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paratmar

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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Berger wrote (View Post):
I am not in Russia and I am not Russian.

I understand the position against Russia of Baltic countries and Poland, and I understand the support for EU of  Germany but I don't share any of them.

I am pro-Russian because I believe that a Russian victory will help the balance between world powers and accelerate the UE crumbling. The unipolar world emerged from the end of the Cold War is gone.


That's an interesting take Berger.

Russian victory requires tens of thousands of more deaths and mass destruction of population centres. Not to mention any further annexation goals that may come after the Ukraine. Now add your hopes of the EU crumbling...

What exactly happened to you to wish so much death and instability for the world?
Bravo! The question was formulated  brilliantly! I applaud standing! Sorry for interfering, just under the impression of skill).
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Berger

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

My wishes are irrelevant.

Death and instability were, are and will be in the world. But I consider a Russian victory the lesser evil.

Ukrainian offensive in Kherson is stalled.

There was a Ukrainian victory in Kharkov at the operational level but it is not going to change the strategic level or the outcome of war.

If Ukraine aka NATO raises the stakes, Russia raises the stakes.

EU dont buy gas of evil Russia, instead EU buy gas from Azerbaidjan and Arab Emirates (two well-known palladins of human rights).
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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to wish so much death and instability for the world?

Cynically, there was no stability in the world before, and blood rivers flow freely. Everywhere politicians (and money douchebags behind them) cares only about stability in their states and deaths of their citizens, no care about wars somewhere else (if not use them for own popularity and prosperity). Now the shit overflows, and hidden truth become clear: we still do not progress much from XIX century. Unfortunately, until next WW, unlikely 'elites' start doing anything for global peace once again.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Starting a war is never the lesser evil. It doesn't have to be like this though with death and instability all over the world.

There's lots of reasons one could become cynical. However its the cynical, the disillusioned, the indifferent that amplify and spread instability simply as bystanders.


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paratmar

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Starting a war is never the lesser evil. It doesn't have to be like this though with death and instability all over the world.

There's lots of reasons one could become cynical. However its the cynical, the disillusioned, the indifferent that amplify and spread instability simply as bystanders.
Well, Russia has ceased to be an observer in order to prevent the spread of instability from the former Hegemon).
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

paratmar wrote (View Post):
mooxe wrote (View Post):
Starting a war is never the lesser evil. It doesn't have to be like this though with death and instability all over the world.

There's lots of reasons one could become cynical. However its the cynical, the disillusioned, the indifferent that amplify and spread instability simply as bystanders.
Well, Russia has ceased to be an observer in order to prevent the spread of instability from the former Hegemon).


Starting a war and threatening the use of nuclear weapons weekly is the opposite path to stop instability.


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Berger

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

USA started the war, igniting Ukraine in 2013-14 with the Maidan Coup. Remember Victoria Nuland and John McCain?
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
paratmar wrote (View Post):
mooxe wrote (View Post):
Starting a war is never the lesser evil. It doesn't have to be like this though with death and instability all over the world.

There's lots of reasons one could become cynical. However its the cynical, the disillusioned, the indifferent that amplify and spread instability simply as bystanders.
Well, Russia has ceased to be an observer in order to prevent the spread of instability from the former Hegemon).


Starting a war and threatening the use of nuclear weapons weekly is the opposite path to stop instability.
I agree. Therefore, I hope that, as Berger said, "reformatting the unipolar world will help the balance between world powers".
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Berger wrote (View Post):
USA started the war, igniting Ukraine in 2013-14 with the Maidan Coup. Remember Victoria Nuland and John McCain?


Politics are at play yes. Regardless, only one country made the decision for war, and for what?


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dj

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:54 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

I see Poland did recently vote for right wing fascist dictator but their government had been trending that way and very anti-immigrant sentiments.  Also Italy has just elected a new fascist Prime Minister, she has openly admitted to being fan of Mussolini.  Unlike Germany, Italy never renounced fascism and their fans stole Mussolini's corpse after America buried in unmarked grave.  Now Mussolini remains worshipped by fascist fans.  France almost voted for fascist leader again.  Sweden now has surge of fascists in government finished 2nd in their election, party literally formed by racist skinheads.

New Axis of Evil empire fascist regimes sweeping across Europe with Putin as the supreme leader.  America very close to another Coup to bring Autocracy here too.  Even if Trump sent to jail and prisoner swapped with Russia to bring him home, he has other protege's waiting whom copy his autocratic style.  Here 100 years after Mussolini's Coup in 1922, wave of fascism is back.

Don't see that affecting "balance of power" but rather creating more death, de-stabilization, more inflation, more greed and especially more corrupt self-serving Autocratics using mafia style cronyism governance.
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dj

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:03 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

There's only one reason why Putin invaded Ukraine = liberal democracy on his doorstep is threat to his Fascist Autocracy
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:56 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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There's only one reason why Putin invaded Ukraine = liberal democracy on his doorstep is threat to his Fascist Autocracy

Actually, that so-called liberal democracies in Ukraine and Baltic states are more fascist that Poland and Italy noted by you. Even while it was known before 24.02, now everybody was coached to STFU about it.
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paratmar

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:21 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Close Combat - Assault on the stronghold https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xq5Ygt7Hpc&t=137s&ab_channel=%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Nord Stream destroyed. Another point of no return passed by.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/mystery-gas-leaks-hit-major-russian-undersea-gas-pipelines-europe-2022-09-27/
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Berger

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
Nord Stream destroyed. Another point of no return passed by.


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dj

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:05 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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There's only one reason why Putin invaded Ukraine = liberal democracy on his doorstep is threat to his Fascist Autocracy

Actually, that so-called liberal democracies in Ukraine and Baltic states are more fascist that Poland and Italy noted by you. Even while it was known before 24.02, now everybody was coached to STFU about it.


What evidence did you find from non State controlled Russian media sources that Ukraine and Baltics states are more fascist than Poland / Italy?  You mean some Neo-nazi's exist among the population?  Ukraine has no record of human rights abuses after the Puppet Viktor fled back to mother Russia for asylum.  Also Ukraine has freedoms and rights to object to government.  Now Putin has made Ukraine more united that ever.  No evidence of Facism.

I know many Russians only trust State media sources because the government propaganda alleges the rest of the world media is working against Russia.  As one Russian said, the culture has become like robots to obey the State.
And that it would great if all the Russian war hawks with the "Z" stickers or clothing would go ahead and volunteer in Army to walk the walk and talk the talk.

As far as the Gas explosion the sanctions stopped all trade anyways it was empty and Germany stopped buying long ago. It is also Germany's project.  I could have been leak no proof the West destroyed it and even if Germany did it's a moot point because all of Europe has banned Russian oil and gas imports.
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dj

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 3:29 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

Media has some evidence to the contrary.  Ukraine was very welcoming to African immigrants many moved there to study.  When the African immigrants tried to flee to Poland, the Poles threatened them and pointed rifles at them.
Not particularly very welcoming liberal democracy.  Maybe it use to be but not any more.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:33 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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What evidence did you find from non State controlled Russian media sources that Ukraine and Baltics states are more fascist than Poland / Italy?

We already discuss lists of strange deaths of journalists and opposition leaders. Make yourself some study about such events in Baltic states. delfi.lv will be good source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_of_Dr%C4%85sius_Kedys - a good start point for. Wikipedia, as usual, hides some info, here is a russian source about death of last suspect of that case: https://regnum.ru/news/accidents/1294033.html . Of course, west media is not interested in such a news: https://news.myseldon.com/ru/news/index/221088742
Thats just Lietuva, situation in Estonia and Latvia is nothing better.

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Ukraine has no record of human rights abuses after the Puppet Viktor fled back to mother Russia for asylum.  Also Ukraine has freedoms and rights to object to government.

You should really pierce out from your media bubble. It so far from reality, even from western media before 24.02, that i don't even see the point for continue of discussion about Ukraine with you.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:41 am Post subject: Re: War in Ukraine? Reply with quote

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And that it would great if all the Russian war hawks with the "Z" stickers or clothing would go ahead and volunteer in Army to walk the walk and talk the talk.

Totally agree.

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As far as the Gas explosion the sanctions stopped all trade anyways it was empty and Germany stopped buying long ago. It is also Germany's project.  I could have been leak no proof the West destroyed it and even if Germany did it's a moot point because all of Europe has banned Russian oil and gas imports.

You seriously underestimate value of destroying gas pipes. It made any agreements with Russia for EU and lift of sanctions useless, cause repairing will likely took a year, and thus gas supplies cannot be restored immediately despite any political decisions. So in cui prodest? the obvious possible perpetuator is US: https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/  , https://news.usni.org/2022/09/26/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-sept-26-2022  :

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The Kearsarge Amphibious Ready Group (ARG) and the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) have departed the Baltic Sea and are in the English Channel. The ARG includes USS Kearsarge (LHD-3), USS Arlington (LPD-24) and USS Gunston Hall (LSD-44). Kearsarge and Gunston Hall completed port calls in Gdynia and Gdansk, respectively, last week.
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