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mooxe

Rep: 209.7
votes: 25


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:44 am Post subject: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

I am having a good time watching the news cover the elections. Sarah Palin endorsing Trump last night really made my day. I have seen so many people commenting that this is the beginning of Idiocracy, especially if Trump takes it.

Its a good distraction while I want for the Walking Dead to restart in February.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
votes: 5


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:08 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

[quote="mooxe";p="82889"]I am having a good time watching the news cover the elections. Sarah Palin endorsing Trump last night really made my day. I have seen so many people commenting that this is the beginning of Idiocracy, especially if Trump takes it.

US politics is just more Hollywood.  The two main parties sparring - Repubs and Democ. Once whatever Govt is elected the foreign policy won't change just like over the last 40 plus years. The only real race will be between Clinton and Sanders. However - Clintons electon budget - $24m to Sanders $500k. The price of truth or hiding it.

ps Walking Dead, Blacksails, Vikings and Frontier
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Drizzt

Rep: 121
votes: 9


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:56 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

It's really weird what's going on in Usa.
The slow decadence of neo liberism global system ("paper economy" X times bigger than real economy and out of control that produces systemic-cyclic crisis over and over again; foolish differences between the few riches and masses of poors; desertification of the middle class, sometimes masquered with a "false middle class" substained by debit cards; global pollution and climate changes that, inside this development model, they risk to bring our race near to extinction by the end of this century; dismantling of welfare state to please the èlites and their private puppets; democracies gradually transformed in autocracies to serve better the èlites economic-oligarchic etc. etc.) it produces this weird phenomenon also in the USA: Sanders it's a classic left politic (european style) and it's funny (but not surprising) that republicans call him a communist and it's strange that in Usa he is a serious contender for Clinton; Trump it's something like Berlusconi: an elitist populist (vulgar, but strangely tolerated for this character aspect usually punished by anglo-saxon way of think).
The base of the problem it's the theory of the (economic) infinite grow inside a finite world: it's an oxymoron (future generations will pay for these), but the èlites don't want to think to a more suitable development model (the resources drainage from the low to the high will continue at global level), so, in my opinion, it's irrelevant who will win.

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sod98

Rep: 11.6
votes: 5


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 4:58 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

" Trump it's something like Berlusconi: an elitist populist (vulgar, but strangely tolerated for this character aspect) ".

So very true
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vobbnobb

Rep: 67.5
votes: 6


PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

America is ran by big business.


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US_Brake

Rep: 24.2
votes: 22


PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:14 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Any idiot can run for President in the US it's a free country.




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dj

Rep: 141.9
votes: 8


PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:19 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Yes there is woeful ignorance with the type of mis-information and stereotypes that are being propagated by Partisan media outlets.  I get the hating on Trump for his comments but things get taken WAY out of context.  Not everything Trump says is bad or crazy.  It was a strange site to Sarah Palin endorsing Trump, i'm sure he paid her a hefty sum.  If he did, that is not illegal or even unethical.  This endorsement enraged some of the conservative talking heads like Beck.  The part that Trump has done a service to the people, is by exposing "crony capitalism" and how much of a scam our system is.  Meaning our politicians take big money from Special Interests or self-serving Industrial/Corporate interests - much of which severely hurts our National interests or makes us go further into debt.

It would be interesting to see Bernie Sanders vs Trump.  Both are way outside the existing establishment and so many similarities how their own parties despise them.  Trump constantly gets thrown under the bus by the establishment in his own party.  Bernie Sanders also is constantly attacked or ridiculed by his own party due the immense political leverage Clinton has.   And yes it is true this so called form of "Socialism" is no where even remotely close to what Europe what call Socialism.  We still do not even have nationalized health care it is still a Private corporate system.  

The real problems plaguing America's political system are complete lack of unity, fanatical partisanship based on propaganda not facts, and absolute domination of our Congress by Industrial/Corporate lobbyists.  These lobbyists literally even have their own lawyers writing legislation.  Trump is a master salesman and one of the very few to explain how dysfunctional and corrupt our system is in plain English.  This comes as a shock to the political establishment whom likes to keep the public confused and ignorant.  Now the Republicans are heading down a dangerous path that could cause the party to implode into chaos.
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Drizzt

Rep: 121
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:58 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
The real problems plaguing America's political system are complete lack of unity, fanatical partisanship based on propaganda not facts, and absolute domination of our Congress by Industrial/Corporate lobbyists.  These lobbyists literally even have their own lawyers writing legislation.  Trump is a master salesman and one of the very few to explain how dysfunctional and corrupt our system is in plain English.  This comes as a shock to the political establishment whom likes to keep the public confused and ignorant.  Now the Republicans are heading down a dangerous path that could cause the party to implode into chaos.

Also Berlusconi was a shock (the same kind of shock you are talking about). And he said absolutely the truth about old italian politicians and their corruption. But then? He has become worse than them. Like Trump, he was and he is part of the system as businnessman so nothing of strange about his bad results as politician and, more important, he was and he is a man of the èlites that also as politician has done his own personal interests and the interests of the èlites (telling the opposite in a populistic way to take votes).

The "problem" of the Usa it's the same of the rest of the world. The system, this economic global system, it's condemned. Mathematic condemned it about the real economy. And anyway the amount of the paper economy (it's like the drugs to go ahead again some metres) condemned it in another way. Moreover, many people are not able to split politic theory to the economic theory. Unfortunately, Marx had reason (as economist, and this is mainly what he was). And you can trust me if I say you that I'm not a communist (for many reasons, also personal).
There is an alternative economic model (and I don't speak about a "communist" model)? Sure, more than one. But the èlites will never change this system (to build a different global economic system requires a high level of agreement between nations): we are all expendable to altar/dogma of the infinite grow.
It's easy to imagine that wars for the last resources remained and wars for the water with famines as costant shadow will be the last stage of the current global economic development model. About revolts, for now they are only in an electoral way in many western countries (Trump\M5S\Podemos\Le Pen etc. etc. votes included); but one day, when the differences between the reality and lies will be unbearable, there will be the same scenes already seen in eastern Europe.

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dj

Rep: 141.9
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 1:38 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

It is true that we are all suffering from our global system to find cheap Slave labor in sweatshops based in mostly Commie-subsidized China.  If Communism is truly so evil as we were indoctrinated to believe for many decades, then why has USA and many other Western nations sent the majority of our manufacturing plants to China?  It proves that all of these comments were based purely on propaganda.  The elitists have exploited Slave Labor to the point many these workers are permanently injured for the rest of their lives.  They obviously do not give a rat's ass about our National economies and especially they do not care about destroying lives of families because they have no more jobs.  Apple reportedly is one the few businesses (or maybe even the only one) to even acknowledge investigative journalists alarming reports of sweatshop workers in China becoming disfigured from being overworked.

So when Trump speaks to these points he strikes a deep nerve in the psyche of American public.  But I agree with your points...I really don't trust either.  What I like about Trump is that he is agitating many of the elitists whom I despise.  I want revenge against the shi*heads that have sold my country out.  Many of these losers answer to their masters overseas anyways.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
votes: 5


PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 2:41 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
It is true that we are all suffering from our global system to find cheap Slave labor in sweatshops based in mostly Commie-subsidized China.  If Communism is truly so evil as we were indoctrinated to believe for many decades, then why has USA and many other Western nations sent the majority of our manufacturing plants to China?  It proves that all of these comments were based purely on propaganda.  The elitists have exploited Slave Labor to the point many these workers are permanently injured for the rest of their lives.  They obviously do not give a rat's ass about our National economies and especially they do not care about destroying lives of families because they have no more jobs.  Apple reportedly is one the few businesses (or maybe even the only one) to even acknowledge investigative journalists alarming reports of sweatshop workers in China becoming disfigured from being overworked.

So when Trump speaks to these points he strikes a deep nerve in the psyche of American public.  But I agree with your points...I really don't trust either.  What I like about Trump is that he is agitating many of the elitists whom I despise.  I want revenge against the shi*heads that have sold my country out.  Many of these losers answer to their masters overseas anyways.


Most militaristic countries need an enemy and more so in times of peace. Otherwise why pay out all those tax payers dollars for things like the Brit Trident program or the US F35. It also helps to keep the populous in line believing - War on Terror, Cold War, sanctions etc - all propaganda. War on Terror - terror is an action not a belief. Some would say history proves the biggest Terrorist states come from the West since WW2.
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tripwire

Rep: 37.5
votes: 2


PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:50 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Mooxe, you're in Canada, correct?  Would you have a spare room to rent?  If Trump makes it to President I'm leaving this place!
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:28 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

tripwire wrote (View Post):
Mooxe, you're in Canada, correct?  Would you have a spare room to rent?  If Trump makes it to President I'm leaving this place!


Come on it won't be that bad..............you once had a B grade actor as your President - Reagan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THrZZ95i8zQ
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ke_mechial

Rep: 82.3
votes: 2


PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

I watched the Season 2 of  "Fargo". Interestingly, the '80 elections is involved in one episode, as reagan is visiting the town.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

ke_mechial wrote (View Post):
I watched the Season 2 of  "Fargo". Interestingly, the '80 elections is involved in one episode, as reagan is visiting the town.


I use to get a good laugh out of his quotes he used in speeches that were originally from his movies. It was like he was still in the 60's......at least his memory was.
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MajorFrank

Rep: 41.8
votes: 6


PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:18 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Strange to watch the US election with the comments made mostly by Trump. Ok to use torture (all torture not just water torture), they will go after family members of suspected terrorists, build a huge wall on the US Mexico border and now some vulgarity stuff. Are they electing a president who is supposed to be diplomatic or some kind of medieval war lord?
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mooxe

Rep: 209.7
votes: 25


PostPosted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:23 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

I am just amazed he has the support he does.

The amount of criticism Obama gets, and the praise Trump gets is just so hypocritical it defies logic.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

What is happening to Democracy.......a new form of gerrymandering.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/19/new-york-independent-voter-registration-frustration-sanders-democratic-primary
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Stwa

Rep: 308.9
votes: 16


PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
It is true that we are all suffering from our global system to find cheap Slave labor in sweatshops based in mostly Commie-subsidized China.  If Communism is truly so evil as we were indoctrinated to believe for many decades, then why has USA and many other Western nations sent the majority of our manufacturing plants to China?  It proves that all of these comments were based purely on propaganda.  The elitists have exploited Slave Labor to the point many these workers are permanently injured for the rest of their lives.  They obviously do not give a rat's ass about our National economies and especially they do not care about destroying lives of families because they have no more jobs.  Apple reportedly is one the few businesses (or maybe even the only one) to even acknowledge investigative journalists alarming reports of sweatshop workers in China becoming disfigured from being overworked.

So when Trump speaks to these points he strikes a deep nerve in the psyche of American public.  But I agree with your points...I really don't trust either.  What I like about Trump is that he is agitating many of the elitists whom I despise.  I want revenge against the shi*heads that have sold my country out.  Many of these losers answer to their masters overseas anyways.


I agree, and shortly after I read this, a bolt of lightening struck a tree in my front yard.
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dj

Rep: 141.9
votes: 8


PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 8:55 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

"Ted Cruz is Lucifer in the flesh" - John Boehner

You can't make this stuff up.  The 2nd place Republican Presidential candidate is called Satan by his own former party house leader?  And immigration activists are waving the national flag of Mexico while their amigos destroy Costa Mesa police cars and throw rocks at people for attending Trump speech?  As if that is suppose to make people want to support the immigration activists?

I'll be seeking political asylum in Canada soon at this rate.  Mooxe can you help me?
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mooxe

Rep: 209.7
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PostPosted: Tue May 03, 2016 9:06 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

I have a spare room. But you better hurry before the wall goes up.

I spoke to a Trump supporter here at work. It was so difficult. I had to change the subject as he was literally just repeating what Trump says verbatim almost.
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