but neither you nor other moder has a right for any CC file Wink

. Neither you have rights to delete anything that was not uploaded by you.
actually you should be grateful to Antonio that he supports the interest in your mod.

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You have stolen everything.

LOL - you are exactly the right person to say that :D

Antonio,

don't delete anything - just rename your mod as Historical sub mod for Ebro 2,0 (or something) and keep on your modding work Smile

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looking to see more pics of your submod.

#13: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:05 pm
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Sorry but you are wrong. I have the rights as creator from the Battle of Ebro 2.0 and he has edited my files. I do not know because I must be grateful when I do not like his changes.

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LOL - you are exactly the right person to say that Very Happy

Have I stolen anything? Always I have asked to the righ people and if they did not want share something, I did not ignore them.

If you go to support him, you are not better than him.

#14: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:03 pm
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terciooriamendi wrote (View Post):

You have edited my files without any authorization from me. If you want make your own mod, please start it from the begining.

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And you? Have you permissions for all your mods of the authors, the owner of the photos,...?

Yes and many of the stuff was freeware. But all joined on a mod is from me.

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I was thinking about this was a community to improve CC5 and its mods, but i see i am not right, and I also think its a shame to have mods and submods and not share them with the people or don`t let people to use them (Like CC5 Brunete or CC5 China Mods).

When you make it without any respect to the creators decisions, it is usual that people as me do not accept it.

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And I also think that it is a shame believe you are the only owner of Ebro without consider the other members of the team that made the mod.

Do not let the edition from the files was a decision from all members. But if you think that it is a shame, I have not more that speak with you because obviously you do not respect nothing of these common rules between modders and sure that you do not know nothing about work on a team. I´m the team leader from Ebro mod and I have joined everything on a single piece, more of 3 years of hard work.

The most funny from all this is how you critic my decision and rights but you himself have taken credits and rights from the edited files. I would not be surprise if I edit your own files and you would be disturbed as me.

#15: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: terciooriamendi,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:11 pm
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Firefox:

You like as the owner and the only creator of original Close Combat V and all their mods.

But I don`t want to argue, I am new here and I only desired to share with this community my first variation of this game.

I will not post anything about it but if someone wants this submod, that sends me a PM and I'll send the link to download it.

Bye.

Dima:

Thanks for your support.

#16: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: mooxe,

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:34 pm
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The arguement of "you need permission to mod a mod" never holds up. Is anyone here asking the permission of Matrix Games or Atomic from back in the day to mod? No. The precedent has been set for 14 years now.

It is polite to ask to mod someone elses files, its a matter of courtesy only, not a matter of permission.

#17: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Stwa,

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:46 am
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I agree with mooxe.

But that doesn't mean a person shouldn't hold ones self to the higher standard, and actually obtain permission for use, from the original author(s), and if no such permission can be obtained, you should respect their wishes and not upload.

We are clearly dealing with mods, not original stuff from the producers, as mooxe pointed out.

If modders do not honor this code, and they mostly have in the past, then you could simply download years of work from a modder, make a few "improvements", and re-upload them or post them on another site. Idea

Not exactly an ideal situation from any angle. Confused

#18: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Stwa,

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 1:58 am
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As an example,

I worked on a set of RETRO maps for CCMT, where the material was derived from other authors whose work was uploaded here at CCS, mainly in the CC3 map area. Idea

Anyway after messin with these for a while, I wanted to upload them, but I could not locate any of the authors. Sad

Then, I tried to get someone active here at this site to take responsibility for the maps (and upload them to CCS). Idea

But I could not find any one that was willing to do that either. Confused

Since, I really did not intend to use these maps myself, I eventually deleted them all, and chalked it up to experience. Idea

#19: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:24 am
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terciooriamendi,

It is a courtesy to ask permission. Also like Dima said if you make a sub mod instead of an update to an existing mod it causes less conflict (though that isn't always a guarantee that someone will not get upset).

Another possible solution is to go through the changes with Firefox as he may agree with them, he may also have some he has made, and maybe there could be an official update that incorporates both sets of changes.

It is good to have another mod maker around so do not let this stop you from modding CC....

Last edited by Tejszd on Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:03 am; edited 1 time in total

#20: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: mooxe,

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:20 am
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Stwa wrote (View Post):

If modders do not honor this code, and they mostly have in the past, then you could simply download years of work from a modder, make a few "improvements", and re-upload them or post them on another site. Idea

That describes submods very well. On CCS, no mod is updated without the original author's consent. Any submod created is hosted in a separate section from the original mod to avoid any confusion. I also do my best to make sure the modder creates a readme.txt file detailing any credits and and changes.

#21: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:59 pm
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Is anyone here asking the permission of Matrix Games or Atomic from back in the day to mod?

Yes, I asked them when I wanted use some from their games and I have made the same with other games.

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We are clearly dealing with mods, not original stuff from the producers, as mooxe pointed out.

More reasons for respect the opinions from creators because they put their own free time and money on these mods. If you feel that this mod had not a price, you would be wrong because I lost more of one hard disk, programs as photoshop and more hardware, on 3 years can happen a lot of things.

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Another possible solution is to go through the changes with Firefox as he may agree with them, he may also have some he has made, and maybe there could be an official update that incorporates both sets of changes.

There is not solution because I agreed with all the creators from the mod do not let any change on it from other people without our personal thoughts. The unique guy who perhaps I let make it, he can be Dak_Legion, because he has respected my opinions and always he has asked me.

If terciooriamendi wants a Ebro mod, he can makes his own Ebro mod but only starting from the begining, I do not go to share nothing from my Battle of Ebro mod with him.

Dima can call me hypocrite but he is cynical because I have not published nothing without permissions.

#22: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: pagskier,

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:36 pm
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Too bad firefox don't want you to use the files
But keep it up we need more modders!! Very Happy

#23: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Desertmouse, Location: south of London

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 9:39 pm
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WOW - how petty is this getting , get a grip firefoxy he is only trying to make your mod perfect whats wrong with that.

#24: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:25 am
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Desertmouse wrote (View Post):

WOW - how petty is this getting , get a grip firefoxy he is only trying to make your mod perfect whats wrong with that.

Perfect for you, imperfect for me.

I must see that with your support to him, you are not helping, if this attitude continue, my future mods will add a password and I will release them only to my friends. No one creator will make a mod if it can be stolen.

#25: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: thumb,

Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:04 am
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mooxe wrote (View Post):

Is anyone here asking the permission of Matrix Games or Atomic from back in the day to mod?

'nuff said. KZ was still frosted about the implication of "Real" Red years after the mod was released.

#26: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:13 am
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thumb wrote (View Post):

mooxe wrote (View Post):

Is anyone here asking the permission of Matrix Games or Atomic from back in the day to mod?

'nuff said. KZ was still frosted about the implication of "Real" Red years after the mod was released.

Only a few lines.

KZ was not Atomic games, he was only one member from the team giving a opinion. If Atomic Games at 100% had prohibited the mods, nobody had made one, Sulla had not promoted the CSO site and there had not been a complete site from SSI with CC mods. All the other are only dreams from people ignoring these things.......which probably they do not remember the SSI zone. I remember very well it and never I saw nothing about if the mods were ilegal.

The unique matter is how all mods are from the company which it has sold the game.

#27: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: thumb,

Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:24 pm
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Nomada_Firefox wrote (View Post):

KZ was not Atomic games, he was only one member from the team giving a opinion.

Keith Zabalaoui was the founder, owner and CEO of Atomic Games from 1989 until 2005.

#28: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Nomada_Firefox,

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:14 am
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thumb wrote (View Post):

Nomada_Firefox wrote (View Post):

KZ was not Atomic games, he was only one member from the team giving a opinion.

Keith Zabalaoui was the founder, owner and CEO of Atomic Games from 1989 until 2005.

Yes, from Atomic games but the games are not from Atomic games when they were sold to the publisher companies.

This is the reason because his opinion about mods never entered on action.

#29: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Stwa,

Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:46 am
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Nomada_Firefox wrote (View Post):

... if this attitude continue, my future mods will add a password and I will release them only to my friends. No one creator will make a mod if it can be stolen.

No doubt mods have been stolen/lifted/ripped/etc. in the past. It's the modern parlence of cloning anything digital.

And me thinks Firefox, could be a living example, of the thanks and respect one can expect for putting in a ton of time creating an uploading mods. Maybe the Rodney Dangerfield syndrome. Wink

Today, with the lame re-released titles, there is a very thin line between modder and developer.

It all seems kinda fucked up, when you think about it too much. Better to mod for yourself, and just skip the uploads and trying to suck some cash off Matrix. There are better ways to make money, me thinks. Idea

#30: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: tripwire, Location: Florida - USA

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:21 am
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terciooriamendi,

Thank you for your time and efforts in making a realism sub-mod for the Battle of Ebro mod by Nomada_Firefox.

Also.... a hearty welcome to the Close Combat community!

#31: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Uberdave, Location: Kansas, USA

Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 2:43 pm
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I welcome anyone that actually improves upon the arbitary bullshit that Nomada calls a 'mod'. Seriously, this guy has been a joke in the CC modding community for almost 15 years now. If anyone hasn't figured that out on their own, then now they know.

Newbies don't know it, so they bow to his narcissism. His "mods" largely suck. He acts as if he owns the content, when all he did was edit it (and poorly, at that). Has a poor understanding of not only English, but laws and regulations covering software and the concept of 'freeware'.

Twisted Evil

#32: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: hectorelgomez,

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:55 pm
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Hi guys.

Someone has any information about development status of this new mods?

Thanks a lot.

#33: Re: Ebro 3.0 Author: Doramas,

Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 7:20 pm
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Nomada_Firefox wrote (View Post):

Tejszd wrote (View Post):

And thank you Nomada Firefox for the original mod!!!

Sorry but I have not autorized this file and I go to delete it. I have been very clear on the past that I would not let this type of modification from my files.

Quote:

Yo will tell me if you like this mod.

You have stolen everything.

Many worked to make a mod of the Spanish civil war, some from CC3. Descendants and relatives of international brigade members. Others of us did what we could. And many others gave it a tremendous boost with map graphics. The good thing is that there is still participation.

#34: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Sapa,

Posted: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:26 am
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When i see this i had to make one of my rare visits to this site lately Razz

Mr Nomada Firefox...i understand some of your points but not all...you cant really say that all of your used modmaterial is from yourself and from people that has promised you to use it???

When you put things on the World Wide Web and people like it..of course they will try it! If i talk about myself i see it as an honour Smile

When you modded the last Close Combat shit "The Bloody First" you made it and put it on Matrix Forums...shouldt anyone use it?

Play your mods on your own or with your private friends thats allright but dont make any advertising online Shocked

Have a nive new Year 2022

Regards Mats

#35: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: dj,

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:48 am
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wow what a blast from the past.

Sapa - still rumours of you making new version of your Berlin mod? Smile

#36: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Sapa,

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:08 am
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No sorry, that must be a very strange rumour and its not true ????

Regards Mats

#37: Re: Historical Submod for Ebro 2.0 Author: Sapa,

Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:08 am
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No sorry, that must be a very strange rumour and its not true
Wink

Regards Mats

Sorry for the doublepost!

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