Imagine if you were a new player to the series and got a response like this. What a great impression it gives!
There is a old saying
You can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink. Trust me, mooxe is web site administrator, what could he possible know about tactics...
Here is your last chance. Monster Banzai charges at Yomitan Airfield against plenty of machine guns in open ground and the Americans defend with 15 teams, but GOT WIPED, every time.
Wow, you really do need help. I would have never known.
But in my last son's high school locker room there was lots of signage. But the two largest signs, were
DO NOT FUMBLE the Football. (well thats the cleaned up version) and ...
DO NOT GO AROUND Them. GO Through Them. (that is also the cleaned up version)
Go around if you want, but it might not be the best way to ... well you get the idea, I hope.
If any new player is reading this, ignore what Stwa's saying. He's wrong.
Here's why -
Football is not war. What works on a football pitch, doesn't work in war.
Look at the Battle of Cannae. The Romans tried to "go through" the Carthaginian lines, resulting in the single biggest defeat in the Ancient world.
Look at the Battle for France 1940. The Germans didn't "go through" the Maginot Line, they went around it.
Look at Rommel. His greatest victories came when he went around the enemy, rather than going through them.
Look at WW1. The huge numbers of men lost just because they were forced to attack an enemy in well fortified positions.
Look at Gettysburg. This is what you get when you decide to "go through them".
Don't attack an enemy in a well fortified position over open ground. Go around them.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
That being said, I'm looking for tips on how to cross open ground with infantry-only armies against dug-in MG42s and mortars. Does anyone have any tips? -TIK
I don't recall you mentioning fortifications. Just some machine guns and mortars, maybe in a trench or something.
I can tell you think so highly of yourself, that you havent researched the threads I linked in the prior posts.
Here we decide to attack with giant solders and they literally obliterated the American platoon.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
Stwa, I don't think highly of myself. I'm not an amazing player. I make mistakes. I lose battles. And I also don't mind admitting any of that.
The problem is that a few people here - you included - think that you're all amazing, and go around arrogantly claiming you are. Such an attitude doesn't do yourself any favours and only promotes a bigheaded and selfish attitude towards other players. The impression I'm getting is that noone's willing to help each other because when they ask for help they get trolled. Worse, the advice they're given is wrong.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
Maybe you are just not on my wavelength.
I don't EVER recall saying to ANYONE, that I was some beeg time MULTIPLAYER. Find ONE POST where I say that. So it's you that are trolling me.
Perhaps you should stop call everyone ARROGANT for starters. And it is possible, that there is no such thing as WRONG advise. If you like the advise, then fine, but just take anything with a grain of salt.
And I thought you said you where in to small maps. The problem with big maps, and they are getting bigger every release, is that you can go around. I can point you to other threads about that subject, but why bother.
Kick back, relax, and try to have some fun, that's what I am going to do.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
TIK, Stwa possesses a strange type of humor which I also have a hard time trying to understand. So, don't let him troll you.
Apart from that, about your question: If it is a short distance to the MG positions block the line of sight with lots of mortar-smoke rounds, supress the hell out of the MG position; then you can hope to succesfully charge. If the distance is large, then just try to avoid the direct route and circumvent it, use the bushes, other buildings etc. for cover. But better, really read that Pzt guide, because it mentions all these tactical aspects.
Welcome to multiplayer CC gaming! It is a whole new world, cannot even be compared to the single player game. It is like chess, you need to try to guess your opponent's moves, try to trick him, do some feint moves, surprise him etc. That's what is great about CC multiplayer games.
And yeah, this thread was originally about something else. So TIK, you can open a new thread for your questions regarding multiplayer. Or read some existing threads on multiplayer tactics.
Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
OK,
I am gonna finish my battle. Two more pics. I love this kind of action. I find it almost theraputic.
Notice how I skillfully used the east-west hedgerow, but could also claim that I was traversing open ground.
Notice the hanger was just a liability to the Germans, since I could use it to mask off one side of the their position.
I also really, really like, On-Call support. Not all Mass Rambo events work out. Some of the ones in Okinawa didn't, even after a few hundred rounds from the artillery.
So, does anyone want to comment on the outstanding gameplay of this last battle. I definately had fun.
TIK, Stwa possesses a strange type of humor which I also have a hard time trying to understand. So, don't let him troll you.
My feeling Stwa is - it's a cross between a troll and an offtopic spam robot. I guess I would not mind a script that hides all his posts - i'm tired to use mouse wheel.
My feeling Stwa is - it's a cross between a troll and an offtopic spam robot. I guess I would not mind a script that hides all his posts - i'm tired to use mouse wheel.
Oh mon dieu.
Je ne suis pas un troll. Et je croyais que tu étais mon ami.
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
That being said, I'm looking for tips on how to cross open ground with infantry-only armies against dug-in MG42s and mortars. Does anyone have any tips? -TIK
Notice there is NO mention of FOTIFICATIONS.
Nevertheless, I will submit a battle, where the Germans get a understrength rifle company, 3 MG teams, and two 81mm mortar teams. They also get a ridge to defend, with a castle (a fortification).
There are plenty of GOOD and useful tactics used in this battle. Can you see them?
The battle represents GREAT gameplay. Totally fun.
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
The NOOBS would have us all believe that flank marching around the entire enemy position is a tactic that should be supported by a game that sponsors SQUAD level combat.
Flank marches require larger maps, and the community can ONLY envision this tactic to rememedy any tough situation on the battlefield. NO other tactics are comtemplated or developed. Hence, we NOW have huge maps for every new release.
Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:26 am Post subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
The battle I have presented is great gameplay. It does NOT seem realistic to me.
I am not sure if it is historical. I have no idea if there was such a place as Riviere with a castle, and if there was, I am not sure if this is what the country side looked like.
Also, for the most part, I use the same basic teams that came with CC5. I am sure someone here can deem them NOT historical or accurate.
And what about the combat. Is it accurate?
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