[Antony_nz]

This whole affair is very important.

First of all, is it a good thing?
I dont know.

Im happy to see democracy lashing out here. I understand America does not have referendums.

This referendum is a sign that people are not happy. And it should be very alarming to the powers that be. (America,EU,Nato) and many other financial and political systems that run our world.
We live in a system when its almost a political given that you dont no e knowledge your mistakes as mistakes.

What we are seeing are alot of people are getting sick of the system and they are lashing out. When you keep ignoring people who are pissed off they will eventually kill you.
This should be viewed as a threat to all the democracy's that are ignoring the electorates voice, as they have done so for so long.

In the past people were protesting about civil rights or war. Things that could be adjusted. Now days people are protesting that the whole dam system is rotten.  

Voter are lashing out with Brixot, Sanders, Trump, corbyn.

The first signs were the occupy wall street movement.
And im telling you now, its only going to get worst and worst. When you keep ignoring people who feel hard done by and dont give them a voice they will lash out.

What i like about this exit is the media actually starting to ask hard questions about the fundamental system. And is it working?
People are more attracted to the unknown than the status quo. And if you dont like sanders, trump, corbyn or you like many of the systems that run our world, then this should be alarming to you and the globalized world.

People votes are not just a racist vote, or a uneducated vote, they are giving the middle finger vote. And this will continue in a world when politicians are willing to say and do less and less to appease the electorate.
If brits cant have enough say in there own nation how can they have any say in the EU?

[sod98]

Anthony NZ - Agreed.

[ke_mechial]

Anthony, Sod agreed.

What interesting to me was the petition thing. I checked the site, and had first thought that you enter your passport id or etc. to prove you are british. Nothing like that.

I am also curious about how the evolving technology will affect the public voting systems and public intervention to decisions made in the upcoming years.

I suppose the society will soon start discussing it.

[Antony_nz]

[ke_mechial]

[ke_mechial]

"Votely" lol I mean instantaneously.

[dj]

Here in the U.S. we are closely monitoring this situation.  The future of NATO is also very much at stake.  Trump said Europe should pay more for defence.  Then Obama said the same thing at NATO conference.  He mentioned NATO goal of at least 2% GDP on defence spending.  Germany is way short of that, content to let America subsidize them for free.  This is crazy what is happening to the U.K. now.  Maybe U.S. is to follow-up with the South threatening to leave the U.S. again.

[Antony_nz]

I believe they are asking most of Europe to spend 2% GDP.And they wont even do that.

But might i suggest that its not "They want us to spend it" But that Europe doesn't feel the need to to expand there army, as there is no threat.... maybe..

[Antony_nz]

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THE DECISION BY U.K. voters to leave the EU is such a glaring repudiation of the wisdom and relevance of elite political and media institutions that — for once — their failures have become a prominent part of the storyline. Media reaction to the Brexit vote falls into two general categories:

(1) earnest, candid attempts to understand what motivated voters to make this choice, even if that means indicting their own establishment circles, and

(2) petulant, self-serving, simple-minded attacks on disobedient pro-Leave voters for being primitive, xenophobic bigots (and stupid to boot), all to evade any reckoning with their own responsibility. Virtually every reaction that falls into the former category emphasizes the profound failures of Western establishment factions; these institutions have spawned pervasive misery and inequality, only to spew condescending scorn at their victims when they object.

[Antony_nz]

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“both Brexit and Trumpism are the very, very wrong answers to legitimate questions that urban elites have refused to ask for 30 years”; in particular, “since the 1980s the elites in rich countries have overplayed their hand, taking all the gains for themselves and just covering their ears when anyone else talks, and now they are watching in horror as voters revolt.”
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“If you’ve got money, you vote in. If you haven’t got money, you vote out.
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Just last year in the U.K., Labour members chose someone to lead Tony Blair’s party — the authentically left-wing Jeremy Corbyn — who could not have been more intensely despised and patronized by almost every leading light of the British media and political class. In the U.S., the joyful rejection by Trump voters of the collective wisdom of the conservative establishment evidenced the same contempt for elite consensus. The enthusiastic and sustained rallying, especially by young voters, against beloved-by-the-establishment Hillary Clinton in favor of a 74-year-old socialist taken seriously by almost no D.C. elites reflected the same dynamic. Elite denunciations of the right-wing parties of Europe fall on deaf ears. Elites can’t stop, or even affect, any of these movements because they are, at bottom, revolts against their wisdom, authority, and virtue.
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There is no single, unifying explanation for Brexit, Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the West, but this sense of angry impotence — an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight — is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them.
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Obviously, those who are the target of this anti-establishment rage — political, economic, and media elites — are desperate to exonerate themselves, to demonstrate that they bear no responsibility for the suffering masses that are now refusing to be compliant and silent. The easiest course to achieve that goal is simply to demonize those with little power, wealth, or possibility as stupid and racist
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Because of how generally satisfied they are with their lot, they regard with affection and respect the internationalist institutions that safeguard the West’s prevailing order: the World Bank and IMF, NATO and the West’s military forces, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street, the EU. While they express some piecemeal criticisms of each, they literally cannot comprehend how anyone would be fundamentally disillusioned by and angry with these institutions, let alone want to break from them. They are far removed from the suffering that causes those anti-establishment sentiments. So they search and search in vain for some rationale that could explain something like Brexit
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Even more important, the mechanism that Western citizens are expected to use to express and rectify dissatisfaction — elections — has largely ceased to serve any corrective function

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But that is exactly the choice presented not only by Brexit but also Western elections generally, including the 2016 Clinton v. Trump general election (just look at the powerful array of Wall Street tycoons and war-loving neocons that — long before Trump — viewed the former Democratic New York senator and secretary of state as their best hope for having their agenda and interests served). When democracy is preserved only in form, structured to change little to nothing about power distribution, people naturally seek alternatives for the redress of their grievances, particularly when they suffer.
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More importantly still — and directly contrary to what establishment liberals love to claim in order to demonize all who reject their authority — economic suffering and xenophobia/racism are not mutually exclusive. The opposite is true: The former fuels the latter, as sustained economic misery makes people more receptive to tribalistic scapegoating. That’s precisely why plutocratic policies that deprive huge portions of the population of basic opportunity and hope are so dangerous. Claiming that supporters of Brexit or Trump or Corbyn or Sanders or anti-establishment European parties on the left and right are motivated only by hatred but not genuine economic suffering and political oppression is a transparent tactic for exonerating status quo institutions and evading responsibility for doing anything about their core corruption.[b]

[Antony_nz]

You can say look! If America has poor people, they are the riches poor people on the history! They all have I phones, they are living beyond there means ect ect.
You can make this sound like a moral question, but its not. Its a survival question! Because if you dont feel there pain, they will make you feel there pain. And they just did.

Stear clear of over generalizations. "The KKK support trump" "The communist party supports black panthers" People have stopped caring because its a Fuck You vote.

This would be easy if it was a extreme right wing or extreme left wing thing. But its now at the point when there is enough people (Considered not to be doing well enough in life) that they will become dangerous if you let them vote and there votes actually matter.

People dont judge them self as the riches poor people in history.

No body in the worlds systems have accountability, if world leaders and institutions were treated like a small business they would be destroyed and made accountable. They have buildt a system of solidifying there legacy and never viewing there mistakes as mistakes.

You can say the free market capitalist system is based on merit. First off, its the best most freest system in the world and theirs always going to be people who work harder and people that dont. blah blah blah But guess what! IT DOESN'T MATTER!
It doesn't matter  
Because if its not trump, or its not brixot, it will be something else. Until its turns into systemic problem snowball effect. So we can hope it wont fall victim of the alzheimer's problem the public has.
..And change is change, and we dont always know what that will be.

You cant blow off the shrinking middle class.