[Bungarra]

So die hard CC fans,

What is your opinion on latest offering from Matrix Games?

Is it worth the money?

[Nomada_Firefox]

I have not bought it, I do not go to pay 40$ on it, too expensive.

[squadleader_id]

This is just a very early report...I've only played a handful of single battles and previewed one of the Ops.
Some notes:

* Nice work on the night battles! Finally battles in the dark in CC! The night explosion effects, illuminations and flames are a nice touch (albeit a bit crude).
BTW, CC3 (West Front mod, IIRC) had night battles with darkened map graphics and specially made "night elements" file (without graphical effects of course)...I'm asuming that now in CCTLD the exe is handling the the elements adjustments for night battles?
* I like the new CCMT style Team Icons artwork...simple but easy to understand and get used to!
* VLs for Allies = US Flag...but CCTLD doesn't only cover the US Utah sector anymore.
* What happened to the realistic weapons artwork that S3T used in CCWAR? Now we're back to using the old CC5 weapons artwork (ugly Kar98k and M1 Garand!)
* The uniforms are from stock CC5 (with Brit uniforms from GJS mod), I'm used to using the cc5uniformmod for realistic/historic US and German uniforms...and they're a lot better than the stock CC5 US and German uniforms used in CCTLD.
The AFVs and vehicles have been reworked with historical camo schemes, but the uniforms were somewhat overlooked...I guess the developers prefer to play with the tiny soldiers mod?
* The interface is still locked with black borders...I'm getting used to this...but players should be able to choose between full screen stretched or in a tiny box. The interface for Classic CC5 included in CCTLD is so tiny displayed with huge black borders at 1600x* (locked at 800x600?)...I hope interface for mods won't all look like this.
* I've also noticed a few minor overlooked details:
- Only 1 type of Stens (graphically = Sten MkII)...so Brit Paras are shown using Sten MkII instead of MkV. Also Brit Para Officers using Enfield Revolver instead of Colts.
- US AB using M1 Carbine instead of M1A1 Carbine,
- Osttruppen Russian weapons should use their German designations.
- US AB gun crews wearing army uniforms
- There were new ranks graphics for US AB in CCWAR...with khaki M42 uniforms...these were out of place in CCWAR (US AB should be wearing green M43 by this time)...but should be used in CCTLD. The current CCTLD US AB ranks graphics are stock green uniforms (same as Army).


Okay...thanks for all your work and efforts with CCTLD, guys!
Now I've got to get back to my men and try to get them off the damned beaches!

[Kojusoki]

how about GameSpy? Is it supported?
what about the famous CCV bugs? Are they removed?

[Tejszd]

[Nomada_Firefox]

What about the AI? People is telling me that it is worse like on one old CC5. Other bad things are the code on maps, people tell that he can not put the troops on bunkers and other elements. They tell that the GJS and Bloody Omaha maps run worse than on the old CC5.

[squadleader_id]

I posted about discovering early some surprisingly good AI performance (reminds me of CC2 AI) at the Matrix forum...not bad IMHO...but I need to play a lot more CCTLD to really test the AI.
The huge maps from GJS (and some from Bloody Omaha) are always going to give the AI problems (both defending and attacking).
I like the way Girlie Soldier (TM) is toned down and that troops are now actually rushing to get to cover after aborting their assault due to enemy fire.

The thing is...besides night battles and some reworked bigger maps...there's really nothing new in CCTLD for longtime CC fans. Most longtime CC players have probably already played to death most of the original CC5, GJS and Omaha maps too.

[Pzt_Decoy]

Having played the first round of the GC and a couple of single battles i must say i a impressed with this release and IMO finally a step forward after the WaR debacle..night battles are sweet and its nice to see they put some tought on it and not just add it as a cheap sale tactic..

The AI is decent imo, and like Squadleader said it reminded me of CC2 as well, but than again i couldnt care less about the AI as its been from 1990 or so since i played vs the AI

Some minor problems wich are mentioned by Squadleader but for the rest a very polished product although i have only played for about a week now..

The only thing bothering me so far is they used the stock CC5 data it seems for mortars and atg's (mortars can easily destroy ATG when it is not in a building or a bunker) they usually destroy the guns with a couple of shells.
And Gamespy is not included or supported for some strange reason.

I am enjoying this game very much , it has great atmosphere and this could be better than CC5 (technically speaking) and it is still the game we all love. Thanks for bringing this game out !

Cheers.

[Kojusoki]

So no GameSpy...
How about the bugs like 0000 crash and other H2H...issues?

Does it have same features like WaR has according to start level? I mean when morale goes down, a BG can regroup on the rear? And when a BG is out of supply it cannot move when its Armoured?

[Tejszd]

[Tejszd]

[Nomada_Firefox]

[Pzt_Decoy]

Nomada with all due respect but how can you have an opinion if you havent even bought the game...

Dont buy the game if you think its not worth it..fine , but please dont try and break the game down when you havent even played it...

[Nomada_Firefox]

[Kojusoki]

well I must afree with Pzt_Decoy that if somebody didnt had a chance to check shoudnt tell and especially critizie. It is like a priest talking about sex;)

[platoon_michael]

Seeing as how Forefox and I have probably played CCV,GJS and B.O to death I thinks it's ok to break down the game you havent played.I.E. tLD
The night thing doesnt make sense to me.
Same map,same thing, just cant see the entire map.
I dont get it?

The lack of any of the features that were first seen in CCM confuses me?
2on2 (or more) H2H,vehicles carring troops,digging in

Those things seem more interesting than night Battles.

[Kojusoki]

I dont want to defend the developers, as im pissed on them for "SOME" unfinished things at WAR, but come on guys,... IT IS A RERELEASE. Not a new game. I could complain if it would be called a NEW game. But it is not...
And they ask 50$ for this? Well I treat it as a maintienece fee for developers (its their job. reRelease is a kind of consumer service or post sale support). I dont like paying 50$ for same thing and i dont buy. I agree i dont get some bugs fixed. Im pissed they didnt made it (fixing bugs) before but this is how world works:)

It sucks I know but its real life

[Therion]

[squadleader_id]

I agree with Kojusoki...we have to remember that WAR and now TLD are just rereleases based on the CC5 engine...so despite the enhancements...there's always the inherited CC5 engine limitations. IMO TLD was a bit rushed out the door (barely 6 months after WAR?). There are some stuff and details that's a bit unpolished and should have been ironed out during testing.
Then again...a majority of the maps and data were imported from popular mods (GJS, BO)...so maybe that's why the dev team only needed less than 6 months to complete TLD?

@platoon_michael:
Expanded Stratmap display? Might be referring to the new Stratmap feature...if you press the space bar...you can see the Stratmap arrow connections. The Stratmap view is still in a limited scrollable window though.

[squadleader_id]