davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
Perhaps you should read "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn ... there are some interesting insights about how humans behave in conditions you claim to desire And it all happened less than a hundred years ago! |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Thats what you mean, right.. Human behaves bad without the Christian Church seem to be your main driving point here David… Right? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Are you implying that the GULAG was a result of a state without Church? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
To sum this up: The GULAG was created by a christan Tsar |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
AGS,
as for the Nazis, they were very religious. They used the Christian church, that in turn helped the Nazis. The Nazis also had their own religion, based on Germanic legends etc. crap. |
Blackstump wrote (View Post): |
Yes i have to agree with Stalky here and this and many more atrocities committed by Christian men is the reason i turn my back to it. |
Blackstump wrote (View Post): |
Sorry AGS but i have studied Christian religion and the whiff of corruption has still not left my nose. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
AT_STALKY, do you presume that the Tsar was a genuine Christian? What evidence do you have that this particular Tsar was actually a genuine Christian? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Don't think David is implying that...... David, i believe, was making another point which you may have overlooked |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
What evidence do you have that this particular Tsar was actually a genuine Christian? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Human behaves bad without the Christian Church seem to be your main driving point here David… Right? |
Blackstump wrote (View Post): |
Yes i have to agree with Stalky here and this and many more atrocities committed by Christian men is the reason i turn my back to it. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
I thought he might want to see what his idea about doing away religions (which I assume includes Christianity) might look like if there was a similar previous attempt in history. I'm not sure if MajorFrank has any ideas about how to develop this society, but some countries have tried by means of State Atheism.. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
I doubt it's possible to establish a direct factual cause and effect relationship of a society under state atheism and the behavior of its population ... but perhaps knowing the depth of depravity and social injustice present in such a society is enough to, at least, make us wonder why. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
society under state atheism and the behavior of its population ... but perhaps knowing the depth of depravity and social injustice present in such a society |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
If you're interested, read the book and decide for yourself |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): | ||
The Nazis were religiously ANT-CHRISTIAN and ANTI-RELIGIOUS The only bit that you had right in your post was They used the Christian church as a means of decieving and manipulating the people The Nazis were TOTALLY ATHEISTIC in their thinking and their world view. This has been fully covered earlier in this thread, go back and read it again. So you have not only failed, but also made a complete fool out of yourself yet again. AGS . |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
David, did you deliberate avoid the rest of the information in my post?
You point to a inhuman actions done by the Soviet state as an example of what happens when humanity do away with the church… or religion.. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
Like it or not, the Soviet state is an example of what happens when humanity does away with the church, or religion ... because the Soviet state was operated by state atheism ... that is fact. |
davidssfx wrote (View Post): |
What direct effect the removal of religion (and the new communist/atheist teaching that replaced it) had on people is impossible to know ... |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Develope as a state and spicies that dont mix with having slaves and inhumane systems.. Thats what you mean, right.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Human behaves bad without the Christian Church seem to be your main driving point here David… Right? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Are you implying that the GULAG was a result of a state without Church? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Did you know that Stalin amongst many others of the leading figures in the Soviet state was in the GULAGS them selves? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
So your theory fails here David. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
If there’s a church there should not be any repressive regimes that are making slaves of the population… Right… |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Did you know that the Christian Tsar and the church allowed surfdom in Georgia just 7 years before Stalin was born! !!! |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Your own country, the USA… |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Allowed slaves less than 150 years ago.. Was there no church in USA? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Open your eyes David.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
So your theory fails yet again and again and.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
So, doesnt that fact in it self tell you that the system was not a product of atheism |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Btw, how about the native Americans, what would they feel? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Open your eyes.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
David, did you deliberate avoid the rest of the information in my post? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
These and many more grim actions was the everyday life in utopian Christian states that you fiend so benign and humane..
Yet your blind eyes sees only the Soviet GULAGs as a hideous example of what happens when the a state separates from the church… |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
But its a novel..
He said that some 50 millions passed the camps, but modern reserch from archives indicates that it was very exagurated.. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Its also a FACT that the Swedish democracy operates under non religious forms! We also seperated the state and church.. So have many nations.... Where are the Swedish GULAGs etc? |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
What service do you belive they recived?) |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
But im not operation under a double standard… If you call one bad, and another does the same or worst you should call em bad to. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
If this behaviour against prisoners can develop in 2005? by educated Americans from a land where most people testifies to be Christians…. Why cant similar things happen in Soviet GULAGs in 1945? |
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