David, do you understand the laws of probabilities?
Setting:
4 different balls.
The balls can only be attached as the image illustrates: (Gray can only be attach to Green, Green can only be attach to Blue, Blue can only be attach to Red.)
Lets say that we have a basket with the 4 different balls. And you take a random ball,
Now, consider the the law of probability, and tell me what the chance that they attach, Gray-Green-Blue-Red, as the image illustrate:
David, please help me here, give me the probability of this event
CLUE #2
An English proverb:
Those who live in glass houses, ought not throw stones
This time Jesus will give you the clue:
CLUE #3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.(Luke 6:41f; Matthew 7:3-5)
There are racists in all continents, exept in the "all white continet"....:
Don't be so naive my little friend, there are humans living on antarctica (albeit temporarily) and where there are humans, almost invariably, there is racism
As the thread name say, its about religion... So, for the post to have a meaning, link the racism to the Christian church or something...:
Dear dear me
OOPS, Youarehaving reading problems
Not only cant you follow the topical ebb and flow of posts, but now you have misread the thread's topic title.
Maybe you have lost your reading glasses again?
ok, i will assist you
please scroll down
Heated political/religious discussions
Please note, that both MF's post (which you should have attacked due to its lack of religion content, you hypocrite) and my post, both had political content
Because the post i am now answerring is based totally upon the confusion within your mind which caused you to jump to yet another wrong conclusion, therfore, your followup post, which was motivated by and based entirely upon, your wrong conclusion, becomes completely irrelevant.
Anders Breiviks never saw the grand picture like you do AGS, Breivik was so conservative... Why kill 77 people, when one can kill 1000 muslimes on a boat..
1st their boats never hold 1000 people so you are just exagerating like a girl as usual.
Most have less than 100, though 100-150 is common most i have heard of is about 177.
2nd, if you wore your reading glasses, you would have noticed there was no mention of killings involved in my statements. Yes i said sink a couple of their boats and let them swim back to shore.
Yers, i admit i did mention the possibility that some may drown.
Guess i inadvertedly forgot to mention our Navy supplying life jackets to the passnegers.
In any event, even with the life jackets people can still drown. We wont mention sharks.
Actually, that is 100% correct, it would save thousands of lives.
Every year, 500-1000 of these illegal immigrants drown at sea, your picture that you supplied is an excellent illustration why it happens, thankyou for providing it
If, hypothetically, the navy sank 2 illegal immigrant boats, and all lives were lost, maybe 2-3 hundred may drown (thats only if the Navy sank the boats by blasting them with the passengers on board, something that i did not specify, just part of Stalky's warpedimagination).
If said atrocity convinced the people not to board the people smuggler's boats, the number of lives saved, we will say, conservitively, 500 per year.
So over ten years, it would save about 5000 lives.
If you had the choice to save (A), 300 lives, or, (B), 5000 lives, which would you choose AT_Stalky?
The Catholic Church is not what Christianity is about, it has nothing to do with me or my faith and i have nothing to do with it. If you have a problem with Catholicism, thats fine, so do i, we are on the same side
”As such, I don’t support the deportation of non-Muslims from Europe as long as they are fully assimilated … We have cultures that we’d like to preserve”
My favourite workmate is part aboriginal, i had a friend at Bible College who was a black Kenyan and my wife is 100% asian, so you can't throw the racist crap at me either
”The word ”race”, “white”, “ethnic” or ”nationalist” for that matter should never be used in modern debates with adversaries or individuals who may have been subject to severe indoctrination.”
”On a different note, Racial Conservatism is dead and should not IN ANY WAY be linked rhetorically to Cultural Conservatism (Racial Conservatism died in WW2).
Really, regarding these illegal immigrant boat people (incorrectly labelled "Asylum seeking refugees")we should just sink their boats, and let the swim home or drown. they would soon stop coming.
”Because today’s Nazism isn’t the sum of the individual doctrines of National Socialism! It has rather become a massively bloated phenomenon – a reincarnation of pure evil itself. ”
Perhaps I should have placed Anders Breiviks quotes in one list, and yours in another.. But to be honest as they sound so alike, I just cant sort em out..
AGS,
Can we call Martin Luther A) the father of the Protestant Church and the über-Führer of Nazy idiolegy, or is he better described as B) an anti-Semite?
This is not a rhetorical question, (A), or (B)??
Either you answer it, honestly, or you should never post in this thread again.
David, please help me here, give me the probability of this event
To be honest I don't know the method of calculating these types of questions easily, and I don't have the time to try and figure it out ... so please explain. I enjoy learning new things
To be honest I don't know the method of calculating these types of questions easily, and I don't have the time to try and figure it out ... so please explain.
a9
No calculation needed.
Yeh, you don’t need a master level degree in mathematical analysis in economics and financials to do this...
The correct answer is 1/1, or 100 % of the times. Actually, as you lift one random ball out of the basket the balls are allready conected.
Now, think sand grains in a bucket, or even better atoms in the water and how they link up. Probability is about the stage and the set.
No calculation needed.
Yeh, you don’t need a master level degree in mathematical analysis in economic and financials to do this...
The correct answer in 1/1, or 100 % of the times. Actually, as you lift one random ball out of the basket the balls are allready conected.
hmm, I'm not impressed. I thought you were going to present an interesting method of calculating random events, something like this perhaps ...
http://users.stargate.net/~mcconmy/colf.html
I did a few quick searches of probability, which I found interesting ... so thanks for being the catalyst for that. :)
oops, just saw the "a9" ... so, thanks for the laugh at my expense ...
hmm, I'm not impressed. I thought you were going to present an interesting method of calculating random events, something like this perhaps ....
Of coarse you not impressed.
Sadly you failed to see the beauty in this simple and all to obvious solution to the problem, and its implications on calculating probabilities in a 3D world..
hmm, I'm not impressed. I thought you were going to present an interesting method of calculating random events, something like this perhaps ....
Of coarse you not impressed.
Sadly you failed to see the beauty in this simple and all to obvious solution to the problem, and its implications on calculating probabilities in a 3D world..
I didn't take the time to understand your probability problem properly ... I thought you meant what are the chances of selecting a gray ball first, then green, blue, red. Then attach them with string ... for some reason.
In your first image the balls aren't connected in the basket.
Then I thought you were just trying to be funny by posting a silly mind problem, similar to those found in newspapers and chain emails. Upon further examination, I see you were also trying to make a point about something.
Besides that, what happens if you select the red ball first from your basket ... then they are connected opposite your Gray-Green-Blue-Red order that you made as a condition of your experiment. Similar to selecting any other ball first, other than Gray.
I don't think you have thought this through very well :)
I also don't see any relevance to the typing monkeys problem ... can you please explain what point you are trying to make?
Keep in mind that the typing monkeys problem was presented as a way of explaining the complexity of our natural world/universe by suggested that time was the miracle ... and that given enough time, complex and intelligent live forms could be created by random events. If you read the info found in the link, you'll see a further explanation of the typing monkeys theory and how it has been proven nearly impossible by math (under the conditions it was first presented).
Besides that, what happens if you select the red ball first from your basket ... then they are connected opposite your Gray-Green-Blue-Red order that you made as a condition of your experiment. Similar to selecting any other ball first, other than Gray. I don't think you have thought this through very well .
Hehe
Remember: "(Gray can only be attach to Green, Green can only be attach to Blue, Blue can only be attach to Red.) "
Implicitly that means: The red ball only attach to the blue ball, and blue ball only attach to green ball, and green ball only attach to the gray ball...
If you pick the green ball it’s attached with blue and then red at once side. And at the other side its connected with the gray ball..
No matter what ball you select from the 2D basket, the ball is already connected to the other balls as the illustration ought to show you...
I thought you meant what are the chances of selecting a gray ball first, then green, blue, red.
For argues sake, Let’s pretend that the problem is like you “understood” the problem. Then it should have been easy enough to solve the probability: If the balls are in seperate baskets, and you randomly pick a ball and the condition is that you must start with the gray ball, the solution is: A) 1/4x1/3x1/2x1/1
If you need to start with any of the side balls, ie: the gray or red ball, the prob is: B) 1/2x1/3x1/2x1/1
See the differance between A) and B), a very imortant differance in a linear one axis situation, the probability differance just depending on what you are alowed to start with. ... Think nature... Does a serie need to start from one direction only? H->O->H or can it be: H<O>H or does the order matter, if you shake someones hand, who of you two was the first to do it...??
Under the condition above as you "understood it"... If the ball you start with doesn’t matter, ie: the first ball can have any color. And then you pick random balls that must link to that ball as described above, etc...
David, then what’s the prob for that the event is happening? Help me here..
As you can see, you now have three very different probabilitys in the same set, in the same linear one axis stage. It just depends on the condition you are allowed to start under....
And if you now take this same set with its 4 balls, and take them to the 2D basket in the illustration above, you ought to see that the probability becomes a sertenty that the event is happening.. Wow, we now have 4 different probabilitys, with the same balls still connecting in the same way.. ...
If you read the info found in the link, you'll see a further explanation of the typing monkeys theory and how it has been proven nearly impossible by math (under the conditions it was first presented).
Na, that was not the point I made. But... As the illustration and explanation dint fined fertile soile... and... as we are moving away from simple linear probability wich you dint understand, and we are now in 3D world or probability.. I doubt...
beer and bad english many edits make..
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
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do you have any examples?
of coz - see many threads on this forum, this one in particular, like:
you and AGS see everything in 2 colors (see Dictator movie) - black and white, but that is not correct as everything is grey.
and the ones who does see like you makes the most ugly atricities in the Human history.
very nice that you have added this to your reply - edit buton rocks, eh?
What you really don't understand, basing on your replies here, is that you just show how is bad and stupid to be religious....
Shame actually, as I was baptized 1 year ago (although my whole life was basing on the rules mentioned in your lovely book) as i felt I needed it...
During the last month there were 2 Orthodox priests who had car accidents in Moscow - one was driving BMW Z4 and another Mercedes Gelandewagen - the latter killed 2 people. Sorry I don't believe in such church.
In case you would like to say it was becoz of Orthodox, I will remind you about childs molesting cases that came to public not so long ago....
Na, that was not the point I made. But... As the illustration and explanation dint fined fertile soile... and... as we are moving away from simple linear probability wich you dint understand, and we are now in 3D world or probability.. I doubt...
I never said I was smart ... but thanks for taking the time to lower yourself to my level (for my benefit). I'll not burden you with such a weight any longer
I never said I was smart ... but thanks for taking the time to lower yourself to my level (for my benefit). I'll not burden you with such a weight any longer
Yeh, mocking someone’s abilities is not that nice… Karma..
The thread you pointed to David. Isn’t really about monkeys typing…OK… its an analogy.
The point is amino acids lining up, and the probability of that creating life -> evolution. Evolution in a 3D world…
My point is that nature is not a one axis linear event, where there is a condition that say that one need to start in one end or the other, but rather one may start any ware… And in a 3D world, probabilities of attaching is not the same as in a simple linear world.
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Heated political/religious discussions
David,
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I better get back to things around here anyway ... there's a few monkeys not meeting there required quota of ten characters per second
don't be insulted please - I just see what I see.
and i hope that alegory (see quaote) was not aimed at the guy who was always talking very friendly to you.
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