Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
We should find out if the FBI, and presumably the CIA and NSA are also 'heavily paranoid' about Trump colluding with the Russians next week, if not sooner. Keep in mind that the FBI found the allegations in the Steele dossier legitimate enough to want to pay him to continue his investigation before Buzzfeed published and Steele decided to inoculate himself from accidental polonium poisoning by going to ground. Methinks the FBI was conducting its own investigation along the same lines at that time and 'no comment' on that is bad news for Trump otherwise we surely would have gotten leaks by now from congressional GOP types that, like Trump's accusatory tweets, there exists no supporting evidence.
To quote Fox's Shepard Smith, hardly a wild-eyed liberal reporter - "There’s been lying about who you talk to, and by lots of people and almost inevitably and invariably, they were lying about talking to the Russians, about something. It’s too much lying and too much Russia and too much smoke.” Its almost as if he''s prepping the Fox News audience to get their ideological fire extinguishers ready in case their craniums spontaneously ignite as this crime unravels.
I envision Roger Stone taking the easy way out in a swan dive from the top of Trump Tower. Jared, who succeeded his daddy at the helm of Kushner Inc after Christie put him in jail, might want Ivanka to start designing matching orange jumpsuits.
We should find out if the FBI, and presumably the CIA and NSA are also 'heavily paranoid' about Trump colluding with the Russians next week, if not sooner. Keep in mind that the FBI found the allegations in the Steele dossier legitimate enough to want to pay him to continue his investigation before Buzzfeed published and Steele decided to inoculate himself from accidental polonium poisoning by going to ground. Methinks the FBI was conducting its own investigation along the same lines at that time and 'no comment' on that is bad news for Trump otherwise we surely would have gotten leaks by now from congressional GOP types that, like Trump's accusatory tweets, there exists no supporting evidence.
To quote Fox's Shepard Smith, hardly a wild-eyed liberal reporter - "There’s been lying about who you talk to, and by lots of people and almost inevitably and invariably, they were lying about talking to the Russians, about something. It’s too much lying and too much Russia and too much smoke.” Its almost as if he''s prepping the Fox News audience to get their ideological fire extinguishers ready in case their craniums spontaneously ignite as this crime unravels.
I envision Roger Stone taking the easy way out in a swan dive from the top of Trump Tower. Jared, who succeeded his daddy at the helm of Kushner Inc after Christie put him in jail, might want Ivanka to start designing matching orange jumpsuits.
The only way for the CIA, FBI , NSA and all the rest to keep their inflated budgets so high is to keep enemies in the public eye even if it means creating a few. The same goes for the military who also have the same enemies. There is no money in peace but lots in conflict. That's why it's so profitable in supplying these moderate terrorist group that the US has been doing. sadly trump did say that wouldn't continue but is. Bush Family business is now the world biggest private weapons supplier - Carlyle Group. Fmr Brit PM - Thatcher's son was another weapons supplier etc.
While the public believes these lies, the tax payer lines the pockets of these warmongers. US military budget now exceeds the next eight countries military budgets combined. wouldn't like to guess the budget for the 17 major US Security Agencies either.
Proof is everything, paranoia is for the weak minded. Trump needs to front over the Trump tower business as do the rest over Russian hacking and election influence. Both to date.....zip.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
The chain of logic proposing, without proof, that the US intelligence community manufactured and continues to press a non-existant Trump-Russia plot to maintain inflated budgets irrationally ignores the fact that Trump now both submits and approves their budgeting. That notion sounds more than a little...weak minded. Were budget inflation their goal you'd expect the IC to be tripping on their dicks right now to dismiss any implication that the Trump was involved.
On the subject of 'proof' - barring a confession from one of Trump's accomplices, an unlikely event until the inevitable plea bargaining occurs, proof of Trump's treason resides entirely within the IC. Which means the public will never have that proof, we will ever only have media reports of it. So what better way to ensure continuing 'shadow of doubt' than brand the media as 'fake'. Of course this tactic fails when the branding campaign cant reconcile undeniable facts with their so-called 'fake' reporting. As was the case with the IC leaks about Flynn/Kislyak. Trump proceded to create a vignette where the leaks were true but the reporting on them wasnt. This in combination with concerted effort to frame the leaks themselves as the problem rather than the damaging information they contained. Machiavelli doesnt mix well with MC Escher ;)
And how bleeping stupid is Flynn? Unbelievable that an intelligence honcho would call Kislyak, violate the Logan Act, then lie about it without considering Kislyak's phone is always being monitored. Its like Flynn learned all his tradecraft in elementary school. Now another centipede shoe drops. In Flynn's foreign agent filing, we learn that Flynn paid the FBI agent who, two weeks later in October, claimed a State Department official had asked him to ensure that one of Clinton’s emails not be deemed classified in return for a budgeting favor from the State Dept. After the media hoopla passed and the collateral damage had been done to the Clinton campaign that agent later admitted he had proposed the quid pro quo, not the State official.
Do you guys hear that drumming in the distance? Three booming beats and what sounds like a growing chant. If you put your ear to the ground you can almost decipher the words... LOCK HIM UP!
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
The quote of the day for Wed 3/15 is an extended one featuring Tucker Carlson's interview with Trump:
Quote:
TRUMP - “I had been reading about things. I read in, I think it was January 20, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article, I think they used that exact term.”
CARLSON - “Why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? Don’t you devalue your words when you can’t provide evidence?”
TRUMP - “Because the New York Times wrote about it. Not that I respect the New York Times. I call it the failing New York Times. But they did write, on January 20, using the word ‘wiretap.’ Other people have come out with – "
CARLSON - “Right, but you’re the President! You have the ability to gather all the evidence you want.”
TRUMP - “I do, I do, but I think that frankly we have a lot right now. And I think if you watched the Brett Baier and what he was saying, and what he was talking about, and how he mentioned the word wiretap, you would feel very confident that you could mention the name. He mentioned it. And other people have mentioned it.
1. Trump defends himself first with an NYT report that in no way substantiates his accusation.
2. When challenged Trump falls back on the NYT report while simultaneously declaring he doesnt respect the NYT?!? Possibly because the public does respect the NYT?
3. When challenged further Trump shifts his defense to Fox News reporting which also doesnt substantiate his accusation.
4. Trump claims 'we have a lot' of evidence to back his accusation.
In other news today the Senate Intel Committee states "based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016." House Speaker Ryan puts it more bluntly "no such wiretap existed".
The chain of logic proposing, without proof, that the US intelligence community manufactured and continues to press a non-existant Trump-Russia plot to maintain inflated budgets irrationally ignores the fact that Trump now both submits and approves their budgeting. That notion sounds more than a little...weak minded. Were budget inflation their goal you'd expect the IC to be tripping on their dicks right now to dismiss any implication that the Trump was involved.
On the subject of 'proof' - barring a confession from one of Trump's accomplices, an unlikely event until the inevitable plea bargaining occurs, proof of Trump's treason resides entirely within the IC. Which means the public will never have that proof, we will ever only have media reports of it. So what better way to ensure continuing 'shadow of doubt' than brand the media as 'fake'. Of course this tactic fails when the branding campaign cant reconcile undeniable facts with their so-called 'fake' reporting. As was the case with the IC leaks about Flynn/Kislyak. Trump proceded to create a vignette where the leaks were true but the reporting on them wasnt. This in combination with concerted effort to frame the leaks themselves as the problem rather than the damaging information they contained. Machiavelli doesnt mix well with MC Escher ;)
And how bleeping stupid is Flynn? Unbelievable that an intelligence honcho would call Kislyak, violate the Logan Act, then lie about it without considering Kislyak's phone is always being monitored. Its like Flynn learned all his tradecraft in elementary school. Now another centipede shoe drops. In Flynn's foreign agent filing, we learn that Flynn paid the FBI agent who, two weeks later in October, claimed a State Department official had asked him to ensure that one of Clinton’s emails not be deemed classified in return for a budgeting favor from the State Dept. After the media hoopla passed and the collateral damage had been done to the Clinton campaign that agent later admitted he had proposed the quid pro quo, not the State official.
Do you guys hear that drumming in the distance? Three booming beats and what sounds like a growing chant. If you put your ear to the ground you can almost decipher the words... LOCK HIM UP!
Podesta received Russian loans. Didn't he help bank roll Hillary Clinton in the elections. Is he being investigated too - no. Sadly once again most of the trial by media is on Trump and always was pre elections. However there is plenty to suggest the media only looks one way. The way their pay masters tell them to. MSM is just a propaganda tool to push the message their own want them to. 90% of all media in the US is owned by 6 multinational Corporations. you can see where that is going.
Snoop Dog is a lucky man. How he can create a video that portrayed anti Trump feeling as it did and not get arrested is beyond belief. Imagine if it were a white man doing the same to Obama. What is your media saying about that - not much.
...and coming from the guy that meets and greets ISIS as friends - McCain ( the Nth Vietnam said he has a great singing voice and always was singing to them ).
In other news today the Senate Intel Committee states "based on the information available to us, we see no indications that Trump Tower was the subject of surveillance by any element of the United States government either before or after Election Day 2016." House Speaker Ryan puts it more bluntly "no such wiretap existed".
I didn't hear Ryan say that but happy he did. There's a lot of tip toeing with words on this. "We see no evidence" or "based on the the information" which still leaves the door open for something to come out. The back peddling of Trump and his staff saying he meant it in a broad sense is so funny. His comments on Twitter couldn't of been more direct. I just hope people are seeing through this.
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:42 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
I didn't hear Ryan say that but happy he did. There's a lot of tip toeing with words on this. "We see no evidence" or "based on the the information" which still leaves the door open for something to come out. The back peddling of Trump and his staff saying he meant it in a broad sense is so funny. His comments on Twitter couldn't of been more direct. I just hope people are seeing through this.[/quote]
The tapping of the Trump Tower. He still needs to front up with the evidence otherwise he's just as guilty for fake news as the MSM fake news spreaders and some politicians. Although not an excuse, they ( MSM ) have far more form in spreading fake news. To date they haven't apologized once for their lies.
I think you are probably right. He doesn't like being wrong or losing and certainly hates being criticized. But who does.
"This Administration intends to be candid about its errors; for as a wise man once said: "An error does not become a mistake until you refuse to correct it." We intend to accept full responsibility for our errors; and we expect you to point them out when we miss them." - JFK to the American Newspaper Publishers Association, 4/27/61, ten days after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
The back peddling of Trump and his staff saying he meant it in a broad sense is so funny. His comments on Twitter couldn't of been more direct. I just hope people are seeing through this.
I hope the takeaway message isnt that you can lie outrageously as long as your falsehoods are encapsulated in magical quotation marks.
All the while the CIA and others are hacking the world......................lol. Give the guy an Oscar. More assumptions and not one shred of evidence.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:17 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Although there are almost 2 hours left Im going with this as the quote of the day for Thurs. 3/16 ~
(tl:dr - Press Sec. points to GHCQ as responsible for Trump Tower "wiretap")
"Last on Fox News, on March 14th, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement, quote, 'Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI and he didn't use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What is that? It's the initials for the British intelligence finding agency. So, simply by having two people saying to them president needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump's conversations, involving president-elect Trump, he's able to get it and there's no American fingerprints on this. Putting the published accounts and common-sense (sic) together, this leads to a lot.'" - Sean Spicer at today's daily press conference
Tomorrow we'll learn that it was Obama's Secret Service who actually surveiled Trump Tower during their mission to protect Candidate/Presidenr-elect Trump.
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
I know that we in New Zealand have GCSB. They spying on US citizens as it is illegal for those in the USA to do so. We are part of Five Eyes, so we all spy on each others citizens.
Oh man I figured it would be a week or so before the next "thing."
The Telegraph reports that Spicer has apologized for it to the Brit ambassador. Also, Nat Security Adviser Gen. McMaster did the same to his Brit counterpart. You can only imagine the magnitude of the threatening rockets GCHQ was launching at Trump's people prompting these near instantaneous apologies.
On to the Yalu! No worries mate. NK cant quite nuke Middle Earth yet. Let's see how Beijing reacts to Trump's saber rattling after this weekends meetings. Activity in the S. China Sea should telegraph their displeasure. The realpolitik is that we ceded the offensive initiative in that region to China (and NK) years ago. OTOH, Tillerson may back down and claim he was using air quotes when he said 'military option'.
Of course with an administration willing to toss its most important ally under an int'l bus, to lie even lower in defense of the boss's lie, the worst-case scenario becomes even more possible..
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Oops, maybe we didnt apologize for pointing the wiretap blame at GCHQ. Or we did and wont admit it. Or Congress needs to investigate Obama's treasonous collusion with GCHQ before we'll accept a Brit apology.
Turns out Trump wasnt kidding two days ago when he warned us to expect "very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks".
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
If anyone is going to prove that US Security Agencies have been spying on Trump it won't come from or the agencies but Wikileaks. Firstly it's a death sentence for anyone willing to do a Seth Richard and leak info to Trump. Agencies investigating themselves is a forgone conclusion as we have already seen with the likes of Clapper's lies and Benghazi whitewash.
So it's up to trumps friends again to pull him out of the fire or maybe he could appeal to the Russians again.
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