I also wonder if faster computers help the AI to make more / better decisions? Even in Original CC4 the tank would eventuallly face the most dangerous attacker, it seemed the computer was scanning the battlefield for threats. Faster computers might make that decision quicker, therefore less spinning. What do you think Beebs - sorry, VonB, didnt mean to blow your cover
couple of days ago my bet was that Dundradal was Drill but who knows, maybe he is flamethrower or someone worse .
it's always funny to read some "noobs" that have made some 90 posts in 2 monthes after joining with such "deep" insight...but he always reminds, that he doesn't know, he is just reading . yeah, and don't forget to post links to CSO
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 11:50 am Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
A quote from Beeb, or was it Dweeb, I cant remember
Matrix Games I am sure rely on a lot of cheap and free effort from enthusiasts in order to make progress with some of their releases. Testers mostly do it for nothing (well, a freebie game). There will be a 'core' of paid/salaried staff but not enough to provide serious in depth productions on the scale we are talking about. That's just the nature of this commercial beast. It's about profit, that's all. Risk is avoided at all costs, and the owners and shareholders will want as much as they can get out of it. The 'community' can scratch around as much as they please, but will not change the dynamics of the commercial imperatives, which drive the production of these things.
YOUR SO SMART, YOU ARE RIGHT AGAIN
Its ALL about profit. You supply the MONEY and Matrix supplies a non-functioning game. Even a Beeb could figure that out.
OK forget PIRATES and lets talk SCROOGE. Think of all those purchases during CHRISTMAS. All that joy turned to sadness after they hit "Play Game".
Again, please tell us who the Matrix shareholders are, I would really be interested to know.
couple of days ago my bet was that Dundradal was Drill but who knows, maybe he is flamethrower or someone worse .
it's always funny to read some "noobs" that have made some 90 posts in 2 monthes after joining with such "deep" insight...but he always reminds, that he doesn't know, he is just reading . yeah, and don't forget to post links to CSO
No, I'm myself and no one in disguise. Hell I even filled in my profile when I joined. But thanks for the wondering. I think I've been pretty clear around here that I played CC3 when it came out. I recently rediscovered the discs and have been playing catch up. I make no fact in hiding I'm a long time Wing Commander community contributor (WC CIC Profile) . So I'm a little confused why you'd think I'd be whoever the hell the people you listed are.
Oh and go fuck yourself for apparently comparing me to people that apparently are douches? Thanks.
And now that we are past that. I'm not any of those people you mentioned. Long time player, but new to the site. Thanks for the warm welcome.
What's funny is that in a community so small you'd think you'd relish having new people show up to become active. I wonder how many have said "fuck it" after little things like this. I can imagine a lot. Luckily, I'm used to how stupid the internet is and can look past it in order to find the good.
"To you, we are deeply grateful, and release what little hold we might, as Durandal, have had on your soul.
Go."
- Final Terminal Message, Marathon Infinity
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
A quote from Drill, God I am confused
What's funny is that in a community so small you'd think you'd relish having new people show up to become active. I wonder how many have said "fuck it" after little things like this. I can imagine a lot. Luckily, I'm used to how stupid the internet is and can look past it in order to find the good.
You need to have bigger tits to be accepted around here.
What's funny is that in a community so small you'd think you'd relish having new people show up to become active. I wonder how many have said "fuck it" after little things like this. I can imagine a lot. Luckily, I'm used to how stupid the internet is and can look past it in order to find the good.
You need to have bigger tits to be accepted around here.
Bigger tits? Ahh yes the age old problem. If you want tits there are millions of porn websites out there. If you came here looking for tits, you have more problems than I thought.
"To you, we are deeply grateful, and release what little hold we might, as Durandal, have had on your soul.
Go."
- Final Terminal Message, Marathon Infinity
What's funny is that in a community so small you'd think you'd relish having new people show up to become active. I wonder how many have said "fuck it" after little things like this. I can imagine a lot. Luckily, I'm used to how stupid the internet is and can look past it in order to find the good.
You need to have bigger tits to be accepted around here.
Bigger tits? Ahh yes the age old problem. If you want tits there are millions of porn websites out there. If you came here looking for tits, you have more problems than I thought.
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
"What's that coming out of her nose?"
"Spaceballs?"
"Oh shit. There goes the planet."
But really, it's really great to have your fresh and inspiring insight in this thread. From pirate talk to scrooge talk, you've been a bastion of sanity and critical thinking that I believe is lacking from the internet.
Bravo good sir. Bravo.
In all honesty, I'm just trying to learn about what's happened to CC in the decade I didn't pay attention. That's all.
"To you, we are deeply grateful, and release what little hold we might, as Durandal, have had on your soul.
Go."
- Final Terminal Message, Marathon Infinity
But really, it's really great to have your fresh and inspiring insight in this thread. From pirate talk to scrooge talk, you've been a bastion of sanity and critical thinking that I believe is lacking from the internet.
Bravo good sir. Bravo.
In all honesty, I'm just trying to learn about what's happened to CC in the decade I didn't pay attention. That's all.
OK, thats much better
The order to disable your account has been recinded
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
Glad to know I dodge the mortar round on that one.
"To you, we are deeply grateful, and release what little hold we might, as Durandal, have had on your soul.
Go."
- Final Terminal Message, Marathon Infinity
Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
What's happened in the last 10 years....let's see....
Stalingrad was finished for CC5... by a team that picked up where the original creator left off.
A couple of Stalingrad sub-mods were made incorporating great challenges for the German player.
The creator of the sub-mods self destructed.
The marines contracted CCM based on CC3 code.... a small section of the public got hold of it as it was released in a magazine.
The RAF liked it so much that they had their own version (CCRAF) created.
Cross of Iron was released with data updates (mostly RealRed/RealFaust), additional maps, additional campaign as well as exe updates to make it compatible with modern machines... also modswap MMCC3 included in the installer.... it beat Vista out by a couple of months.
Over a dozen CC3 mods ported to CoI
After repeated public calls for a retail release of CCM, CCMT was released based on US Army v Soviet armed OpFor. (marines wouldn't allow public release of marines data)
Marines reconsider and allow marines data - CCMT update released fixing reported bugs and with the addition of marines and RAF based data as a bonus.
Development work on CC4 re-release begun.
Early beta test build released to the public (Torrents) - all testers were stood down.
CCMT made available as a Torrent
CC5 in CCMT mod released for CCMT
A slew of mini mods released for CCMT
CC2Redux mod released for CCMT
WaR released with the greatest number of programming changes in any version of CC. Strat map expanded to 64 maps giving unprecedented strategic options.
Most hard coded variables from earlier releases now moved out to user (modder) accessible text files.
Most reported and unreported bugs fixed with ongoing support not seen since 1999.
Classic CC4 included free.
CC2 Panama invasion released
CC5 Scheldte released
ABTF and BoB mods released for WaR
A handfull of data mods and scenarios released for WaR
tLD released with the addition of night turns and random paratroop drop zones, more bugs addressed at release and subsequent patch. (Classic CC5 included free)
On-going support and testing within the development team
A handfull of data mods released for tLD
Classic CC5 mod released for tLD
Classic CC4 mod released for tLD
The timeline above may be alittle out and I may have missed a few mods yhat you missed (GJS for CC5?)
Note that it's always about how evil pirates are "stealing" from "poor" developers.
Stealing is stealing whether it is from 'poor' or 'rich' developers. If someone stole something from you that you owned, I am sure you would think that is just fine...
To try and justify Copywrite infringement on the basis that you believe a game is not a 'finished product' is still invalid.
Strawman argument. I didn't try to justify the "Copywrite" infringement.
I have accused gaming magazines of not defending the interests and rights of the customers in any degree despite that they are very interested in defending the rights of the publishers.
When one side on the market is always presented as a good victim and other side is completely unrepresented despite that there's a lot of talk about "morality", then there can't be a healthy market.
It's like the gaming magazines are a propaganda tube of the publishers, not journalists interested in writing about ethics.
There are masses of 'free' games available. I remember one called 'Firefight'. A one man band development that wasn't half bad, and gave a good tactical game. Many of the old titles are available at a budget price. Heck, people spend twice as much in an evening drinking themselves stupid and pissing their money away. I couldn't possibly count the number of hours pleasure that CC has given me, bugs and all!
Firefight isn't free. It's a pretty good game, though. Sean has released V5.0 last week.
Armored Brigade is free and much better than CCMT. It doesn't have such a flexible scenario editor yet, though.
So, in the end, there aren't really any good guys, or bad guys, and if you claim to be the former up against the latter, then you're probably just masking guilt. Pay for your games and I bet that guilt will go away, and you'll feel much better about the world. And then you can join us over here on this side of the fence, where we all have every right to complain about lack of developer support, blah de blah, and, you know, on it goes...
No. I'm just an angry guy who spent a lot of money on supporting various developers and discovered that the relationship doesn't work in two sides. Here's the ugly truth - you're going extra mile to support them and to be honourable and they're doing extra effort to cheat you.
You buy their game instead of torrenting it despite that it would save your money (which is moral, honourable and legal).
They are "forgetting" to write about important problems with their games because it would look bad in product description and they are inventing non-existent features to get more money (both of which is immoral, dishonourable and illegal).
I have to admit that I feel a bit guilty about wasting tons of my parent's and my countrymen's work on the tens of newly released games that I have bought when I was a teenager, though.
I don't need to not remove games from inventory as I have tons of original games and used to buy a lot of them in 90s and early 00s, often soon after the release. Practically every game I play is legal, except an occasional abandonware that went OOP before I could buy it in store.
I'm not on the side of the Matrix guys per se, I just think that arguing for pirating software is retarded. You are arguing for theft, and that means you are ok if people rob you blind!!!!, because if you are ok to rob somebody else, what's the problem if they return the favour? If you're going to thieve, fine, but don't ask for acceptance for it, because last time I checked it was internationally frowned upon. There is a good reason for that. This is why I got the shits with the initiator of this thread, because he was a douchebag for being a thief and getting pissed off with people for calling him a thief; WTF????????????
Why so butthurt? Nothing was removed from the inventory. No one robbed anyone - nothing of consequence has happened. No reason to become so agitated.
Anyway, I didn't see any people here being pro not removing from inventory posting here besides the OP. I'm pretty sure that STWA has an original version of CCMT as he was posting on Matrix Games forums. I don't understand why he's getting accused of being "piratey".
The thread simply got flooded with cheated customers because someone has hijacked it and turned into a thread about morality and legality. I'm pretty sure that cheating customers is immoral and illegal, so it's on topic.
So, out of interest, what's actually broken with CCMT and CCtLD, respectively? Call it interest, since I've only recently bought the two, and have not yet experienced issues with either. Everybody seems to be quite annoyed about something, so I gather there has to be some major issues with these product that I am yet to experience.
So, in the end, there aren't really any good guys, or bad guys, and if you claim to be the former up against the latter, then you're probably just masking guilt. Pay for your games and I bet that guilt will go away, and you'll feel much better about the world. And then you can join us over here on this side of the fence, where we all have every right to complain about lack of developer support, blah de blah, and, you know, on it goes...
No. I'm just an angry guy who spent a lot of money on supporting various developers and discovered that the relationship doesn't work in two sides. Here's the ugly truth - you're going extra mile to support them and to be honourable and they're doing extra effort to cheat you.
You buy their game instead of torrenting it despite that it would save your money (which is moral, honourable and legal).
They are "forgetting" to write about important problems with their games because it would look bad in product description and they are inventing non-existent features to get more money (both of which is immoral, dishonourable and illegal).
What kind of financial support are we talking about? Are we talking outside purchasing the games? Not having a stab; just interested.
Honestly? I don't care if their members do frequent these forums; developers' concerns are:
a) Make money.
b) Keep you happy (if they think you may impede them achieving point a), or if they think it may help to achieve more of point a).
No offence to any of the dev' guys, seriously, but that is just the way of this merchant world. That's how they stay in the game. If you thought more of them than that, then you - like me - are a communist hippy with idealistic principles (unfortunately, I've also become a realist over 36 years of observation. Still wish the world was better. *sigh*). Hmmmm, maybe we should both switch to Linux. Heck, some of them probably do care, but that doesn't mean they have the power to do anything to improve the situation. Matrix is small fry; our franchise is small fry. To quote the immortal Metallica - "Sad, but true."
So, yeah, you are absolutely correct; it's not right. Things shouldn't work that way. Companies shouldn't try to flog off sub-par products to unsuspecting purchasers. And, like I've said, tell Matrix (or the devs, or whoever) to go to hell, and that you will no longer be supporting their products because you think they are crap. Try taking them to court. Go crazy. Whatever you choose. As I have said, I still haven't experienced the issues we are talking about, so I'm not emotionally invested in this argument, and I've not said that I am. Again, as previously mentioned, I've only just started playing MT & tLD, and I've experience one issue that is not yet a deal breaker. Give me some time to play both games and I may soon be on the - croweded - bandwagon.
I'm not on the side of the Matrix guys per se, I just think that arguing for pirating software is retarded. You are arguing for theft, and that means you are ok if people rob you blind!!!!, because if you are ok to rob somebody else, what's the problem if they return the favour? If you're going to thieve, fine, but don't ask for acceptance for it, because last time I checked it was internationally frowned upon. There is a good reason for that. This is why I got the shits with the initiator of this thread, because he was a douchebag for being a thief and getting pissed off with people for calling him a thief; WTF????????????
Why so butthurt? Nothing was removed from the inventory. No one robbed anyone - nothing of consequence has happened. No reason to become so agitated.
butthurt? Damn, that's good. I am humbled, sir (or madam). Why so butthurt? Like I said, I just hate hypocracy; if you are a thief, you will be treated like a thief. Did you read the pvt that dude sent in retaliation? I mean, really, he's a douchbag. Period. What is there to argue? Seriously.
I don't understand why he's getting accused of being "piratey".
Did you read Stwa's posts? Everything was about Pirates. Pirates this; pirates that... It wasn't an acusation, it was a humourous commentary designed to illicit chuckles. I mean, come on, Stwa's pirate analogy was spiralling out of control. I had to do something to bring him back, otherwise he could have sucked us all into the pirate dimension! :)
So, out of interest, what's actually broken with CCMT and CCtLD, respectively? Call it interest, since I've only recently bought the two, and have not yet experienced issues with either. Everybody seems to be quite annoyed about something, so I gather there has to be some major issues with these product that I am yet to experience.
It was explained earlier in this thread.
All quotes:
"I bought Modern Tactics and hated it because i heard you could download a mod for ww2."
"...did you download the version that enables trojans when you install it..."
"I want a working game. "
"Its now 2010, 2.5 years later and its still unplayable with that patch."
"CCMT... It's biggest problem isn't the data or the game engine but that it has no game part to it, a CC3/COI or CC4/5 or WAR/TLD campaign, for people to play single player."
"... the recent probs with tLD"
"The "patch" was filled with new content mostly, as this material missed the original release date. The existing missions needed to be re-built with the exe, and most bugs and data errors were not addressed. This "patch" turned CCMT into a cluster fuck."
"Most bugs were dealt with but data inconsistencies were not. "
"I can admit that the original game was a sad story, not properly tested and released to soon, and personally I waited half a year before I bought it so the worst flaws would have been patched."
"... during the production of CCMT someone "released" the test build of the game to the torrent download sites... luckily it was infested with trojans and all downloaders have been suffering since. "
"When I found out that there were issues with pathing, I adjusted my game play accordingly. Should I have to? Maybe not, but it is hardly a clear cut issue. Real life throws plenty of screw balls anyway... Also your comment about AI is even more difficult to be clear cut about. When is AI broken? When it doesn't do what you want it or expect it to do?"
"They released and SOLD a product that was not complete and/or tested..."
"Spaceballs?" - just testing
"Personally, I won't buy any game from Matrix Games. I won't tolerate conmen, who repay honest paying customers with selling games with fictional features that are in feature description and they didn't bother to implement ("Accurate and realistic modern equipment modeling" and
"Accurately depicting modern tactical warfare and it’s challenge") and don't give a clear warning that they sell faulty games (non-functional AI in CCMT for example)." - Oh, that last one was you, Theiron.
Except for pathing issues, AI issues, and false claims, there is nothing here that tells me what specific problems exist within the games. Or, are they the problems? Faulty pathing? AI that doesn't do what you want or expect? Bold claims about "realistic-ness" that falls short of the mark? Umm... how has that changed since CCII? I always thought it was just part of the CC experience.
"I have come here to kick ass and chew bubblegum... and I'm all out of bubblegum." - They Live
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 4:32 am Post subject: Re: The Longest Day serial needed
Ok if the matrix releases are such shit why is there someone searching for an illicit serial number?
you know what really fucks me off, two newbies ( well one returnee) have been dragged into this whining bitching back biting mess and i guess as the membership is still increasing slowly new people will wander through threads like this and won't want to become involved be it buying new releases, modding the current close combat line or God forbid playing on line amongst us looneys
Success, big bright shiny success at driving this game forwards. Pat yourselves on the back
P.S. this is a longest day thread Stwa, you're whining about CCMT.
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