[apart from Russia] has any of these countries been pillaged for 10 years?
Yes, I have a candidate that "matches" that. Germany after WW2… Germany was bombed into crap up to 1945, and what remained of its industry was pillaged and stolen.
the problem [for Russia] was not in war we had but in lost connections in ex-republics..
Yes, I also have a candidate to match that. I suggest we look at Germany after ww2… :
Large arias was taken by the allies, see map. What remained of Germany was divided in 4 zones after WW2. Then they formed 2 states, one capitalistic and one Soviet satellite. Talking about lost connections, Germany was divided by the “iron curtain”, … And 11 [eleven] million Germans was taken as POW’s or slave labours. Many of them did not return to Germany until Stalin died.
So there you have the comparison, the candidate is west Germany after WW2…
From the end of WW2 in 1945 up to 1960, is 15 years. In year 1960 Germany had a life expectancy of 69,5 years. This made Germany rank at the top in the world, at place 18 .
Today , Putins has been in power for 15 years and Russia has a life expectancy of 69 years. This makes Russia rank 124 in the world among the worst preforming countries… After 15 years.....
So if we compare: in the year 1960 Germany = 69,5 thus outperformed Supa KaPutins Russias in 2012 at 69 years….
Now, I argues that the reason why kaPutin has taken control over the media, is because Russian's would be upset if they know how bad Russia is in a comparison..
Oh , i forgot to mention: Today, (2012) Germany has a life expectancy of 81 years..
guess if Russia in 90s got something like Germany by Marshall's plan aid in 50s it could develop much better .
but of course Germany even in 1945 had way more developed industry than USSR in 1945...
Is it? Seems to me its a thread set up to bash Russia. In the beginning anyway. But also, to mention countries that the posters thought were better than Russia. So, I thought if fair to mention countries that I think aren't as good as Russia, like Sweden. But, if I critisize Sweden you put the post in Train Wrecks.
The following countries were mentioned on the first page of the thread alone (not counting any country mentioned in a linked article).
Russia, Ukraine, United States, Great Britain, China, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Nambia, Guinea, Crimea (once a country), Sweden, Pakistan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Turkey, Georgia, Bulgaria, India, Belarus, Poland, Lithuania, Indonesia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbecistan, Latvia, Cuba, Moldavia, Azerbaijan, Morocco, Philippines, Fiji, Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Albania, Lebanon, Armenia, Georgia, Jordan, Sri Lanka, Syria, and Vietnam.
guess if Russia in 90s got something like Germany by Marshall's plan aid in 50s it could develop much better .
but of course Germany even in 1945 had way more developed industry than USSR in 1945...
Ya, no doubt.
I supplied a nice vid on the Marhsall Plan, the starvation in Western Europe, and the tuberculosis vaccinations et al, but mooxe sent it to Train Wrecks. The posters were falsely making the assertion that Germany had achieved an 69.5 year life expectancy by 1960 without assistance.
In the years of the Marshall Plan, the vid stated Germany's Gross Domestic Production rose by 32%.
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
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I supplied a nice vid on the Marhsall Plan, the starvation in Western Europe, and the tuberculosis vaccinations et al, but mooxe sent it to Train Wrecks. The posters were falsely making the assertion that Germany had achieved an 69.5 year life expectancy by 1960 without assistance.
In the years of the Marshall Plan, the vid stated Germany's Gross Domestic Production rose by 32%.
well, it's a fact that in the first year of the aid - 1948 - the Germany received USD 2,4bn (something like USD 24bn in 2013 prices) - pretty same as the UK and France altogether same year.
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
DJ said -
As far as Sod's comments are concerned...again way off topic. Serbia? They were caught committing genocide, plain and simple...by the Hague, NOT by Yankee court of law. Again Iraq was already addressed and yes there is huge a difference with Presidents and their policies, you're wrong. If Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin were President they would have Nuked Russia by now. Nice try Sod, you ignored my question about Russia not doing anything wrong and said the "policy" isn't perfect? Really? That was a nice bait and switch to just attack me instead of actually answering my question.[/quote]
Over Serbia - That was my point if your comprehension was up to it. USA and Allies lied to invaded Iraq. Resulting in 114,000 dead civilians since the illegal invasion - clearly a Crime against Humanity. These deaths far exceed the deaths committed by Serbia yet no accountability.
US Presidents - Little to no change from Bush to Obama - Gitmo still exists, Iraq still has US influence, advisers and now fighter cover. USA foreign policy is still the same as policy is dictated to by big business. Today's issue with Russia is that it presents a active opposition to US mainly open aggression - Arab Spring, Syria, Sth Ossetia and Ukraine among others.
Then your totally over the top comments that Romney and Palin would have nuked Russia just shows just out of touch with reality you are. Also tell me what Russia has done wrong other then what I have already said - they are currently backing the rebels in East Ukraine. Russia was always going to protect it's border especially after many broken agreements by the West - Nuke and Border agreements ( glasnost / perestroika ). Then advise why the US have a vested interest in the Ukraine, it's not a US border just yet ( Empire USA ) Enlighten us with your over the top comments and paranoid factless statements - we all like a laugh.
Then you can advise me if you have compared Russia / USSR foreign policy record to that of the USA since WW2. How do they compare ? Instead of pretending to defend the indefensible try reason, facts and common sense that you previously have lacked. Time to come out of your 60's bunker and see the day for what it is.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
Troger said -
False. Russian separatists instigated a fight ( Georgia ), just like they have done in eastern Ukraine.
You are wrong. Even Georgia today admits Mikheil Saakashvili ( former Georgian President ) did start the conflict and even rallied the local media with disinformation. UN have also changed their stance. Up date yourself as you are years behind.
Yes you are right in East Ukraine as the rebels are both Russian ethnicity and they did start their own way to their own state. Really no different to when the democratically elected Govt of Ukraine was ousted in the coup. Those rioters wanted something different. as do these - their own state.
If Mitt Romney or Sarah Palin were President they would have Nuked Russia by now.
Lets try to keep it kind of real at least DJ.
I do have a terrible prediction however, just one of those horrible, off the walll things that one hopes never happens, but we all know is going to one day. The next nuke attack will be a terrorist hit and it will be against the Israelis, probably from Hezbollah on another jab in the dark. I also think the response will bring a terrible response from Israel, not Nuclear, but another terrible weapon in Napalm that could set the Middle East abalze in war.
That thought (terrible, I know) has gone through my head since the Shah of Iran was deposed and it's going to happen one day is my terrible gut feeling.
Apologies for going off topic guys.
Why do you think the Shah was overthrown by his own people?
Real:
Sarah Palin has offered unsolicited advice to US President Barack Obama on containing Russian aggression, saying ''the only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke''. Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney and all your other Fox & Friends can't help themselves to promote new arms race against Russia and use this as another 9/11 type rouse to drum up the War Hawks.
As far as the accusations of Iraq are concerned and how that compared to Serbia...if it was up to me, I would throw Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz and their gang in jail for the rest of their lives and seize Cheney's huge fortune of cash and give that to the many thousands of U.S. veterans that are severely wounded and the Iraqi people. Especially since Dick Cheney now receives a huge retirement from Halliburton...banana republics don't have corruption and conflicts of interest this bad.
Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
DJ, You are playing with an empty hand and using a terrible bluff there with your Shah play there dude...
Carter himself weakened the Shah. refused to come to his aide. He was all for his the "spiritualists" and the fall of the Shah. I know what was going on there, or fairly well and am fairly well in tune with the debacle he caused with his self inflicted hostage situation.. I was in the USN at the time, a Radioman on board the USS Engage (MSO 433). at that time, it was fairly simple to see incoming from many ships, bases, coms not even those not intended. some of us did while on duty over the teletype.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
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I would throw Dick Cheney, Wolfowitz and their gang in jail for the rest of their lives and seize Cheney's huge fortune of cash and give that to the many thousands of U.S. veterans that are severely wounded and the Iraqi people. Especially since Dick Cheney now receives a huge retirement from Halliburton...banana republics don't have corruption and conflicts of interest this bad.
I take it that's more socialist spread the wealth tactics? Why stop there with him. Why not question "your" party on Sorors's dumping of his banking stocks recently.
Then.. There is nothing against that at all is there in a capitalist society is there? Not unless more socialist thinkers, such as yourself get elected and I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
Very good Troger,
But when working with vids and articles, just try to find one good example. Try to keep the vids as short as possible. There is usually a plethora of them to choose from.
Oh, and use the "youtube" link method, if you are so inclined. It will show a caption and title for the vid, which helps forumites to decide if they want to link to it and watch.
Is it? Seems to me it is a NATO propaganda party. So, is Sweden a NATO member. I dunno?
But Sweden was mentioned by the posters back on page 1, when "Life Expectancy" stats where being bandied about.
Also, the rapes in Sweden were mentioned on page 1 as well. So I would like to repsond to those posts, if you and the CCS shadow government don't mind.
WARNING this video is presented by several US radio commentators with a combined IQ of about 120 (just a guess).
Stwa, I heard Russia is handing out 3-year residency permits with the option of citizenship, what ya waiting for!?
No thanks, I live in Arizona. It's smaller and has fewer people than Sweden or Russia. I believe there is a better Quality of Life in Arizona. Quality of Life statistics were quoted on page 1. So, if the CCS shadow gov wouldn't mind. I would like to express the opinion that perhaps Arizona should be in the top ten, replacing Sweden or Norway or Denmark or ...
In another decade or so, Arizona might be administered by Mexico. So, we didn't cross the border. The border crossed us. So, what are YOU waiting for.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
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No thanks, I live in Arizona. It's smaller and has fewer people than Sweden or Russia. Most of the people here believe that in another decade or so, Arizona will be administered by Mexico.
A crying shame states didn't have the legal right to form armed bands to stop any type of invasions. I know STWA the people of AZ already have some type of civil force at the border, but they are not really allowed to do anything, same with those groups at Texas. I imagine if those groups were allowed in any situations to use any force, including deadly force those armed groups would slow the deluge of illegals to a drip.
The citizen groups would increase in number, even volunteers. Joe Aparo has a huge amount of volunteers as it is. it's not hard to find them when the cause is a just one.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
Perhaps,
Mexico, is a very wealthy country. It's economy might be in the top ten. I dunno?
Mexico and Arizona were not mentioned on page 1 of the thread. So I wonder it this post will be sent to Train Wrecks.
Mexico is just exporting their poor to North America. Same as the Europeans did. This immigration cannot be stopped by anyone, let alone Americans who usually stand for nothing (as you can tell from this thread alone).
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:16 am Post subject: Re: Russia - Whats goin on..
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Mexico is just exporting their poor to North America. Same as the Europeans did. This immigration cannot be stopped by anyone, let alone Americans who usually stand for nothing (as you can tell from this thread alone).
STWA,
Think mentioned this here before, that am a native of Florida, as of when it was a beautiful state, as in from the keys to the panhandle. The changes all began when the "invasion" during the mid-late 70's of 10's of thousands of illegal immigrants from haiti, dominican republic and originally.. The cubans who were welcomed, then after the state became flooded, were being shoved away to camps. The "wet foot-dry foot" policy.
It was a double whammy. Coast guard ships wer nearly everywhere for a dozen years, patrolling all along south Florida. I spent my final USN years in the reserves, doing weekend (once a month) going out on another old rickety minesweeper, patrolling and picking up refugees, then taking them to a detention camp so they couldn't land in Florida.
Arizona and Texas are the next battleground state. I have seen how beautiful AZ is, like mentioned to you here when we visited several years back. Florida's beauty is now gone.. Destroyed. I'd hate to see the same thing happen to AZ and Texas.
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