Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject: Was 10 years enough?
Been contemplating closing the site this summer for the past couple of months.
Not a financial problem. I think a lot of us have moved on and have other sites and forums as our "home" site. Many of us who still lurk here do have an interest in Close Combat still, but not much invested. I have lost all interest in the back end server admin role as well as I have moved very far away from liking to mess with computers and operating systems.
I don't believe Close Combat is heading to any revival with the new versions coming out, or for any other reason in the future. This site is really showing its age, but I do like its familiarity, there was never plans to modernize it.
If it was to close in the summer of 2014.... The last backup would be held by me for a year or two and the domain kept in my name for an equal length of time, for the just in case factor.
Think about what you and this series have at stake if anything if I shutdown the site, and please post your view.
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Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
We should wait until the next Gen release pending from Matrix/Slitherine. IF it is a success, keep the site going. Since the game is literally still evolving and under development, might as well give it a shot. Just hope they don't dumb it down with the 3D graphics. If Matrix drops the ball trying to do production on chump change budget again, I'm done with them.
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
The community needs a home. This site has been that home for a long time. The success of this site should be measured by what it means to those who contribute and to those who enjoy other people's contributions. Once the site goes, the community will disappear too. No more hosting of mods, no more troubleshooting, no new mods to be announced , discussed or looked forward to. What a dismal life lies ahead of us
Well, it had to happen one time but it still comes as a surprise.
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
Could you not pass the torch???
Revival or not, the closure of this site will hurt the community. I don't post much, but I lurk, and I use the download section quite a bit. Simply having a place you can go and see ALL the close combat games (including TBF when that comes out - as much as you don't like the idea of a 3D CC game), all the mods, maps, info etc, makes this place more accessible than Matrix/Slitherine forums, and this site can outlast them if they went under.
It's a real shame you're contemplating this move at a time when we have two new games being developed. Especially since one of them could give new life to the series.
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
1st - thanks for the great site and all effort/work over the years Mooxe!
2nd - After more than 10 years I can understand why the enthusiasm for running the site and even CC has diminished. But with the new 3D version supposedly coming out this year it might be a draw for some new people since many today do not believe a game can be good that is not 3D. The other thing that is a concern are the mods as Matrix does not seem to want to offer them for download (schrecken created a site for them but with him leaving nobody from Matrix has stepped up to update the site as I think they are concerned where some of the images in mods come from being a company).
The great thing about CCS is that it is a fan site separate from those making the games/money from the games and was more open to debate/discussion on games direction and or mods...
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
This is my GO-TO site for any news on CC. This is one of three sites that I have set to automatically come up when I start Firefox so that I can keep in touch with all the latest on CC. I particularly enjoy going over previous forum Q and A on CC5 as there are so many mods that I am just beginning to try out and enjoy. I know that this is the one site that I can depend on to have about all of the previous mods that have been created over the years, as well as info on the latest to come. I would sorely miss it.
"No plan ever survives first contact with the enemy." Moltke
The other thing that is a concern are the mods as Matrix does not seem to want to offer them for download (schrecken created a site for them but with him leaving nobody from Matrix has stepped up to update the site as I think they are concerned where some of the images in mods come from being a company).
Interesting ... I was always of the impression that site was hosted by Matrix and Strategy 3 Tactics.
Well, I suppose, if they were really that concerned about some images, they would have taken the site down or blocked customer access to it.
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:57 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
I can understand why you would choose to shut it down, but I'd like you not to. This is the only Close Combat site I browse, because it is devoted to just Close Combat. All info about it is to be found here, as well as all mods and tools. There might not be much new traffic coming here, but it is the haven for the old fans and the few newcomers like me.
If CC is not growing now, it sure won't grow after the last devoted site is shut off.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:18 am Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
September would be 10 years of CCS. It would also give eight months to shed more light on the new versions, which would in turn shed light on whether or not the site should carry on. I'd like to see CCS retired rather then die out slowly.
I could consider passing the torch. Someone with knowledge on how to run the site from the server level would have to step up though. The server mostly runs without any action from me, but when it goes down for whatever reason the owner must know how to reboot it. CCS is CentOS, PHP, mySQL, Apache and proFTPd. It would be like a job interview. I put a lot of time into this and don't want to see it squandered off and destroyed. I doubt anyone is up to it, as I have done it solo for the most part (except the beginning years). Very few have stepped up since 2004 for anything more than forum admin roles (which I did appreciate). If anyone wants to mirror the mods its very simple as FTP access is available.
My motivation to close the site has very little to do with Close Combat. I have just moved on. There's two ways I'll keep CCS open past September. One is if the new versions create a higher level of interest than we see now. Second, if I can be convinced in spite of reason one to carry on. Remember though, I would like to see this as a debate, not a thread simply pleading for the site to stay open.
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
I appreciate very much what you have done for the community Mooxe and I'd like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I can imagine that you want to move on after this many years, as I have been in the same situation last year and "abandoned" my photography friends after 17 years. I have not regretted that move yet.
I do hope that someone else would take over from you because I believe that this community, however small it is, needs a home.
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
I will be very disillusioned and sad, like many other community members, if this site dissapears. But I understand that 10 years is long, especially now that it has been very quiet for some years.
I'm hoping that there is a future for close combat but without you, it will be even more harder!!!
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
To me close Combat is more than a game, it is a way of living the past military history, discussing engineering of weapons and experiencing adrenaline, I do not like other games far away from realism, historical aspects, all people go crazy messing around with unrealistic weapons...
I like people here discussing about panther and tiger tanks and then comparing muzzle velocities, projectile weights of 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 and 8.8 cm KwK 36 L/56 and calculating kinetic energy of two projectiles and all stuff like this (maybe because I am a mechanical engineer!)
It is true that close combat has not evolved much in last 10 years, but maybe because it is already good enough and classic! I remember the first time I became aware of Close combat... Back in 1997... In that Summer I got my first pc as a teenager, I was just checking license cd of Windows 95 and Close Combat I was being promoted there as a product of Microsoft. "You will hear the real submachine gun sound crackling!" I actually wasn't able then to buy the game immediately since not sold in my country, but years later I remembered the name of game (because I was so impressed!) search internet, downloaded CC5 demo and my journey started...
But If you really want to close the site, of course you made it and you decide it...
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: Was 10 years enough?
So sad to hear you are considering closing the site. I was searching for a game to play after being tired out of COD types of games. I just truly don't understand why there is not a larger following. Usually there is a sub group that keeps chugging no matter what. But if it is not possible to play a real person on an ongoing basis, there is not much to hope for. Playing the AI is just not it.
I started the Ortona mod at the hight of things, I wish I had finished it that year but life sometimes takes over. I am glad that other people stepped in and that there is a chance that it will be finished.
The nice thing about this site is that after all these years, when I typed close combat in the search bar this site popped up. It was familiar and user friendly. Dunno, makes me feel really old thinking that the site would not be there anymore. But maybe that is a good thing. Sometimes out of ashes ...
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