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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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They don't need to bomb workers or unions any more because most of the jobs have been moved to Commie China & third world slave labor sweatshops


Where are you getting this all from? Unions are disapearing on their own from within, own mismanagement and greed from over the years so they exploit politicians and attempt to force politicians to force NEW members into the fold forcefully, without any will at all into.

Some have been able to sue their way out (home health care workers in Wisconsin), other states (Michigan) turned to Right To Work in order to get away from unions and their cronies. Auto factories have been heading South for decades, being a major factor in why Detroit is a ghost town.

Unions played a good part, decades back, fought for many good things, Coal being one. Abolishing company money and stores, but there time has passed and it was gone 50 years ago.
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pvt_Grunt

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:16 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

A ceasefire is called today - http://rt.com/news/184716-poroshenko-ceasefire-ukraine-putin/
Funny thing is Putin's name is put on the ceasefire in some reports, but according to Russian news he's NOT a combatant. It's an "internal conflict" - nothing to do with Russia. Good old Vlad's just being a helpful international peacemaker!

He probably took his shirt off and shot a bear in between meetings! http://washingtonexaminer.com/15-ways-the-internet-is-reacting-to-vladimir-putin-after-deal-with-obama/article/2535998#!
 
In any case, it's good news for the civilians. Bad news for Ukraine President Poroshenko as the ceasefire comes only after their latest retreat.

Ceasefires tend to lock in the borders - like Korea and Sinai - so it looks like Eastern Ukraine will gain some independence.

This might not be a bad thing long term. After all if it's full of people who want to be part of Russia it's going to be difficult to keep.

Like Africa and middle east, some borders are drawn plain wrong. They dont suit the people, just the colonial masters who divided them up - like Kurd's part of Iraq.
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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 1:44 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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Like Africa and middle east, some borders are drawn plain wrong. They dont suit the people, just the colonial masters who divided them up - like Kurd's part of Iraq.


Well.. Those same people who saw fit to draw up maps of the the Middle East, Africa, the Far East and so many areas of the world have fought over the same turf in Europe they drew up and has switched hands multiple times over the last 150 years when they couldn't come to an agreement (still) because an area had/has an area that spoke/speaks the same language of a particular country that thought they should control it instead of another.
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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

This interesting interview and story today came out:

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More and more people within Russia, even at the top, are beginning to think that he's slightly mad, that he is not conducting an intelligent effective policy, but is weakening and isolating Russia. And, if push comes to shove, it's eventual fate might be to become a vassal of China


Not particularly inclined to watch MSNBC much (if at all), though sometimes Morning Joe has a bit of sanity and will catch it when they have ex statesman, generals, or people (like Brezinski) who are looked at (and have been) as knowledgeable) on what is going on in Russia, past and possibly present by past leadership of this country and his knowledge has proven to be invaluable to those same ex presidents.

Brezinski story and interview
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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:07 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Have mentioned Chamberlain moments several times already going on with regards to the Ukraine situation. Here is another nice article by someone who has been calling it that from nearly the very beginning when the supposed leader of the free world speaks with regard to the situation there and getting it calm there.

Chamberlain moment
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MajorFrank

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

johnsilver wrote (View Post):
Have mentioned Chamberlain moments several times already going on with regards to the Ukraine situation. Here is another nice article by someone who has been calling it that from nearly the very beginning when the supposed leader of the free world speaks with regard to the situation there and getting it calm there.

Chamberlain moment


Krauthammer has always been kind of right-wing with his writings. He wants to fight? Send him.

Over here in Finland we are still enjoying the surplus export products that couldn't make it to Russia because of sanctions. These products are sold at a discount price. Strangely these conflicts may end up benefiting some folks. Average Russians are coming to Finnish towns and cities by the busloads. Before it was 1-2 buses at the parking yards of supermarkets, now it's as many as 16. These old ladies in vans who are called "1 ton grannies" come shopping and leave with large amounts of groceries. Finnish customs is having problems checking all these one ton grannies so they don't go over import quota or something.

Having said that I just hope that this ceasefire would lead to peace. Including all the conflicts connected to this chain of events, quite a few people have already lost their lives. I saw some footage of a civilian who got hit on his balcony with either a mortar shell or artillery. He was dead and mangled with his family crying next to his body.  Sad
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Actually I love sanctions and low rouble.

1) Sanctions removed my European competitors from Russia Smile.
2) Low rouble helps me to have huge margins exporting Smile.
3) And of course low rouble helps me to be even more competitive Smile.

So it looks like I will pay out all my loans this year and if everything goes like that I will pay out my mortgage for a new apartments I've bought this year in 2 years instead of 5 Smile.
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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:05 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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Krauthammer has always been kind of right-wing with his writings. He wants to fight? Send him.


Hi Major Frank,

Krauthammer falls off the table on he's so far to the right Smile  Am just linking in various articles from a couple of different prospectives on the Ukraine. The 1st (Brezinski) was a major player in national security with the Carter, Reagan and had some input with the 1st Bush admin. Krauthammer is a far right reporter, but does have the respect of many on the left.. Even Clinton I might add.
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Hetser

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

When Russia collectivized the Ukraine before WW2, hundreds of thousands starved to death. Since they were formerly part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire (Germany) there was little sympathy out of Moscow. During the War, many Ukrainians supported the Germans, and after it ended, former premier of the USSR Nikita Khrushchev was called the "butcher of the Ukraine" for allowing another 3 million to die of starvation.   That we have many Ukrainians Russian-speaking may  have been due to a migration dictated by Moscow to attempt a colonization of the area.  

(I doubt whether we will ever have a USSR with the same territory as it did when it won the second world war.)    

Check out my post at Closecombatfanatics.com and link to the lecture by the retired historian and USA colonel about the Ost front; if you want to get a better historical perspective.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:09 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Hetser wrote (View Post):
When Russia collectivized the Ukraine before WW2, hundreds of thousands starved to death. Since they were formerly part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire (Germany) there was little sympathy out of Moscow.

what weed do you smoke?

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During the War, many Ukrainians supported the Germans, and after it ended, former premier of the USSR Nikita Khrushchev was called the "butcher of the Ukraine" for allowing another 3 million to die of starvation.

so cool! Nikita Kruschev was UKRANIAN Smile.

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That we have many Ukrainians Russian-speaking may  have been due to a migration dictated by Moscow to attempt a colonization of the area.  
(I doubt whether we will ever have a USSR with the same territory as it did when it won the second world war.)

could you share your weed please?
   
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Troger

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:13 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Hetser wrote (View Post):
When Russia collectivized the Ukraine before WW2, hundreds of thousands starved to death. Since they were formerly part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire (Germany) there was little sympathy out of Moscow. During the War, many Ukrainians supported the Germans, and after it ended, former premier of the USSR Nikita Khrushchev was called the "butcher of the Ukraine" for allowing another 3 million to die of starvation.   That we have many Ukrainians Russian-speaking may  have been due to a migration dictated by Moscow to attempt a colonization of the area.  


You bring up an important point.  Russians have probably committed atrocities against every country/ethnic group they've basically ever come in contact with.  It's exactly why anyone who isn't a communist-wannabe in Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia (basically every neighbor Russia has that is not in the pockets of the Kremlin) hates Russia.  Russia's atrocities (wholesale murder of millions) in the Ukraine are accepted as fact by pretty much everyone, except of course the Russians (queue Russian troll "where's the proof?" comment).    

The Soviet Communism/"Socialism" was pure Russian imperialism, enabling free movement of Russians all over the Eurasia subcontinent.  I've always wondered how the Lithuanians were able to get rid of the Russians post-USSR, I'm sure Estonia and Latvia were wishing they were able to as well right now.
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Troger

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:17 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Dima wrote (View Post):
Hetser wrote (View Post):
When Russia collectivized the Ukraine before WW2, hundreds of thousands starved to death. Since they were formerly part of the Austrian-Hungarian empire (Germany) there was little sympathy out of Moscow.

what weed do you smoke?

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During the War, many Ukrainians supported the Germans, and after it ended, former premier of the USSR Nikita Khrushchev was called the "butcher of the Ukraine" for allowing another 3 million to die of starvation.

so cool! Nikita Kruschev was UKRANIAN Smile.

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That we have many Ukrainians Russian-speaking may  have been due to a migration dictated by Moscow to attempt a colonization of the area.  
(I doubt whether we will ever have a USSR with the same territory as it did when it won the second world war.)

could you share your weed please?
   


Thanks for being here to always prove my point Dima!

And just in case your stupid bullshit is believe by anyone: no, Nikita Khruschev was NOT ethnic Ukrainian. He was born in what is now Russia and was ethnically Russian.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:59 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Troger wrote (View Post):

You bring up an important point.  Russians have probably committed atrocities against every country/ethnic group they've basically ever come in contact with.  It's exactly why anyone who isn't a communist-wannabe in Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia (basically every neighbor Russia has that is not in the pockets of the Kremlin) hates Russia.

haha,
when I come to Poland, Lithuania, Estonia etc I speak Russian, I pay off police if I violate traffic and everyone loves me as I bring them money and they are really poor - that's the reality.
we don't learn their language but say in Latvia and Lithuania you can't get a good job not knowing Russian - that's the reality.
we have 300sq.km free area with Poland where we can go without visa and they ask to extend it as we are so cool Wink.

So where do they hate Russians? I will go there and check.

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Russia's atrocities (wholesale murder of millions) in the Ukraine are accepted as fact by pretty much everyone, except of course the Russians (queue Russian troll "where's the proof?" comment)

I know that in your country it's alright to state something without proving it but here we are interesting in proofs. Can you?
 
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The Soviet Communism/"Socialism" was pure Russian imperialism, enabling free movement of Russians all over the Eurasia subcontinent.  I've always wondered how the Lithuanians were able to get rid of the Russians post-USSR, I'm sure Estonia and Latvia were wishing they were able to as well right now.

of course the Lithuanian could, both of my family houses were build by Lithuanians as they are much better workers than Russians and cost much lower Wink.
hate us as long as you fear us Wink.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:03 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Troger wrote (View Post):
Thanks for being here to always prove my point Dima! And just in case your stupid bullshit is believe by anyone: no, Nikita Khruschev was NOT ethnic Ukrainian. He was born in what is now Russia and was ethnically Russian.

I know you are stupid little hating troll but if a person was born in say Russia and come to the US when he was 3-5 yo will he be American or Russian?
btw Kruschev spent all his youth in Donbass and he was the one who gifted the Crimea to Ukraine - such an irony Wink
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johnsilver

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

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when I come to Poland, Lithuania, Estonia etc I speak Russian, I pay off police if I violate traffic and everyone loves me as I bring them money and they are really poor - that's the reality.
we don't learn their language but say in Latvia and Lithuania you can't get a good job not knowing Russian - that's the reality.


Dima,

Looking at it from the West.. Getting away with everything.. Larceny, theft, police.. It's NOT a positive attribute.

Not a dig at yourself, but towards corruption in general that most in the west understand is massive in scale in the Eastern European states and Russia itself.
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Tejszd

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Almost everyone loves money but it doesn't mean the one handing it out is loved.

Economic dependency and or trade does create a relationship but does not mean they approve of Russian actions in its neighbours or do not fear they could get the same treatment (Lithuania, Lativia Estonia were taken over already once in the last 100 years and Finland, Poland attacked).
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Dima

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

johnsilver wrote (View Post):
Dima,
Looking at it from the West.. Getting away with everything.. Larceny, theft, police.. It's NOT a positive attribute.

ah comon, you can pay off policemen in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Poland, Slovakia, Chezh Republic and all the way down to Italy. Even in East areas of Germany like Berlin it is possible.
it became much harder here like 2 years ago when they started to fight corruption in the police, but still possible.

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Not a dig at yourself, but towards corruption in general that most in the west understand is massive in scale in the Eastern European states and Russia itself.

me personally doesn't pay bribes in Russia but I think it's ok to pay off the police in other countries as it saves you time and money Smile.


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Dima

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Tejszd wrote (View Post):
Almost everyone loves money but it doesn't mean the one handing it out is loved.

as I live in the center of Europe and have opportunity to talk to the people of other nationality I know what they say about Americans and their puppets.
but it's actually a question is it better to be feared or disrespected?

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Economic dependency and or trade does create a relationship but does not mean they approve of Russian actions in its neighbours or do not fear they could get the same treatment (Lithuania, Lativia Estonia were taken over already once in the last 100 years and Finland, Poland attacked).

hate us as long as you fear us Wink.
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Dima

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

nice photo showing a nature of the Ukranian army fighting in Donbas now Smile

but of course everyone will blame Putin/Russia for attacking the Red Cross vehicles on march when they will be destroyed for towing those guns...
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:54 am Post subject: Re: The Ukraine Reply with quote

Dima wrote (View Post):
nice photo showing a nature of the Ukranian army fighting in Donbas now Smile

but of course everyone will blame Putin/Russia for attacking the Red Cross vehicles on march when they will be destroyed for towing those guns...


Dima this made me laugh...

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Why no coordinates or anything we can take as a frame of reference.



Anyways... interesting photo. Our ambulances in the Canadian army can have their red crosses covered up. The "covers" are large metal flaps that fold over the red cross. Convenient if we want to use the vehicle for other purposes. In this case I am going to guess the Ukrainians are not using it the red cross for protection for two reasons. One, the crosses are too small to be recognized from a distance, especially from air attack. Second, its obvious they are hauling artillery, there's no effort to cover up that fact. Those covers on the guns are there to protect it from the elements. I bet they are using them because there are were no other means to transport those guns. An effort should of been made to cover up the red crosses.
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