mooxe
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 Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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From Skystrike at Matrix...
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If you merge battlegroups this happens:
-you lose other battlegroup
-you will have a lesser maximum number of teams than you would with 2 BGs.
-you lose the units of the smaller BG to the forcepool.
-even an elite SS BG will merge to an reservist BG if it is smaller.
-you get no or very little points in return of the merge
-you would have to BUY back the merged teams from the force pool, with points that you dont have!
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So assuming thats all true, I dont have the game yet, this new strategic feature is actually no good at all? Southern_Land, you said merging battlegroups works quite well? |
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pagskier
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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I have no idea
I merged one and haven't used it yet
but it seems I lost all my BG unit to 1 bazooka and 1 piat on the screen
But i haven't figure out yet |
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7A_Woulf
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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The soldiers from the merged unit ends up in the FP of the new unit, not sure about what happens to their points... 
Personally I used merging as little as possible, but on the other hand; -Reserve units are just borrowed and then returned for half their initial cost, not really good either (from a pure gaming-viewpoint...) |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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It would depend at what point you merge them.
When both BG's are strong and healthy merging would not be a good idea.
if one Bg is depleted and verging on useless merging it into another BG can be worthwhile..... thnk late in the campaign. |
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Priapus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| schrecken wrote (View Post):
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It would depend at what point you merge them.
When both BG's are strong and healthy merging would not be a good idea.
if one Bg is depleted and verging on useless merging it into another BG can be worthwhile..... thnk late in the campaign.
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Precisely. This would be great in TLD for integrating beaten up beach BGs into reinforcement BGs, rather than leaving them to the wolves. |
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squadleader_id
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| Would have been be a cool new feature...too bad you can't un-merge BGs later on. |
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soldat
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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In most Cases, Merging is a very bad idea. When two battle group merges,the points of the merged BG just disappeared, the merging BG could have the force pool of another BG, but they cannot afford any of these units, because the points are too few.
And when an ordinary german BG encounters a static BG, it absorbs it, even the static BG have a lot of points in active roster. |
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Troger
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| schrecken wrote (View Post):
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It would depend at what point you merge them.
When both BG's are strong and healthy merging would not be a good idea.
if one Bg is depleted and verging on useless merging it into another BG can be worthwhile..... thnk late in the campaign.
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Shouldn't the player be the one to choose what merges and what doesn't? |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| The player get's to choose if he wants to merge battle groups. |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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But Static BG's are required to merge with mobile BG's.
So you have to drive around the Static BG if you don't want it to be merged. |
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southern_land
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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Nope i said the ability to have two BGs co-existing on a map, and strike out in different derections, or one leaving, the other defend was good.
I only merged a couple of nearly spent Para BG's which worked fine. Lets face it, whats the point of merging fully active units? |
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Troger
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| schrecken wrote (View Post):
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The player get's to choose if he wants to merge battle groups.
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Is that a response to what I wrote? If so, maybe I didn't make myself clear:
Shouldn't the player be able to choose what units merge into the final bg? |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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Then don't use it.
waaaaaa |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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Shouldn't the player be able to choose what units merge?
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hey you should have full control of your BG make up as well... make up your own teams. |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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even decide what weapon each man carries... and his armour etc...
oh wait you're not in the marines .. so you miss out |
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Priapus
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| Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| Troger wrote (View Post):
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| schrecken wrote (View Post):
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The player get's to choose if he wants to merge battle groups.
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I can't believe you guys left it to be done automatically, shows incredible shortsightedness. Why wouldn't that be something the player controls? You've practically made the feature worthless.
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He's right |
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Troger
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:13 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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| schrecken wrote:
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hey you should have full control of your BG make up as well... make up your own teams.
even decide what weapon each man carries... and his armour etc...
oh wait you're not in the marines .. so you miss out
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Youched a nerve did I? Sorry I have to call out the junk you're apparently paid to market and defend (troll) on forums.
I know it's hard to imagine the fantasy world were commanders moved pieces of a division, or a piece of a regiment, or a piece of a battalion or pieces of several battalions, companies, regiments from a several divisions and made them into a battlegroup.
If I remember correctly the Germans did that quite a bit and even had a name for it, kampfgruppe: battlegroup? couldn't be! |
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schrecken
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| Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:36 am Post subject: Re: Is merging battlegroups really any good? |
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You are correct, user options abound.
"Battlegroups" in LSA represent many if not most of those formations you list... gve it a try you'll love it. |
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