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__Creeper__

Rep: 54.5
votes: 1


PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:30 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
"It all started with lies..."

https://twitter.com/Schwarzenegger/status/1348249481284874240  


Schwarzenegger is my hero too.

Some perspective I'd like to share. We all get one life, only so much time to live it. Opportunities slip away with the time and any day could be our last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaR4C9rgsXE
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JFFulcrum

Rep: 51.7


PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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These are private companies and they can do as they wish when it comes to removing things or people from their platforms.

So it was OK in 1950-s when private bus companies denied blacks from their services? Your argument is that dumb, yes.

Funny thing is that Trump himself banned foreign platforms like TikTok, which now may be useful for him to reach his voters. He had all the knowledge about  pro-dems US Internet platforms, but hate against China blinded him.

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 "These People" also now are the mainstream of the entire Republican Party, which is now firmly even still Trump's Party.

No, GOP was not for these people. It occasionally used them as a fuel, than distanced, and it just become clear. Trump was, yes, but unlikely had any real support from GOP at most. Otherwise, otherwise, he could to do what he promised to his voters. to do what he promised to his voters.

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when they "protest" met with Secret Police in plain clothes posing as civilians looking to start fights with them

Not funny fact - Ashli Babbitt, US Air Force vet, was shot by police in plain clothes in Capitol.

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They were part of British Commonwealth now living under control of Dictatorship and want their freedom back.

People storming Capitol likely had exactly the same motivation - they want their freedom back. Freedom is bigger thing that some CA hipsters views about it.

If Dems will continue ignoring, do not start to speak with people and just blame trumpers as terrorists, than everyone in America will remember how domestic terrorism really looks like.
Like what? This. And this.
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mooxe

Rep: 170.8
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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These are private companies and they can do as they wish when it comes to removing things or people from their platforms.

So it was OK in 1950-s when private bus companies denied blacks from their services? Your argument is that dumb, yes.


Good point. I can't wait to see the Rosa Parks case used as a precedent to why companies can't remove people from their platform.

Really really good point. How broad is your brush? About 10 miles?
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

mooxe
Keep going to GOOGLAG. But keep in mind, that even your conformism may at one point become not enough for new digital jail guard.
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dj

Rep: 123.9
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:31 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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These are private companies and they can do as they wish when it comes to removing things or people from their platforms.

So it was OK in 1950-s when private bus companies denied blacks from their services? Your argument is that dumb, yes.

Funny thing is that Trump himself banned foreign platforms like TikTok, which now may be useful for him to reach his voters. He had all the knowledge about  pro-dems US Internet platforms, but hate against China blinded him.

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 "These People" also now are the mainstream of the entire Republican Party, which is now firmly even still Trump's Party.

No, GOP was not for these people. It occasionally used them as a fuel, than distanced, and it just become clear. Trump was, yes, but unlikely had any real support from GOP at most. Otherwise, otherwise, he could to do what he promised to his voters. to do what he promised to his voters.

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when they "protest" met with Secret Police in plain clothes posing as civilians looking to start fights with them

Not funny fact - Ashli Babbitt, US Air Force vet, was shot by police in plain clothes in Capitol.

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They were part of British Commonwealth now living under control of Dictatorship and want their freedom back.

People storming Capitol likely had exactly the same motivation - they want their freedom back. Freedom is bigger thing that some CA hipsters views about it.

If Dems will continue ignoring, do not start to speak with people and just blame trumpers as terrorists, than everyone in America will remember how domestic terrorism really looks like.
Like what? This. And this.


Nice try comrade I can tell you well trained and studied in Soviet-era propaganda points & probably you are former military.  But this is not very persuasive argument to save Putin's puppet.  Confederate states of the South have wanted apartheid style culture in South for since 1800's.  Rosa Parks was not welcome by them it had nothing to do with "private company".  Notably the majority of the Insurrectionists came from with their Confederate flags with them.  Websites whether this or Social Media have policy of zero tolerance to hate speech / violence / extremism which this does constitute.  

And no that's not correct about "those people" not being the base of GOP now.  Many polls of registered Republicans even after the Siege still show very strong support for Trump and the attempted Coup.  About 50% agreed with the Coup attempt, 80% claim to not trust integrity of elections.  And as I mentioned they had the highest turnout ever for Presidential election.  And only 10 out of almost 200 voted to impeach today.  That means the Siege mobs and their radicalized right wing supporters are firmly in control of the party.

Horrible comparison between Hong Kong and the Siege.  That woman is radicalized fanatic QAnon nut wearing Q gear in her social media posts.  It doesn't matter if she was veteran lots of former military or police or various folks can get radicalized on Social media sites.  She was about to storm into the Congress chambers and deserved to get shot.  If she wants to be suicidal and charge into Restricted Area and commit Federal crimes, that is her own stupidity for believing the Q lies.  There is no plan other than being used.  I do agree with you about that they GOP is just using them and can care less if they die.

Trump lied to them and said he would be there with them yet he was nowhere in sight.  Sitting at the White House eating cheeseburgers and enjoying on Television, while they spilled their blood as he lied and misled them. He's no Caeser.
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dj

Rep: 123.9
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:47 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/13/956426253/rep-tim-ryan-probe-under-way-on-whether-members-gave-capitol-tours-to-rioters
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Schmal_Turm

Rep: 46.6
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

dj, I would think that if they really planned a "coup," as you say, they should have brought at least a few guns. As it is, I haven't seen any evidence of any guns posessed by the "protesters." A Japanese investigator says she noticed things going on that appeared to her to be groups that infiltrated Trump supporters in order to stoke violence. She even noticed a man who managed to slip through the ranks of police on a stairway and put some of his clothes in a bag he was carrying, which she says shows intent to disguise his identity. But I suppose that none of this will have any effect on your constant demonizing Trump and his supporters, while finding almost nothing wrong with the Left and the Democrats.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/video-analysis-of-ashli-babbit-video-suggests-coordinated-actions-interview-with-masako_3652783.html


"No plan ever survives first contact with the enemy." Moltke
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mooxe

Rep: 170.8
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.theepochtimes.com/video-analysis-of-ashli-babbit-video-suggests-coordinated-actions-interview-with-masako_3652783.html
 
I watched the video. The independent journalist Masako (not investigator) basically interprets what she seen in multiple videos taken by other people from the Capitol Hill Riot. This interview is an opinion piece, not unlike anything posted here. The main video she is basing her opinions and making assumptions on is from JaydenX, you can see all his videos on his Twitter or YouTube feed, https://twitter.com/realjaydenx

In JaydenX's video you can hear JaydenX say the woman is dead a couple of times. Masako claims this statement was repeated in order to incite more violence by JaydenX who is Antifa. JaydenX denies he is Antifa.

Now lets talk about Masako's comments on the man changing his appearance. He changed his appearance by taking off two hats, think Uncle Eddie hat from Lampoons Christmas movie and a MAGA hat underneath that, then appearing to put something in a bag later on, presumable these hats because he was wearing a helmet by this time, all in order to change his appearance. That's it. Masako claims he could not have been a Trump support because he was leading the crowd, he was communicating with people at the barricade, he moved away from the barricade after Ashli was shot and he changed his hats out for a helmet.

At the end of the video Masako says "we should know what the truth is then we can move on to what to think or what to decide..."

Complete opinion piece. Not evidence. Nothing proven by her. Masako's opinion is nothing to be taken seriously simply because she scored an interview with Epoch Times.
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JFFulcrum

Rep: 51.7


PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:00 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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I can tell you well trained and studied in Soviet-era propaganda points & probably you are former military.

That`s right. I was in military, what about Soviet propaganda - 'All what communists lied to us about capitalism become truth'. Many Soviet-era propaganda posters looks very actual nowdays. Sad part is that so actual for Russia too...

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That woman is radicalized fanatic QAnon nut wearing Q gear in her social media posts.  It doesn't matter if she was veteran lots of former military or police or various folks can get radicalized on Social media sites.

You speaking exactly like mainland China party leader - keep calling other side fanatics, decline any possibility of their truth and any dialog with them. Looks like Dems decided to play the same card. Say to someone 'you are a pig' constantly - and your will be rewarded with grunt at one point. Call trumpers nazi, terrorists, fascist - they maybe start to be it. Something like this happened in Russia - unstoppable (even after USSR-dissolve) flow from Western media about russians as all-anti-american villains - many in russia decided, that nothing can help and becoming them is the only way to deal with it.
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dj

Rep: 123.9
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:05 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Let me put it like this...dozens of the Trump Zombies that flew to the Coup attempt were already on FBI Terrorist watch lists.  Fact.   And yes it was a Coup attempt planned long in advance and had insider help from Congress caught providing Reconnaissance tours (no masks on of course). Must be watching only NewsMax to not know that the Insurrectionists did bring guns, zip ties for hostages, lasers, mace, bats, nooses to hang presumably Pence, Molotov cocktails...what else?  This is the Check-Mate on humanity according to Tristan Harris that Social Media has shown what we witnessed the very worse in humanity.  

Nope.  The people that brought dozens of FBI Terrorist watchlists folks to start insurrection based on lies, or simply because they just want a RightWing Authoritarian is not Pig card.  They literally are Nazi's, White Nationalist militia groups, QAnon nuts. About half of them minimum, the most hardcore radicalized. You know, like the guy with the Camp Auschwitz shirt. Or the people with Q Trust the plan shirts. I think it's fair to say we know who these nuts are.  No need to keep trying to rationalize or protect criminals already sent many to jail.  Gonna have 20K minimum Troops this time ready to mow down the Trump zombies.  Bring it on.  Trump is a coward just wants their $$$.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

dj
If they was in Russia, China or somewhere else - yes. But they are in US. They are US citizens. Many of them fighted for their country in endless US wars overseas. US government once made such a mistake of ignorance and decline to talk - in 1800s. The Union propaganda shown South as fat pampered plantators, busy between rum and young female slaves. IRL the core of Confederacy was a steel-hardened-quality veterans of wars with indians and Mexico, and they quickly show to DC planners what the war is actually is. If Dems want to repeat - they are on the right way.
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Ocelotl

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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dj
If they was in Russia, China or somewhere else - yes. But they are in US. They are US citizens. Many of them fighted for their country in endless US wars overseas. US government once made such a mistake of ignorance and decline to talk - in 1800s. The Union propaganda shown South as fat pampered plantators, busy between rum and young female slaves. IRL the core of Confederacy was a steel-hardened-quality veterans of wars with indians and Mexico, and they quickly show to DC planners what the war is actually is. If Dems want to repeat - they are on the right way.


Yup, that went real well for the South.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fbi-probing-if-foreign-governments-groups-funded-extremists-who-helped-execute-capitol-attack/ar-BB1cOyCO
 
Of course, US cannot f*up itself... Completely no difference with typical paranoia and blaming of foreign involvement in any cases like in China, Russia. Achievement unlocked, next level is NK!
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mooxe

Rep: 170.8
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

JFFulcrum, what would the benefit be to foreign countries funding extremists in the USA?
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dj

Rep: 123.9
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Fulcum you may want to re-read that article, it was actually very good thanks and lots of links thanks for sharing.  Didn't not even know about "Russian Imperial Movement" paramilitary state-sponsored group uses Soviet-era system of proxies until I read some of the other links.  

"The current FBI official told NBC News that the bureau did not necessarily suspect Russian involvement in the bitcoin transfers" - does not say that Russia did this all they are doing is investigating.
How tragic the "French" national whom sent $522K USD to 22 far-right extremists just happened to commit suicide on December 8th on same day of this Bitcoin transaction?  

Hungary:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/world/europe/intent-on-unsettling-eu-russia-taps-foot-soldiers-from-the-fringe.html
 
Rinaldo Nizarro...just happens to live in Russia.
https://www.justsecurity.org/68420/confronting-russias-role-in-transnational-white-supremacist-extremism/
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

And has a Russian "wife" what a coincidence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/23/revealed-the-true-identity-of-the-leader-of-americas-neo-nazi-terror-group
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Didn't not even know about "Russian Imperial Movement" paramilitary state-sponsored group

I`m too, despite living in Saint-Petersburg. Studying russian press find only brief notes about them in 2015-16, mostly as tiny participants of 2016 nationalistic event 'Russian march'. Only after sudden inclusion into US sanctions list in April 2020 they become known to world (but not in Russia, not even entry in RU Wikipedia, despite having one in EN). That evenly may be caused by Russian secret services cover previously, or because of 'paper tiger' creation by US for political reasons, like it was with notorious Russian mafia during Obama times (most peoples in lists was highly questionable relations to organized crime, lists ridiculy includes popular vocal artist Grigory Leps).

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what would the benefit be to foreign countries funding extremists in the USA?

Who knows, US did supported some nationalists in Russia (especially in Ekaterinburg), may be just 'eye for an eye'.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:53 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Just fyi your opposition leader Alexei Navalny immediately arrested the instant he returned back from Germany.  What does Russian mafia have to do with U.S....so RIM is some the fault of U.S.?

https://nypost.com/2021/01/17/russian-dissident-alexei-navalny-detained-after-moscow-return/
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dj

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:42 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Paper Tiger - I think you meant like a "Proxy" off the books (paper).  That makes sense yes, RIM is really state-sponsored but keep off the books as official government entity.  It's like the old days of Cold War and West does the same but more stealthy.  I still don't understand what you meant by Russian mafia.  During the early days when Yeltsin was the boss, it was big problem.  Now I think they try to cooperate with Russian state in exchange for being good soldiers, I think this is something like the new "Oligarch" system in Russia.
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dj

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:20 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/a-reporters-footage-from-inside-the-capitol-siege
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