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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Like clockwork you guys are. HIMARs hit on a building is what Russia claims. I guess the Ukrainians put an extra small warhead on this missile.

We're at the very familiar Russian denial phase of another incident.



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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:13 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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I guess the Ukrainians put an extra small warhead on this missile.

Around size of used against Kherson bridge: https://avia-pro.net/news/amerikanskie-himars-nanosyat-udary-po-mostam-vedushchim-v-herson
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:44 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Small warheads used for Kherson bridge? Those holes looks like more than a foot of reinforced concrete and five feet wide. Yes all the bunk beds in the POW building are still in place?

The denial and lies about these incidents are intended for the low hanging fruit, people without good access to external media or a good enough education to filter through all the garbage.

I feel you like guys are the collateral damage to that. You have all the external resources you need but you can't see through the smoke.


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:31 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqtm8cH2log

M31 GMRLS munition have only 90kg warhead. Although, i`m personally agree, that its look more like thermobaric munition. Turkey have Rocketsan Cirit guided missiles for Bayractar TB2 drones: https://zonajakarta.pikiran-rakyat.com/teknologi/pr-183850227/kecil-kecil-cabe-rawit-inilah-roketsan-cirit-senjata-tumpuan-bayraktar-tb2-yang-kualitasnya-sangat-mumpuni  , such a missiles have a TB warheads option
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:57 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):

The denial and lies about these incidents are intended for the low hanging fruit, people without good access to external media or a good enough education to filter through all the garbage.

I feel you like guys are the collateral damage to that. You have all the external resources you need but you can't see through the smoke.



Truth! nicely put
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://t.me/DNR_SCKK/9859

Total 29 victims of rocket-disposed antipersonel mines already.

Amnesty International released report about usage of civilian infrastructure by Ukrainian army, including hospitals and schools. I don't think it's worth reading, cause that's just bite of whip to Zelennsky regime, to remind about consequences on failure to comply with given instructions from West. Although, series of resignations in AI means, that some truth was exposed.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/10/world/europe/grain-shipments-destinations.html
 
As predicted, all the talks about famine in Africa and urgent need of Ukrainian grain was just talks. Grain is need for govts of relatively rich countries to drop food prices, poor ones can keep die of hunger.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Misleading JFFulcrum.

The article talks of 14 ships only, two of those are empty incoming ships without a destination. One ship carried an order which was cancelled (Lebanon) and is awaiting a new buyer.

This article does not paint the full picture, only part of it. Some other parts of this picture that are painted in other reports are the country who shut the ports down, the country preventing harvesting and seeding and the country stealing grain.

If the relatively rich countries faced any shortages or inflation, the poor countries were undoubtedly worse off.


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 7:46 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Yeah, there are updates: UN will do something https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/12/world/europe/un-ukraine-grain-africa.html  . So we have an 1 vs 14 ratio, misleading as your wish.

Meanwhile, Novofedorovka airfield blasts seems like was successful sabotage. Not surprise, plans of similar actions was leaking since 2014
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2022 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Yes accounts show the raid on Crimean airfield was saboteurs with explosives.  Looks like hit and run raid or someone in Russian military whom infiltrated.  Only 9 planes lost but this war of attrition taking greater toll on Russia vs Ukraine in their home turf.

Russian can't really use Conscripts much unless they declare general mobilization and draft which would be extremely unpopular for Russian peoples.  Retired General MacCafferty estimates 80k Russian casualties killed, wounded or captured which is extremely difficult for Russian military to replace.  And estimated 1/3 of armoured fighting vehicles lost that were deployed to Ukraine front.  Additionally Russian economy starting to collapse.
Sale of oil to China helps but is not enough.  Putin doesn't care but it's starting to wear out Russian military regular forces and eventually will need to declare Martial Law and forced Conscript recruits to replace casualties.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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Putin doesn't care but it's starting to wear out Russian military regular forces and eventually will need to declare Martial Law and forced Conscript recruits to replace casualties.

Right now they attempts to switch into Syrian-type campaign, replacing losses with increased PMC and contract service recruitment, even so-called 'Wagner group' reduced entrance requirements. At least one possible resource, cossaks, seems like evaded participation, having bad memories from 2014, when cossaks was abandoned without support in face of regular ukrainian army and some famous cossaks atamans was exterminated by GRU due to insubordination and war crimes. Second time cossacks card did not enter the game.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Two more sabotages in Crimea - in Gvadeyskoye airfield and near Dzankoi railway station, and one on powerlines near Kursk Nuclear Station. Manhunt in progress.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

What a shame this war is still going on.

Why exactly is Russia still fighting?


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paratmar

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 4:31 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
What a shame this war is still going on.

Why exactly is Russia still fighting?
From the essay "On War" (part 1, 1832) by the Prussian military theorist General Karl von Clausewitz (1780-1831) - "War is nothing but the continuation of politics, with the involvement of other means". https://www.usmcu.edu/Portals/218/EWS%20On%20War%20Reading%20Book%201%20Ch%201%20Ch%202.pdf
 
"People get tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing faster than war" - Homer.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2022 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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What a shame this war is still going on.

Why exactly is Russia still fighting?

Same with Syria. All sides made bets and expect some outcome.
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Didn't hear an answer to Mooxe's question.  I guess it's no longer about liberation of Ukraine from Nazi's.  

Looks like Ukraine has invested in formation of Partisan resistance network in Russia-occupied territories.  They didn't confirm nor deny involvement of Partisans at Russian air base strike.

Meanwhile it has been estimated that Russian forces have lost 20K killed in action in Easter Ukraine with an additional 50k wounded.  The offensive has been better than the failed urban assaults on Kiev and Kharkov but pyrric victories barely a few miles at a time.  Today Russia is taunting possible de-activiation of largest nuclear site in all of Europe which could overheat cooling systems and put their own troops at risk. Here we go again back to nuclear and chemical warfare sabre rattling.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:35 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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I guess it's no longer about liberation of Ukraine from Nazi's.  

Declarations and intentions. Like with Ukrainian grain outflow.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:53 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Meanwhile Ukraine somehow received several long-range drones, and actively used them against Crimea. In two days two attempts of strike in Sevastopol, one in Evpatoria, one in Kerch. Mining of civilian areas by rocket-disposed landmines also continues, with amount of victims reached 46. Of course, all human rights activists are too busy to notice...


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mooxe

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

I love Russia's new excuse. Its the West's fault for prolonging the war!

The state basically owns your brain now.


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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:32 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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I love Russia's new excuse. Its the West's fault for prolonging the war!

Usual half-truth, what new? Although, historically any peacekeeping intentions actually only prolongs wars and make them worse - https://www.amazon.com/Strategy-Logic-Peace-Revised-Enlarged/dp/0674007034  . Like Minsk agreements in 2014&15 results in current war, much worse that war was in 2014-15. And the new Minsk in next five years will only results in even more dirt and bloodshed war, probably WW3.
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