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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:28 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Just fyi your opposition leader Alexei Navalny immediately arrested the instant he returned back from Germany.

He was taken to custody, arrest case in progress. He was warned.

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Paper Tiger - I think you meant like a "Proxy" off the books (paper).

I meant something completely drawn on paper, for scaring kids. Again, RIM had no fame, no known actions, no public backing. But, may be after sudden glory as arch-villain, they really started to use their new US-given powers internationally. They will be not first US creatures, who bites feeding hand - just next in line to colombians cartels, Taliban, Al-Quaeda, ISIS and so forth.
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dj

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Predictable response...to deny RIM exists and spin it around as some type of Western or U.S. ploy.  I'm afraid the evidence tells otherwise.  It has been documented by Swedish government during their conviction of 2 white nationalists.  And training camp done right there in Saint Petersburg. So your comments do not add up.  It's not just USA identifying RIM, but many countries in Europe also.  Why would USA, Sweden and others Europe want to pick on innocent Russia to frame them?  Doesn't make any sense Comrade.

http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2015/04/what-does-fascist-conference-in-st.html
 
from the Just security article:

"In 2014, the ultranationalist political organization Russian Imperial Movement (RIM) began training volunteers to fight alongside its paramilitary wing in eastern Ukraine, but the group has since expanded its operations to include global ambitions. According to the group’s spokesperson, RIM seeks to “continue to establish contacts with right-wing, traditionalist and conservative organizations around the world” in order “to share the experience of political [and] information warfare and joint squad tactics training.” Most prominently, RIM has worked alongside the Russian political party Rodina (also known as the Motherland-National Patriotic Union) to convene the World National-Conservative Movement (WNCM), a conference organized against the principles of “liberalism, multiculturalism and tolerance.”

...RIM carries out weeklong military-style training sessions known as Partisan. Led by a former member of the Russian armed forces, this program teaches ‘cadets’ to operate firearms and move in tactical formation.

In recent years, RIM’s terrorist training has proven deadly. Months before bombing a refugee center in Gothenburg, Sweden, the two perpetrators attended RIM’s Partisan training camp. According to the prosecutor handling the case, attendance at the “paramilitary camp in St. Petersburg was a key step in [the bombers’] radicalization..."
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dj

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-extremists-are-training-right-wing-terrorists-from-western-europe?ref=scroll
 
And here's one of the "Trump peaceful protestors" whom stole Nancy Pelosi's laptop and got caught trying to sell to Russian intelligence.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/riley-june-williams-may-have-stolen-pelosis-laptop-and-tried-to-sell-it-to-russia-says-fbi?ref=scroll
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

It was hard to find, but finally some results from the press arose (use google translate):

https://paperpaper.ru/photos/v-peterburge-8-let-rabotaet-boevoj-cent/  (2020)
https://www.fontanka.ru/2017/06/14/138/ (2017)


Looks like that are sole Russian sources about RIM. Shekhovtsov blog (2015) do not contain any notes about RIM. Even in earlier materials from that sites, like https://www.fontanka.ru/2014/07/09/122/  (2014) , that same people was named as from different organizations. Looks like sole definition of RIM was kinda 'imported' by russian journalists after the Sweden case.

People from articles like Gariev are known/have some bad/good fame. RIM as a political movement - not.
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dj

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:16 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

You live under Authoritarian rule by former KGB intelligence expert.  Never going to make it that easy for people to Google within the borders of Russia.  When I use various Search Engines I get many results here in U.S.  Despite Trump being Putin's puppet, surprised to see even his administration recently announced RIM as Global Terrorist organization.  Also this is like a syndicate or Proxy organization so they will keep it secret as much as possible.  Sweden is notorious for being neutral and does not try to start fights with Ruskies ....not credible to say they wanted to frame Russia and invent RIM.

https://www.state.gov/designation-of-the-russian-imperial-movement/

Interesting they chose the code name "Partisan".  Obviously that implies resistance to Western Governments.

it's a perfect fit to these extremists in other countries to do thy bidding of your Supreme Leader.  Violent overthrow of "Liberal" Democratic governments that pose threats to both of their interests.  Otherwise never going to win Elections outright.  Trump kind of got close but had only about half of the Republican Party committed to right-wing extremism.  Then lost majority control in Congress.  And well...Russia just does not have the financial resources to try another arms race.  Best they can do is continue to pick on Ukraine or maybe the Baltic states.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Just to answer this threads topic question...


INNAUGURATION of JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA HARRIS
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dj

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:36 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

And so it begins...the de-Trumpization of Republican Party.  Such as the de-Stalinization program of Soviet Union, the De-Baathification of Iraq.  The daggers finally come out next week for the Impeachment trial.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Also this is like a syndicate or Proxy organization so they will keep it secret as much as possible

For me (and Fontanka story well qualifies) during 2016 process on terrorists in Sweden prosecutors combined several facts, like 2015 event in Saint-Petersburg, visit of two sweden citizens to Russia for training and visit of one man from Russia to Sweden (and his generous 150 USD donation), then found in the Internet one of the many one-man-army political site and 'invented' RIM and traditional 'Russian bear' story about secret bed, interconnecting right-wing extremists around the world. That was NOT used in trial, probably because of the lack of evidences, but was dropped to media that spread another russian threat story worldwide.  Unlikely any russian nationalists attempts to make friendship with european nationalists had any effect - european nationalist to that times already choose ukrainian side, including sweden:

https://www.svd.se/svensk-utreds-for-krigsbrott-i-ukraina
https://112.ua/glavnye-novosti/polk-azov-segodnya-prostilsya-s-pogibshim-dobrovolcem-iz-shvecii-175867.html
https://www.vg.no/spesial/2017/det-hvite-raseriet/page/fremmedkrigeren
 
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Sweden is notorious for being neutral and does not try to start fights with Ruskies

You tell me about the nation for 75 years ill with constant searching of russian submarines everywhere, including small ponds and king's palace moat. One time they got their luck - but russian submarine was already aground in secret waterway to their main naval base, stuck there for many hours already undetected and unopposed. Despite that, for last 40 years the fire of idiocy still not subside.

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Interesting they chose the code name "Partisan".  Obviously that implies resistance to Western Governments.

'Partisan' is a name of training center, it worked openly. Yes, may of its clients was later arose in different battlefields. But such training centers, shooting ranges are anywhere in the US, guess that many of their clients had relations with PMCs, right-wing, even terrorists, that doesn't made them a secret network.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Russia just does not have the financial resources to try another arms race.

This role already grabbed by China, Russia needs only sit and wait, investing into some key technologies. The looser will quickly arose with the deal of combining powers with the trird-placer, and Putin will set the price.
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dj

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:36 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

I am afraid to inform you that Supreme Leader Vladimir has been looting Russia along with his "Oligarchs" for many years and these so called investments are not going to be enough to return to glory days.  Not only that but Russia has been moving a lot of its money overseas systematically into Real Estate as part of the deception. Navalny has been trying to expose with his videos including drone footage of Dmitry's lavish chateau.  I don't think Boris Yeltsin had this in mind when he marched in peaceful protest.

China would commit economic suicide for pre-emptive war with West or even with India as sanctions certainly will result.  Plus they too have elaborate scheme of something like Oligarch systems with their agents and proxies here in USA buying all the real estate they can get their hands on to launder their Communist subsidized currency.  Also they too are looting the money from their own people.

So let me get this straight...Russia runs submarine aground in Swedish territory waters and conducts stealth activities against Sweden, yet somehow Russia is the victim?  Kind of like blaming Finland for when Stalin decided to invade before WW2 even started.  And how Russia had to seize the Crimean peninsula to save the pro-Russian citizens from Ukrainian sovereignty.
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dj

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 4:28 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://money.com/vladimir-putin-net-worth/
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dj

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:28 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Wow massive protests in Russia in solidarity with Navalny.  I thought these opposition protests in Russia were peaceful but for the first time I see some Russians throwing snowballs at the police and one brave man fought the police by himself.  That's an honorable young man, nobody got killed and he was outnumbered & didn't need weapons or gun.  Just his fists
https://www.wsj.com/articles/navalny-protests-threaten-to-snowball-as-grievances-grow-in-russia-11611667251
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Russia runs submarine aground in Swedish territory waters

That was 40 years ago and was a result of navigation error. Happily, millions spent on submarines hunt had some good outcome - last places of several WWI/II-era missed Russian/Soviet submarines was found finally.

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I thought these opposition protests in Russia were peaceful but for the first time I see some Russians throwing snowballs at the police and one brave man fought the police by himself.  That's an honorable young man, nobody got killed and he was outnumbered & didn't need weapons or gun.  Just his fists

Man was arrested today near the border at attempt of defection.

About snowballs - double standards, double standards everywhere. What is a good police response for a snowballs toward -  a 40 mm grenade launcher.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2021 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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According to dispatch audio, an officer asked at one point for permission to use a 40 mm launcher because "they are starting to throw ice balls at us." Launchers are authorized only "to stop imminent physical harm to officers," dispatch said.

"Can you clarify what is authorized at this point?" one officer asked. They were told handheld aerosol, such as pepper spray, could be used to stop "assaultive conduct."


The grenade launcher was not used.
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:38 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

It did not look good for the Russian police whom were attacked by snowballs.  Just snowballs though it hurts a little but nothing serious.  I do give the Russian people whom took part in protests credit for acting civilized.  Better than Trump mobs that savagely killed Policeman, 140 Police were injured, one lost his eye, several brain injuries, several whom had broken ribs and spinal disc injuries.  And 2 of the Police there have unfortunately committed suicide...one Capital Police and one Metro D.C. police took their own lives.  Takes an emotional toll on the Police / Military Guards to have to fight your own people regardless of country.
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:59 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

And the Russian federal police made the right decision.  Imagine if at Tiaminen Square, it the soldier driving the tank ran over the one man protestor.  It would have been for eternity used as propaganda against the Chinese Govt.  Same in Russia, if Navalny killed in jail, he will be made a martyr in Russia.  If the police did kill the protestors throwing snowballs like the Gaza Strip protestors throwing rocks at the Israeli's that too would have been absolute disaster for Russian government leading to international boycotts, embargo and public relations clusterfk for Putin.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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https://money.com/vladimir-putin-net-worth/

He spent his money in Russia, and unlikely will be able to spend somewhere else. Same with other oligarchs soon. World changed - no more free trade, no more safe harbors, no more equality in face of law. Their assets, estates and even freedom can be lost in a blink of the eye. Just say something wrong, and even 15-years of public opposition to Putin will not help you.

BTW, actual state of 'billion-dollar' palace, described in latest Navalniy video as complete.

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one lost his eye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PWZ1xC5khQ
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/600c44dd9a7947650e7e3ae7
 
The government car likely had some protection, so that may be not a snowball, but sort of pellet gun, popular in Russia as self-defense weapon.

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would have been absolute disaster for Russian government leading to international boycotts, embargo and public relations clusterfk for Putin.

Putin is already painted as an arch-villain (what only helps him sometimes), and 'poisoning' of Navalniy already shown, that the world is busy with own troubles and nobody gives much a shit about. At same time countless protests storms over Europe, over Asia and so on, people burns govt buildings, lost lives in clashes with police; the US propaganda machine still able to hide most of such shit in 'allies' under the carpet, but this will not lasts long.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/twitter-troll-arrested-election-interference-related-disinformation-campaign-n1255864  

About to be jailed for memes. Like in tyrannical Russia! Keep going, US, the star of freedom of speech never shine that bright! But some memes are more equal that others...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:54 am Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

Help me understand the rage of the young man whom fought the Russian police by himself with fierce yell.  Coast to coast from Saint Petersberg to Vladivostok, the Russian people had protests and they looked at angry.  Is ALL of this due to Navalny being in jail?   I think the answer is no.

IF Putin and his Oligarchs do not repatriate the money to Russia...then basically that means they looted the money.  Sorry to inform you the odds of that happening are extremely low.  Most Presidents or Prime Ministers make annual salaries of about $1M to $10M USD on average.  Even 10M is extremely high.  There is just no way Putin has at least $40B (according to Stanislav Belkovsky) on his salary.  

And not only are Russians suffering from thieves looting their money.  We have our own problems here in USA with very corrupt elite in real estate industry which allows investors to buy 40 house or more driving up costs and leaving no more inventory like they are Stocks and not for real families to live in.  I think it's global problem it costs way too much to buy a house in all of Europe, Japan, USA...going to be market crash.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: What's happen in the USA Reply with quote

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Is ALL of this due to Navalny being in jail?   I think the answer is no.


Probably you should ask about that not me, but Twitter administration, cause it starts to ban critics of that protests. But beware, this is not an US involvement into Russian internal politics, not a bit. As mooxe teached us, Twitter is a private company and can do whatever it wants.
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