[vonB]

Close Combat Operation Data manager for CC3/CoI is ready to start work producing an Editor.  While the ultimate goal is to make eveything modifiable, that's quite a large undertaking, and would make debugging and testing a much bigger job.

So...

I am planning to implement this in phases.  What I would like from anyone is suggestions on what values you would like to have first so you can play with them.  If you want to know what values are available, download the CCIIICoIBattleData.exe (0.0.0.5), and take a look at all the Fields available in all the Tabs.  Either that, or go through the Scenario Editor and identify values you would like to be able to play with.

Based on that, I can put together a prioritised list of values to work on, and do it in stages.

At this stage, what you will be getting is an Application that can basically create the same thing as that which you create when you use the Scenario Editor in CC3/CoI, but with unrestricted access to what values you can put in.

Although there is a much bigger and more ambitious game plan for CCODM, these are the first steps towards that.

For example, you might want to be able to specify 10 Barrages instead of 4.  The slots are there in the Scenario File, but we do not know if it will work, but that's what testing is all about.

As Schreck has already mentioned, if 10 Barrages will work, that might add a bit of spice to a WWI Mod?  (well, unless you are on the receiving end...   )

So please post your suggestions here.

[southern_land]

- deployeable mine fields

~ Deployable smoke screens at the start of the turn to help cloak attacking forces

[vonB]

Hi Shane.  Interesting suggestions  I hadn't thought of those.  Mainly because they are not part of the Scenario File.

However, isn't the 'Minefield' part of the Map Coding?  If so, then surely it can be modified by an Application, and I think this is a very interesting component, and I would like to look into this further.  You are a Map Guru, so you could help me greatly by pointing me in the right direction, so I would appreciate it if you could drop me a line (vonb@closecombat.ie).

There is no reason in principle that any of the Map Coding cannot be modified by an Application, though not having looked into it or tried it, this is only my guess.  I suppose MAFI would have some expert opnion and guidance as well?

The other comment about the smoke is also interesting, but I have no idea where to start.  If it is something that would have to be done purely from the CC Engine, then it's a non-starter for me to do.  Had you any thoughts on this?

[BerndN]

I checked shortly and minefields seem to be included in the map (Coi as well as LSA) and exploded mines in the tmp files belonging to a save game. Interesting question though as to where the mines are defined. I assume in one of the text ascii files but I would think that others know better.

Laying smoke would be great in any CC title. But I believe that it should be added via the artillery/planes stuff? Interesting though

[papa_whisky]

Changes in the attributes of the map elements are saved such as shell holes for example, so you should be able to alter those attributes to mine

[southern_land]

[southern_land]

Ok i'll go again  could CCODM be used to add extra bonus points for unit selection upon capture of VLs... or maybe even more fun, remove points from the unit selection on the next day... a sort of invert reward for success

[vonB]

I am definately going to look deeper into handling Mines, as I think something is do'able.  I also like the idea of not (necessarily) having Mines shown on the Map(s) particularly for the attacker.  They may (or may not) know that there are mines in the area, and as you say, not knowing would make the attacker consider their tactics more carefully.

However, it would seem sensible that the defender would know where the mines are, as they deployed them?  Mind you, this also gets interesting when there is ebb and flow, and attackers/defenders return to old ground perhaps in different ways.

[Pzt_Kanov]

I would be happy by saving my forces together with their operational history and medals and use them in another mod, Like I said, Play the 1941, 2nd SS or any other eastern campaign, save the soldiers with all their stats, load up another mod (western Front, afrika) and use my Eastern veterans.

Making the soldiers fit into new teams would be the hard part I think.

[vonB]

[CSO_Talorgan]

[vonB]

[CSO_Talorgan]

[CSO_Talorgan]

Have we asked the kind of questions you expected when you started this thread; or have we gone off leftfield?

[vonB]

Sort of as expected.  I expect the questions and requests to become more vigorous once there is a prototype available for people to muck around with...  

[CSO_Talorgan]

OK

[southern_land]

[vonB]

There is only one teency weency little problem with that; the Saved Game File doesn't deal with weapons and ammo...  Apart from that, it's a brilliant idea!  

[CSO_Talorgan]

[ArmeeGruppeSud]

Gday comrades

Having not played CC for near on a year, i cant think of any ideas for a scenario editor.

Some CCers though, have wanted to be able to start a campaign with the same men thay finished the previous campaign with, particularly with DOF which has 3 Campaigns which, consecutively, cover the Eastern front war, from beggining to end, using the 42 DOF campaign OPs.

When it comes to making a change to CC3/COI, the ONE thing, that would make the single biggest improvement to the game, would be if you could make it impossible for the AI to flee  

cheers

AGS