MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
well chessmaster hasn't been in this thread since several pages ago, however you're still going on in full 'anti-multiculture' bs - mode. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
, however you're still going on in full 'anti-multiculture' bs - mode. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I'm Catholic, actually. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
No, I expect you not to display anti-Islamic tendencies. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
So, let's see...you think it's okay for you to do it, because other people have done it? |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
The Vatican also helped in the running of concentration camps and in the escape of the Nazis at the end of the war. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I'm C |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
The reason your statements really get me is that I'm Filipino. We Catholic Filipinos must be so thankful to the Spanish for colonizing us, Christianizing us, and civilizing us. Lord knows, if in some alternate history my distant animist ancestors hadn't been converted to Christianity,we would probably have been converted to Islam, |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
and we would now have you making your self-righteous proclamations on the evils of "Islamic nations" such as ours.? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I refer you now to your statements on Indonesia in one of your previous comments, where for no reason at all you had to mention that Indonesia is an Islamic nation. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Now, the Indonesian people are very closely related, genetically, ethnically and linguistically, to Filipinos. (We are both Austronesian peoples.) |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Religion is one of the only differences. The fact that we were converted to Christianity (many unwillingly, I'm sure) by the Spaniards is the only thing keeping you from passing almighty judgment on us the way you did with Indonesia. How interesting. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Not to mention your signature. Seriously, this thread has become so important to you that it's now in your sig? |
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???????
And what, pray tell, are my views on aboriginals? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
And I quote:? |
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Guess you must be koori, because, in this matter, i am reading a moral superiority, between the lines, or are you just as evil as my ancestors?
But your comments are irrevelent as i have never been an immigrant, i was born here and am as Australian as the dirt beneath my feet. (remember even the Koori were immigrants 40,000 years ago if you believe the guestimates of science). |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
In the likely event that you will need help figuring out what's wrong with your statement, please ask. I will be glad to assist you. |
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AT_Stalk and MF are only attacking Christianity because it is the largest and most influential religion in their resepctive countries.
If these 2 atheists lived in Indonesia, Iran, Afganistan, or Pakistan, i am prety sure their main target would be Islam. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Maybe. Or maybe not. That's all hypothetical. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Anyway, they don't need to attack Islam here because there isn't a Muslim fanatic on this thread, only a Christian one. |
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Is it better (safer/more welcoming) to be a Christian in an Islamic country, or a Muslim in a Christian country? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It can't be very welcoming if it's people like you who are going to be doing the welcoming... |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
We keep making this point, Christians are sinners too, we don't think we are better, we admit we are imperfect |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Could have fooled me. You sure do act like you think you're better. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
This is what I always see in arguments like this. Someone will say that they don't like how Christians think they're better than others. A Christian will pop in and say that no, we Christians don't think we're better than you. But many Christians do act like they're better than others. That's the whole point. Or if not they themselves being better, their religion is better. To other people it comes across as the same thing." |
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we recognise our need for forgiveness, reconcilliation and sanctification with God's help. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
And what about the people who haven't recognized their "need for forgiveness, reconciliation and sanctification with God's help"?. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Even if you say you are a sinner like everyone else, you're still "better" than others because you recognize your "need for forgiveness with God's help" and they don't. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
David, I have no more time for this. But one last note. Don’t bother look at the hidden stuff if your not into probabilities and stuff like that..
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Should i just let these atheists malign and villify Christianity unabatedly, should i let falsehoods go uncontested. Look LoneRebel, i am fully prepared to admit that i am not the most virtuous ambasador for Christ here. MF_Church and Davidssfx are much better men than i When atheists launch their scathing attacks, i suffer a full blown attack of Romans 7! The truth must be defended...... .....especially when people's eternal souls are at stake But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, (1 Pet 3:15) Admtedly, i dont do it as lovingly as i should
They need to hear the Gospel so that they may be saved For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? "(Rom 10:12-14)
Not i! It was God's Holy Spirit who gets the credit for convicting me of my need for forgiveness All the Glory is God's CHEERS AGS . |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): | ||||
As usual you are very consistant in making statements that are incorrect/wrong Firstly, yes, chessmaster has not posted since page 6 or 7. This does not mean that chessmaster is not reading this thread and therefore is still able to rejoin the conversation, if he so chooses. Are you still there chessmaster? If you were astute enough to read back (doubtful), you would know that chessmaster made points about the generally peaceful nature of Islam and that the hardcore islamic extremists are a tiny minority et cetera. In response, i affirmed chessmaster's view. Those who accuse me of making the kind of attacks on Islam, that you (MF) and Stalky, are making on Christianity, are just faster with their keyboards than they are with their reading comprehension and may need remedial help. A pertinent, or astute reader will notice that my criticisms are aimed at only a minority of Muslims who cause trouble.
In total contrast to your rabid rantings, i am not in "full 'anti-multiculture' bs - mode". This is simply yet another of your delusions that continuingly seem to fill your mind with BS As an Australian, in a multicultural friendly nation (unlike Finland), I am not only accepting of multiculturalism, but i embrace it So much so, that i married an asian woman How anti-multicultural is that? My very own home is multicultural! So who is talking B.S..............., you are MF This morning, i was grieved to hear of the recently arriving Hazara boat people not being allowed to be processed in Australia. In a previous post (either you did not read it, or you deliberately deleted it from your selective memory), I made a point of expressing that the Hazara Muslims, from Afganistan, were very welcome here as asylum seeker refugees. Especially as the are genuinely a persecuted people and that they also assimilate better into Australia, than most, or nearly all other Muslim peoples. MajorFrank, it is your BS that continuingly misrepresents my position. Your credibility just went down yet another notch CHEERS AGS . |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
you know about credibility. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
@ LoneRebel
Magandang gabi kuya Balikbayan ako, dahil aking asawa ay Pilipina Saan ka sa Pinas? |
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Do you actually believe in God and recognise Jesus as the son of God who died to pay the penalty of the sin of humanity?
or Are you a Pseudo-Catholic? |
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Do you expect me then to display pro-Islamic tendencies, or do you expect me to display an apathetic attitude toward Islam? |
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That is your own misconception, or, a crude Strawman argument. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
The Vatican also helped in the running of concentration camps and in the escape of the Nazis at the end of the war. |
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So LoneRebel claims to be a Catholic who has no objection to people criticising Catholicism |
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Furthermore, LoneRebel is so terribly upset if AGS shows a disapproving attitude toward Islam, but at the same time, if AT_Stalky and MajorFrank show disapproving attitudes toward Islam, that is perfectly OK by LoneRebel (according to his silence). |
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LoneRebel , you claim to be a christian of the Catholic denomination. Why then do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. (Romans 14:10) Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers. (Galatians 6:10)
About Christians, Jesus said: Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (Mat 7:20) Not looking good LoneRebel |
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LoneRebel sounds more like an atheist siding with other religion-hating atheists ......
Or, a Muslim who hates Christians but does not mind atheists who reject his beliefs........ Or, maybe a Catholic who hates Protestants above all other beliefs, but who does not mind atheists rejecting his beliefs and villifying the Catholic Church |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
The reason your statements really get me is that I'm Filipino. We Catholic Filipinos must be so thankful to the Spanish for colonizing us, Christianizing us, and civilizing us. Lord knows, if in some alternate history my distant animist ancestors hadn't been converted to Christianity,we would probably have been converted to Islam, |
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So are you thankfull for that, or are you resentful? |
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So somehow you are taking this personally as a racist attack on Austonesians ? |
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The sig is there to remind AT_Stalky that i am still waiting for him to give my question a straight answer in the same manner as i answered his question.
When he makes his choice clear (1,2,3,4, or 5), i will remove the sig. Personally, i have had enough of Stalky's antics and will not answer any more of his questions until he makes his choice. |
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And yes, this thread is VERY important, especially when the fate of people's eternal souls is jeopardised by atheist propaganda.
Its importance, is of BIBLICAL proportions |
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Thankyou
Please enlighten me.... You may have misunderstood those statements which led you to wrong conclusions......... |
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Maybe you have only read my posts and not theirs........, it would seem so.... |
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The thread began with Christians being specifically singled out for attention from the very 1st post |
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Yet another irrational, atheist like piece of mamignant slander, i'm sure your christian hating atheist friends will be so proud of you... |
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Your Christian brotherly love for a fellow believer is most heartwarming LoneRebel..... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Manila. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I'm pretty sure I'm Catholic, as I put that on my Facebook account, and on every single government form I fill out. It's true that I lean towards a more universalist interpretation of religion (which, ironically enough, is what "catholic" means). |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
For lack of a better word, I prefer to believe in truth being present in all religions, not simply in one, as you seem to think. |
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Do you expect me then to display pro-Islamic tendencies, or do you expect me to display an apathetic attitude toward Islam? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Is the concept of respecting other religions, without necessarily agreeing with them, one that you understand? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I believe I have already mentioned that I have not read through the earlier posts. You must have missed it when I typed that? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
You seem to want there to be no debate, and for everyone to just believe that Christianity has been all goodness and light throughout history. |
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So LoneRebel claims to be a Catholic who has no objection to people criticising Catholicism |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
This is what I don't understand. According to you, for someone to be a good Catholic (or Baptist, for that matter), then, he should brook no criticism at all of his religion? Even if it's true? Is that what you're saying, AGS? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
This is a mindset that I find completely impossible to understand, but it is one shared by all too many people nowadays... |
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LoneRebel , you claim to be a christian of the Catholic denomination. Why then do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. (Romans 14:10) Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers. (Galatians 6:10)
About Christians, Jesus said: Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (Mat 7:20) Not looking good LoneRebel |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
AGS, the only person I see here judging others is you, unfortunately. "Judge not, lest you be judged..." |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
We Catholic Filipinos must be so thankful to the Spanish for colonizing us, Christianizing us, and civilizing us. Lord knows, if in some alternate history my distant animist ancestors hadn't been converted to Christianity,we would probably have been converted to Islam, |
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So are you thankfull for that, or are you resentful? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Do you think I should be thankful or resentful? Let me ask you first. |
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So somehow you are taking this personally as a racist attack on Austonesians ? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
The fact is that religion and race are intertwined. ............... Deny it all you want, but it's true. In the minds of whites, at least, race and religion are intertwined. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
As an example, take a look at all these right-wing anti-immigration pundits in Europe. Looking at what they say and write, they seem to use "Muslim" and "Arab" interchangeably. In their minds, there is no difference. They're all just brown or black people with strange beliefs and strange languages to be kept out of the white homeland at all costs. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Some of these pundits are a little smarter. They will deny that this is about race. They'll say they're not against Arabs or Africans, it's only Islam they dislike (as if that makes it any better). And yet they speak of continued immigration "swamping" Europe, and the "dilution" of the white race. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It's really funny because obviously Caucasians are going to be outnumbered when compared to the rest of humanity. No ethnicity on Earth is numerous enough to outnumber every other ethnicity put together.. |
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The sig is there to remind AT_Stalky that i am still waiting for him to give my question a straight answer in the same manner as i answered his question.
When he makes his choice clear (1,2,3,4, or 5), i will remove the sig. Personally, i have had enough of Stalky's antics and will not answer any more of his questions until he makes his choice. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Perhaps he is not answering because it's irrelevant? Has that occurred to you? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
We dont want/need islamic influene on our western (Christian) society. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Tell, me AT_Stalky, do you WANT, or NEED, islamic influence in your society?
This question is NOT Rhetorical!!!!!! Either you answer it, honestly, or you should never post in this thread again. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
AGS,
Can we call Martin Luther A) the father of the Protestant Church and the über-Führer of Nazy idiolegy, or is he better described as B) an anti-Semite?. |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
This is not a rhetorical question, (A), or (B)??
Either you answer it, honestly, or you should never post in this thread again. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
It could be assumed that, by "anti-Semite", the Stalker means: "anti-Jewish"...........
After careful consideration i will choose (C), |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Just kidding, i have Chosen (B), Martin Luther is better described as B) an anti-Semite?
Now i have earned the right to continue posting in this thread |
AT_Stalky wrote (View Post): |
Stwa… You successfully avoided answer any of my 6 questions. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
1) You can lie and say:
"Yes, i want/need islamic influence on Swedish society" By telling such a blatant lie you expose your total lack of integrity |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
2) Be honest and say: "No, i dont want, or need, islamic influence on Swedish society."
In which case you expose your hypocracy for berating me for writing it |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
3) Never post in thread again
Which, in itself, by default, would be an admission of your hypocracy and prove that you dont have the integrity to answer my question as i answered yours |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
4) contunue posting without answering.
Which proves that you dont have any inetegrity and that you are too ashamed to admit to your hypocracy. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
5) Apologise for your hypocracy and your barrage of attacks on my faith and myself
This choice would be the only option that would show that you have any integrity at all. |
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And yes, this thread is VERY important, especially when the fate of people's eternal souls is jeopardised by atheist propaganda.
Its importance, is of BIBLICAL proportions |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Maybe you should stop thinking that anyone's souls are being threatened by this discussion. And don't make yourself responsible for saving Stalky's and MajorFrank's souls, if that's what you're thinking. That might help. |
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Thankyou
Please enlighten me.... You may have misunderstood those statements which led you to wrong conclusions......... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
As much as I would like to believe that I'm misunderstanding you, I doubt it. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
First, you came to the conclusion that Blackstump must be koori simply because...what? Because of his remark about 7th Generation White Australians and not throwing stones?. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Then your statement implying that koori must have a feeling of moral superiority towards whites. Why would they have that? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Even if the Aborigines were immigrants themselves, it doesn't matter, as they were the first. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
In the end, the fact we can't get away from is that you may not be an "immigrant", but your ancestors were. And your ancestors mistreated the Aborigines and took their land away from them. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
This is a fact, but no one wants to talk about it, like the elephant in the closet. Oh well, it's not like we can have all whites in Australia go back to Europe, anyway. ... No one's asking for whites today to atone for the sins of their ancestors, but at least feel sorry about it..... |
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Maybe you have only read my posts and not theirs........, it would seem so.... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If they have "attacked" Islam as well, then shouldn't that make you feel better? It seems like nothing will satisfy people these days... |
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The thread began with Christians being specifically singled out for attention from the very 1st post |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
As I understand it, MF started this thread because he had banned on other forums by Christians. Not Muslims or whoever. Also Christianity is the largest religion in terms of adherents. Hence Christians being singled out. |
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Yet another irrational, atheist like piece of mamignant slander, i'm sure your christian hating atheist friends will be so proud of you... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Hey, I'm only telling it as I see it |
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Your Christian brotherly love for a fellow believer is most heartwarming LoneRebel..... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Why, thank you. Oh, was that sarcasm? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
You seem to believe that to show Christian love means to never disagree with your fellow believers. (provided of course that their opinions are in line with Christian dogma. If they are not, disagreeing with them is A-OK!) |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
The point which you [LoneRebel] have overlooked is that you berate ONLY ME, but, based on your complete silence, you appear to condone the numerous attacks on various religions, including Catholicism, by AT_Stalky and MajorFrank. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
What i could not undertsand was, if you [LoneRebel] had read MF's rants against Catholicism, why a Catholic would attack somebody for criticising Islam and not attack somebody else who criticised Catholicism. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
i am very critical of Catholicsm because it has been corrupted by human and pagan thinking. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
This unBiblical doctrine creates an abnormally high occurance of abnormal sexual behaviour amongst the Catholic Priesthood. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Don't talk to me about the Catholic Church, i am a Protestant. We Protestants Protest against the Catholic Church too |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Furthermore, 99% of children molested by priests and other outwardly religious people (within Christiandom) are victims of Catholic institutions |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
the roman (catholic) Church theology, teaching and practices became increasingly corrupted with paganism and false doctrines. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Even all of the worst atrocities of the Catholic church in 2000 years, combined, pales in comparisons to the crimes against humanity of of just one of the modern atheist monsters: [Stalin and Hitler] |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
The Catholic Church is not what Christianity is about, it has nothing to do with me or my faith and i have nothing to do with it. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Stalin and Nazi Germany under Hitler, each on their own, were responsible for more atrocities, deaths etc than 2000 years of the corrupt Catholic Church |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Being baptised as a catholic in infancy does not a christian make. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
If you [MajorFrank] have a problem with Catholicism, thats fine, so do i, we are on the same side (kind of) |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
The Catholic Church is not what Christianity is about, |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
So LoneRebel claims to be a Catholic who has no objection to people criticising Catholicism |
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