dj wrote (View Post): |
Not going to take the bait. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
We get it you don't like Muslim people that immigrate to your lands. |
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RATEPAYERS could be stung up to $45,000 to install curtains at a public pool so Muslim women can have privacy during a female-only exercise classes |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Which non-secular Western nation are you planning on moving to that mandates public schools pitch your particular religious denomination? |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Just curious because it has been oh...maybe a 100 years or so since a White man's land had State control over Church. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
How is that State-Controlled Religion working out for the Islamic Governments right now? . |
dj wrote (View Post): |
There is a reason why the Islamic World is in chaos and suffers from poverty, lack of education and violence...it is because they never have been able to implement a Secular Government, with the exception of Turkey.. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
There are several reasons why people are trying to get out of the 3rd world and it not just about religion. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
WHAT INFLUENCE? You meant the influence of those people immigrating into your communities. Stop trying to sugarcoat it. Secular Law works. Religious law does not. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
How many millions of Christian against Christian soldiers killed each other because they did not have the same denomination? |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): | ||
i am complaing about the fraudulent nature of many of these illegal immigrant boat people. Many of them are ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS who fraudulently claim to be persecuted refugees seeking asylum. Also, i am complaining about those Muslim immigrantss who want to change our culture, especially those who want to introduce Sharia Law and whose goal is to make Australia an Islamic state! We had a Muslim riot at the US embassy the other day because some yanks made an anti-Islamic film and several Australian policemen were injured. Christians......., no problem .[/align] |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Yes the "Christian" Fundamentalists aka American Taliban are just as Nuts as the Islam Fundamentalists. What is the difference? They both favor Sharia Law style rule, reject or mock Science, hate Jews or non-believers. Or like you said Stwa...they outright advocate violence or murder of non-believers or political dissidents that do not conform to their Religious ideology. I actually know someone here in my area that calls himself a "Christian" and told me "there will be blood" meaning exactly what you just said. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
There is virtually no difference between the "Christian" Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists in that they both advocate Rule of Law under Religious Ideology. They do not even want a Free Democracy. They want Government controlled Religious mandated law. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Translation: don't blame our Western Secular government system for the huge influx of Islam's into Anglo-Saxon neighborhoods. Blame the Corrupt Capitalistic system that controls our elected leaders with heaps of $$$, influence peddling and backroom deals. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
Big Corporations don't give a rat's azz about people or the interests of average citizens. They will slit our throats to make an extra penny for their greasy selfish paws and for their shareholders. We've been sold-out. It is the achilles heel of "Democracy". It is all about the $. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): | ||
Its good that you can refute yourself and agree with me. |
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To put it another way.
By an atheistic moral perspective, the swine flu has every right to wipe out humanity, if it can. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
And this is why your "joke" about the Aborigines having to leave Australia because other animals were there first utilizes incorrect reasoning. |
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INCORRECT
Remember we are talking about atheistic moral reasoning. |
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Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans.
It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If that happens, it means the microbe was too virulent, or our efforts to contain it were insufficient. Religion doesn't come into it at all. |
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CORRECT
The context of the hypothetical was atheism, so religion doesn't come into it at all |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If it does, it would mean that God didn't save us, just as he didn't save the 50-80 million people who died from the Black Death, or the 50-100 million who died from the Spanish flu. |
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Can't believe you would laugh about millions of people dieing from plagues etc. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
[quote]We dont want/need islamic influene on our western (Christian) society. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
But my point is, why did you say this in the first place? |
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the statement is true and i speak the truth |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It's true for you.? |
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And for millions of other Australians
Conservitively, i estimate about 90-95% would agree with that statement With the only people having the opposite opinion would be the muslims Think about it.......... |
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Let me put it to you in a similar manner as i put it to Stalky
DO YOU LoneRebel WANT (desire/covet/yearn for) islamic influence in your Filipino society? DO YOU LoneRebel NEED (deem nescesary/essential) islamic influence in your Filipino society? The answer is either" YES" or "NO".............. Think about it.......... While you are thinking, consider how much joy the M.I.L.F. bring to Mindanao Maybe you should invite the people of Maguindanaoe to live in your neighborhood in Manila. Or Better still, if you want/need islamic influence, you could move to Maguindanaoe |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
As far as I can tell, you were the first person to bring up, on this thread, the whole issue of "Islamic influence". I still don't understand what made you say this, and I honestly don't feel like reading through the whole thread. |
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Well, neither do i feel like doing the research for you. |
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Well, it cant be racist as Muslims can be any racial group: Caucasions, Negroids, or Mongoloids. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Not this argument, please. ... "It's not racist because Islam isn't a race!" As I said before, religion and race are intertwined.. |
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YES, you are right:
ALL Chinese, without exception, are Confusionists or Taoiists and ALL Japanese, without exception, are Shintus or Budhists and ALL Arabs, without exception, are Muslims, and ALL Indians, without exception, are Hindus, or Budhists because, inescapably
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BUT............., you can call me a religionist
Most of the people on the planet a religionist, so i have plenty of company |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I regret to say that I'm not one of those people. It may seem to be a strange concept to you, but for me, a person's morals are more important to me than his or her religion. |
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As i pointed out in an earlier post, a person's morals are shaped by their belief system (faith/religion)
This also includes the faith of atheism , as atheism is indeed a faith. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Let me give you an example. As you know, many Filipinos go abroad to work as domestic help in other countries. I notice that when the news media in "destination" countries, such as the Middle East, Singapore and Hong Kong release an article about Filipino domestic help, it's usually in the context of how lazy and irresponsible Filipinos are, etc. Whereas articles about them written by Philippine media usually focus on the inhumane abuse they receive abroad. This is an example of those Singaporeans and Hong Kongers failing to see things from our point of view. I dunno about you, but I prefer to believe our media over theirs. And being a lazy maid is less morally reprehensible than locking your maid inside the house and then beating her to death. lol |
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Must admit that i find it very troubling that you find that amusing |
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FACT: The Islamic leaders of the muslims in western countries are calling for islamification of those countries |
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FACT: Political correctness says we cant stop them |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Well, AGS, this is a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory you got here. Not that it's original - it sounds exactly like something Ann Coulter or Jean-Marie le Pen would say. |
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IT IS 100% ORIGINAL
There was no plagiarism involved |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
From an atheistic perspective, we [humans] will take our position as the dominant species on the planet because we can. |
ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post): |
Correct, my poiint exactly
Its good that you can refute yourself and agree with me. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Oh, AGS, you so funny. Making stuff up now, are you? |
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To put it another way.
By an atheistic moral perspective, the swine flu has every right to wipe out humanity, if it can. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It has nothing to do with rights. If it happens, it happens. I have no idea where you're getting all this talk of rights from. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
And this is why your "joke" about the Aborigines having to leave Australia because other animals were there first utilizes incorrect reasoning. |
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Remember we are talking about atheistic moral reasoning. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
We are talking about what you believe to be atheistic moral reasoning. I have a feeling, however, that you don't really know as much as you think you do about how atheists reason. |
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Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans.
It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
AGS, you appear to be laboring under the delusion that we need God to give us rights. |
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Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans.
It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If that happens, it means the microbe was too virulent, or our efforts to contain it were insufficient. Religion doesn't come into it at all. |
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CORRECT
The context of the hypothetical was atheism, so religion doesn't come into it at all |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I'm just curious, AGS. If in the near future, humanity should be wiped out by a pandemic, what would that mean to you? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If it does, it would mean that God didn't save us, just as he didn't save the 50-80 million people who died from the Black Death, or the 50-100 million who died from the Spanish flu. |
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Can't believe you would laugh about millions of people dieing from plagues etc. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Way to avoid my main point, which was that God did nothing to save those people who died. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
If you're so sad about these people dying, take it up with God, not me. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
50-80 million people who died from the Black Death, or the 50-100 million who died from the Spanish flu. |
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We dont want/need islamic influene on our western (Christian) society. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
But my point is, why did you say this in the first place? |
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the statement is true and i speak the truth |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It's true for you.? |
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And for millions of other Australians
Conservitively, i estimate about 90-95% would agree with that statement With the only people having the opposite opinion would be the muslims Think about it.......... |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
An opinion without basis in fact. |
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We dont want/need islamic influence on our western (Christian) society. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It's true for you.? |
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Let me put it to you in a similar manner as i put it to Stalky
DO YOU LoneRebel WANT (desire/covet/yearn for) islamic influence in your Filipino society? DO YOU LoneRebel NEED (deem nescesary/essential) islamic influence in your Filipino society? The answer is either" YES" or "NO".............. Think about it.......... While you are thinking, consider how much joy the M.I.L.F. bring to Mindanao Maybe you should invite the people of Maguindanaoe to live in your neighborhood in Manila. Or Better still, if you want/need islamic influence, you could move to Maguindanaoe |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
One reason you can get away with your fallacious reasoning is that you make it a yes/no question with only two answers, when in fact it's not a yes/no question at all. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
you don't specify what "Islamic influence" means. . |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Btw, when MF implied that you were an anti-multiculturalist, you attempted to refute him by claiming that you are quite multiculturalist, it's just that Muslim immigrants are somehow different from all other immigrants because they refuse to assimilate and actually seek to turn Australia into an Islamic society. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
It's easy to say such things. Now prove it. Evidence would be nice - oh, it seems you missed that part, didn't you? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Provide statistics on the percentage of Australia's Muslim population that wants Australia to adopt Sharia law, or any other form of "Islamic influence" in Australia.. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I have a feeling, however, that you don't really know as much as you think you do about how atheists reason. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
As far as I can tell, you were the first person to bring up, on this thread, the whole issue of "Islamic influence". I still don't understand what made you say this, and I honestly don't feel like reading through the whole thread. |
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Well, neither do i feel like doing the research for you. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Very well, then I'm going to keep my original opinion of you, since you don't seem to be willing to correct me. |
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Well, it cant be racist as Muslims can be any racial group: Caucasions, Negroids, or Mongoloids. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Not this argument, please. ... "It's not racist because Islam isn't a race!" As I said before, religion and race are intertwined.. |
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YES, you are right:
ALL Chinese, without exception, are Confusionists or Taoiists and ALL Japanese, without exception, are Shintus or Budhists and ALL Arabs, without exception, are Muslims, and ALL Indians, without exception, are Hindus, or Budhists because, inescapably
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LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
The Straw Man Logic is strong in this one... |
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BUT............., you can call me a religionist
Most of the people on the planet a religionist, so i have plenty of company |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I regret to say that I'm not one of those people. It may seem to be a strange concept to you, but for me, a person's morals are more important to me than his or her religion. |
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As i pointed out in an earlier post, a person's morals are shaped by their belief system (faith/religion)
This also includes the faith of atheism , as atheism is indeed a faith. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Religion isn't the only thing that shapes a person's morals. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
And being a lazy maid is less morally reprehensible than locking your maid inside the house and then beating her to death. |
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Must admit that i find it very troubling that you find that amusing |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I don't find it amusing at all. Don't put words in my mouth |
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FACT: The Islamic leaders of the muslims in western countries are calling for islamification of those countries |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Who are these people? |
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FACT: Political correctness says we cant stop them |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
This is a fact? It's more of a conjecture. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Well, AGS, this is a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory you got here. Not that it's original - it sounds exactly like something Ann Coulter or Jean-Marie le Pen would say. |
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IT IS 100% ORIGINAL
There was no plagiarism involved |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I can assure you that it is quite similar to what Ann Coulter would say. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
I am not going to argue with you on your elaborate conspiracy theory involving Satan and his myriad plans to eliminate Christianity. It's a faith-based argument, and there's really no point arguing about faith. There is, of course, no scientific proof that Satan is behind all of the events you listed as part of a grand "plan" to annihilate Christianity. Not that this will change your mind. Like I said, it's a faith-based argument. Pointless to argue. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Pointless to argue. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Oh also, AGS, your attacks on Catholicism |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Oh also, AGS, your attacks on Catholicism (which I quoted in an earlier post) |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
seem to me to be an attempt to distance your type of Christianity (Protestantism) from Catholicism. Because of MF's and Stalky's attacks on Christianity, |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
you attempted to attack Catholicism |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
to show them that their criticisms only apply to Catholic Christianity, and not to Protestantism, which is, of course, blameless. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
to show them that their criticisms only apply to Catholic Christianity, and not to Protestantism, which is, of course, blameless. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Don't kid yourself, AGS. Protestants are responsible for just as many wrongs as Catholics are. If the Catholic Church did not do enough to oppose the Nazis, the various Protestant churches are even more guilty, especially because most Germans are Protestant. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Protestants are responsible for just as many wrongs as Catholics are. If the Catholic Church did not do enough to oppose the Nazis, the various Protestant churches are even more guilty, especially because most Germans are Protestant. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Not this argument, please. ... "It's not racist because Islam isn't a race!" As I said before, religion and race are intertwined.. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
Witch hunts and witch burnings were every bit as rampant in Protestant Europe as they were in Catholic Europe. Anti-semitism was present just as much in Protestant countries as in Catholic countries.? |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
In other words - whatever it was that Protestants were protesting against the Catholic Church about, it wasn't the things that mattered. They just continued many of the Church's bad practices themselves.. |
LoneRebel wrote (View Post): |
PS: AGS, for you to accuse others of trolling...it's like the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? |
dj wrote (View Post): |
You claim these are illegals. I highly doubt it. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
That sounds patronizing to assume your God or religious views are automatically superior to others or other denominations. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
LoneRebel nailed it by saying how can you claim to be "multiculturalist" (where it suits you) but hate the "culture" of specific groups of immigrants. |
dj wrote (View Post): |
LoneRebel nailed it by saying how can you claim to be "multiculturalist" (where it suits you) but hate the "culture" of specific groups of immigrants. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
Some time ago some Muslims went to the city council in Helsinki the capital of Finland and they said that they would like to build a mosque in Helsinki. The council member said to them ok, you can build a mosque but it has to look like a mosque. Meaning it can't be just a high rise building that they renovate into a mosque |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
So far they haven't gotten together enough money to build a proper mosque. Because to build a proper mosque costs a lot of money. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
So yes, my country would like to have some proper Islamic influence, and we want a proper mosque that looks like a mosque, not just some western looking building that houses a mosque. |
MajorFrank wrote (View Post): |
I'll answer your question about "Islamic influence". |
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