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sod98

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:52 am Post subject: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Syria Reply with quote

More Fake News - https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/02/13/us/politics/ap-us-united-states-russia.html
 
                       - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russian-mercenaries-reported-killed-by-us-airstrike-in-syria/2018/02/13/c15f5db4-10d7-11e8-a68c-e9374188170e_story.html?utm_term=.6286ce9ca09f
 

      and also this - https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/dutch-foreign-minister-admits-lying-about-meeting-with-putin/2018/02/12/e944cb4e-0fd7-11e8-a68c-e9374188170e_story.html?utm_term=.8f11c0449511
 

Read the article to see they can't confirm any Russian deaths, no evidence of Russia mercs. Even US said -  Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and other U.S. officials said they had no such information on casualties, and the Kremlin did not confirm any Russian deaths. U.S. officials also said the Russian government had lodged no complaint about its citizens being killed.


 The death of the so called free press even if it is owned by the same Corporations that benefit from conflicts, arms sales, regime change and military contracts.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

At least two Russian members of 'ISIS Hunters' squad really lost their lives there - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax.ru%2Fworld%2F599662&edit-text=  . They can be called volunteers, or mercenaries, that's just words...
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sod98

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:21 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
At least two Russian members of 'ISIS Hunters' squad really lost their lives there - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax.ru%2Fworld%2F599662&edit-text=  . They can be called volunteers, or mercenaries, that's just words...


So there was Russians - I stand corrected, cheers. They weren't part of any recognized Russian outfit or even part of 200 - https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/101422387/us-forces-kill-more-than-200-russian-fighters-in-syria
 
It's still false reporting and certainly fake. It seems going by this, if 1 Russian dies you just multiply by 100 to get the total - Vietnam style.
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mick_xe5

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:46 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Both the Times and Post articles are based on reports from Russian media, Interfax & TASS. Thus, it would seem to the unbiased observer that if false reporting and faked news were the case in this instance, then it originated from Russia...including the Russian state-run news agency (aka corporate ownership).

This begs the question - why would Russian media be faking bad news about Russian involvement in Syria? Or are these reports actually pravda intended to prepare Russians for more body bags from 'unrecognized' Russian outfits aiding the Assad regime?
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

That's may be just news sometimes. Hard to expect nowdays, i know. And here is why (use translator):

message from so called 'right' russian political opposition to Putin (not to mess it with western definition of 'right'):
https://strelkov-i-i.livejournal.com/70062.html

message from so called 'liberal' russian political opposition to Putin (not to mess it with western definition of 'liberal'):
https://www.yabloko.ru/news/2018/02/12

Sweet mind similarity. Both parties need fuel for blames, and someone gives them a full tank of it. May be US. May be Russian government, considering the law about PMCs is stalled in Russian state Duma for years, and now is a good time to push it through.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

mick - To answer your question - why would any media report unverified releases - propaganda. Remember Russia has it's elections coming up. It's where you glean your information sources from that matters and to verify sources / investigate - not to publish sensational stories for their own agendas.

 How many times have both sides in the Syrian / Iraqi conflict said they have killed Al Baghdadi now through the media. Or even the Sarin Gas lies in Syria - the latest chlorine gas attack in Syria - after close examination the chlorine was released at ground level and not by a dropped device. Previous attacks pointed at Syrian Govt however these incidents once under a proper investigation show the Moderate Rebels time and again were the perp's - staged attacks using the likes of Al Nusra's " white helmets ", Sarin gas canisters showing Saudi A and Kuwait manufacture.
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dj

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:22 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Many U.S. and Russian arms were captured over the years it could be anyone.  Sod you must really be a paid Russian blogger.  Everything is always USA's fault at all times.  You are a true loyal soldier to Russian regime or you get paid well or both.  You are from Leningrad, no?

They HATE both USA and Russia.  It's a train wreck.  Iran funds many of them because they HATE the Sunni's and ISIS.  Yet USA under the Trump dictatorship hates Iran but tried to fight the very same factions that hate them?  

Russia is smart to try to blame USA for their loss.  Let them fight it out in Syria.  Good luck with that.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:26 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

DJ - Where did I accuse US solely of being the problem. I said media and as this story started in rUSsia. Also as I have stated, it's coming to Russian Elections again so opposition media have started on propaganda again. Much like during the US Elections. You really need to get out and see the rest of the world to open your eyes a little. Your lack of knowledge and understand of how many countries view others is sadly lacking, borderline child like to be fair. If you were a pro US Govt paid blogger ( which I know you aren't..............lol. ) I'm sure your employer would have been asking for their money back and even suspecting that maybe the Russian's have turned you.

Sometimes DJ your comments amaze me but not for the right reasons. Go back and read my post.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Two more confirmed:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpikabu.ru%2Fstory%2Fkuda_ikh_poslali_i_pochemu_kak_sviney_otpravili_na_uboy_5709230  (that text contains a lot of questionable 'facts', as commenters writes)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fprilepin.livejournal.com%2F981239.html&edit-text=
 
Most realistic estimate currently is 11 Russian citizens KIA. Syrians already confirmed 65 KIA (only 15 from regular army). Taking a look at amount of US air force involved https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/1441080/  , total losses may be even more that 100.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
Two more confirmed:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fpikabu.ru%2Fstory%2Fkuda_ikh_poslali_i_pochemu_kak_sviney_otpravili_na_uboy_5709230  (that text contains a lot of questionable 'facts', as commenters writes)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fprilepin.livejournal.com%2F981239.html&edit-text=
 
Most realistic estimate currently is 11 Russian citizens KIA. Syrians already confirmed 65 KIA (only 15 from regular army). Taking a look at amount of US air force involved https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/1441080/  , total losses may be even more that 100.


Depending on who you read but some reports were of up to 200 and the most inflated 600.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Article from NZ;s Stuff - the sources for this article are 3 individuals from US media on this occasion - " more than 200 Russian fighters. - https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/101422387/us-forces-kill-more-than-200-russian-fighters-in-syria
 
Reuters - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-casualtie/russian-toll-in-syria-battle-was-300-killed-and-wounded-sources-idUSKCN1FZ2DZ
 
Daily Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5386503/More-640-Russian-mercenary-soldiers-killed-Syria.html
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Russian elections?  ha ha  The boss can fix that.  You still refuse to admit where you're from...do svidaniya
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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:42 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

DJ was that my boss Vlad.....lol. Of course Russia has elections overseen by neutral parties. Putin enjoys 82% approximate approval from his citizens as polling has shown. Just look at how many times Putin is accredited with being the world's most influential person. How many times has Hillary made that milestone or will it be a millstone for her.

I'm not Russian but will be traveling there soon after a trip to the Morocco and Egypt and Southern Europe - work. The Russian Govt pays very well. In reality I am from New Zealand - the land of the AB's, hunting and fishing - stores called that too, Cricket  - Black Caps, Scott Dixon, PM Jacinda - socialist and very good. Ask any question on NZ and should be able to give the answer.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):
Daily Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5386503/More-640-Russian-mercenary-soldiers-killed-Syria.html  


The US stated that total force was some 300...
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sod98

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:59 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
sod98 wrote (View Post):
Daily Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5386503/More-640-Russian-mercenary-soldiers-killed-Syria.html  


The US stated that total force was some 300...


I read one article where these US trained rebels are leaving the US safe zone to fight the Turks on the border. I wonder when the country will be given back to the legitimate Syrian Govt and their allies to police.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):
I wonder when the country will be given back to the legitimate Syrian Govt and their allies to police.


Turks will likely preserve that people for future usage, like they hold Chechen separatists and expelled Syrian jihadists for years before, which later made a great contribution to formation of ISIS.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
sod98 wrote (View Post):
I wonder when the country will be given back to the legitimate Syrian Govt and their allies to police.


Turks will likely preserve that people for future usage, like they hold Chechen separatists and expelled Syrian jihadists for years before, which later made a great contribution to formation of ISIS.


I understand Turkey's mistrust of others but I do believe these guys will get special treatment as some are Kurds and the others allied with them..................for now. Time will tell I guess - cheers.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

Kind of acknowledge: http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/3086874?p_p_id=101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw&_101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw_languageId=en_GB
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

One of FOX News videos, showing US air force strike at russian-syrian forces, was training from 2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cuyC3K78jQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I4AI6zIz5g

Speculations about losses continues. At least three names proved fake.:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Friafan.ru%2F1028563-bloger-el-myurid-vydumal-ocherednoi-feik-o-gibeli-rossiiskikh-dobrovolcev-v-sirii&edit-text=
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fnation-news.ru%2F348043-v-spisok-poter-dobrovolcev-chvk-vagnera-propagandisty-vklyuchili-umershego-ot-pnevmonii-kazaka
 
The last number (seems legit) is 14 - https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fversia.ru%2Frukovoditel-chvk-vagner-nazval-kolichestvo-pogibshix-v-sirii-dobrovolcev
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Dozens of Russians Are Believed Killed in U.S.-Backed Sy Reply with quote

The PMC law do not passed state Duma due to Constitution contradiction, so 'Vagner' and other groups will remain in gray zone:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmediarepost.ru%2Fsiriya%2F170072-pravitelstvo-ne-podderzhalo-zakonoproekt-o-chvk.html&edit-text=
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