davidssfx wrote (View Post): | ||
decided to post again :) John 8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.” |
dj wrote (View Post): |
I personally can care less about a person's religious, political views or especially their Sexual beliefs. All these issues are Wedge topics used to indoctrinate people and justify political support or agendas of Hate. Actual both the Left and Right wings are obsessed over these issues. Nobody cares. Most people just want to be left alone and not have the Govt dictate what we have to believe or what we want to do as individuals. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
As I said David, you need to be a sorcerer to make something benign out of the Bible gay hate text. So, lets hope you did not succeed, or you would draw Gods hate on your self. U know, he hates sorcerers.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
He don’t say “go now and live your life in sin”… does he?
He say she should leave here life of sin and she be forgiven… |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Are you not afraid to anger him? |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
We have arrived at this point in time from the past and unfortunately there are many institutions in our societies that are very outdated, mainly the religions. So far we haven't done away with these religions. It is time to do so, otherwise we will not develop as a society and as a species. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
The woman being forgiven is not dependent on her leaving her life of sin. Jesus said, “Then neither do I condemn you,” |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
you were correct until you added these extra words ... "and she be forgiven…" |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
If she continued living a sinful life ... then she would require further forgiveness. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
The problem though, of living a sinful life is ... it can be systemic, self perpetuating, blinding. The Bible teaches that the wages of sin is death. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
remember, if you divorce, you go straight to hell! |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
I'll just leave these here.
Ta ta, MF] |
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dj wrote (View Post): |
There is a very large Church down the way from me which is famous in U.S. On paper they seem reasonable, not appearing to be a radical fundamentalist denomination. However the Pastor made headline news when it was discovered that he along with his staff supported a Dictatorship in Africa that openly advocated State-sanctioned Murder of Gays. The Pastor came-up with all sorts of creative justifications but in the end there was proof he along with his Political allies provided support, met in face-to-face meetings and even encouraged this type of Gestapo-like policy.
Yes the militant Islams are known to pitch radical beliefs. Are these fundamentalists any different than many of the radical fundamentalist "Christian" groups in the West? I don't think so. We even call these radical Right-Wing groups that advocate violence towards Gays or even Liberals the American Talibans. Make no mistake there is a huge contingent of these groups...I call them Cults...that are virtually the same as the Radical Muslim groups. How dare they even call themselves Christians...they don't deserve that honor. Or what about the Nuts that show-up at our own Military funerals with signs stating Soldiers deserve to die because we have Gays in our country? Make no mistake we have plenty of our own Fruit Loop pyschopath's in the West that masquerade as religious groups. |
southern_land wrote (View Post): |
John 8
1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and LIVE your life of sin.” one word mistranslated from ancient Aramayic and the whoe scene takes on a different hue |
Blackstump wrote (View Post): |
From memory the passage is "go and sin no more". At least in the King James version of the fable.
Of course the " let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" passage would infer that those who would, would have broken the law, as it wasnt Roman law that adultery was punishable by death. So they would have been charged with murder, much as our laws are now, and thank god for that(excuse the pun). |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
The litteral translation (Youngs Litteral Bible) is:
John 8: and she said, `No one, Sir;' and Jesus said to her, `Neither do I pass sentence on thee; be going on, and no more sin.' |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
I think that people should do more to fight the religion that is prevalent in their own region. We have arrived at this point in time from the past and unfortunately there are many institutions in our societies that are very outdated, mainly the religions. So far we haven't done away with these religions. It is time to do so, otherwise we will not develop as a society and as a species. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
It is time to do so, otherwise we will not develop as a society and as a species. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
It is time to do so, otherwise we will not develop as .. a species. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
Since this thread has long since degenerated into a slugfest between 'religion' and 'non-religion' |
Blackstump wrote (View Post): |
From memory the passage is "go and sin no more". At least in the King James version of the fable.
Of course the " let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" passage would infer that those who would, would have broken the law, as it wasnt Roman law that adultery was punishable by death. So they would have been charged with murder, much as our laws are now, and thank god for that(excuse the pun). |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
We have arrived at this point in time from the past and unfortunately there are many institutions in our societies that are very outdated, mainly the religions. So far we haven't done away with these religions. It is time to do so, otherwise we will not develop as a society and as a species. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
Perhaps you should read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn ... there are some interesting insights about how humans behave in conditions you claim to desire
And it all happened less than a hundred years ago! |
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