Mana
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 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:33 am Post subject: Kursk 1943 |
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Hello,
A while aggo I replied in a thread about close combat in 3D here I was catched about the idea of a 3D version of closecombat.
Anyway I started experimenting with some graphics. Some elements are usable in 3D but the image shown is perfect for a 2D version, perhaps a new eastern front conversion of close combat panthers in the fog which I'd love to see in the future.
Regards,
Mana
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DAK_Legion
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Wow!
impressive!i would like to play kursk on pitf!
would be great!
plase more pic,more details about this mod Maná!
thanks
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Mana
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Thanks legion!
I hope there are other people that find the subject of modding Pitf interesting, because I cannot do it on my own at least that would cost me a full year :)
Anyway here's a render of the tiger tank which I created, it is a fair low poly tiger and not fully textured yet. Curently I'm working on a test strat map and a new vehicle.
More coming soon!
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Mana
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Here's another render based uppon the Tiger Ausf. E from 2nd SS 'Das Reich', the 3D model gives allot of mobility in texturing and other conversions thus creating a realistic vehicle in close combat.
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Cathartes
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| looks great, well done. However at the scale of PitF you would lose a lot of the great resolution we see in these images. Would still look outstanding in-game.
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Tejszd
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| Looks and sounds good!
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tigercub
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:41 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| intresting!
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The best Target is the one you just Hit!
Started with CC1 Demo |
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southern_land
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| looks very cool. Would you have the variety of maps to make a kursk mod interesting?
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Mana
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Thanks for the replies!
Although I have been struggling to create a full conversion for close combat in the past now I'm able to visually express a concept.
But I remember how great mods like GJS where created (community dependent) A team was formed full of enthousiastic close combat players, this team consisted out of researchers, map makers, data editors and sound editors (sometimes multiple functions where assigned to one person)
My point is that I'm trying to form a group of enthousiasts, because I cannot create a full conversion on my own. I beleive that a great mod can only be created through a group of players together with the community.
I guess that an eastern front mod has not been the biggest topic so far. And Kursk 1943 would be interesting because of the variaty of battles that can take place; Battles for cities like Oryol, Belgorod, Kharkov and rural battles (It's also the first operation where the Russians succeeded to repel a German blitzkrieg operation!)
Anyway I could be wrong thats why I need a group that consists out of;
- Researchers
- Data editors
- Map makers
- Sound editors
For now I'll keep posting content, mainly vehicles.
Kind regards,
mana
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southern_land
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| What are you looking to recreate? The whole kursk battle, one salient? or just a small portion?
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DAK_Legion
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Salient south for my is the best option!
volunteer for help if you want;)
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Dima
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Any salient is too large for CC.
My advise is to go for some limited actions (left or right shoulder of the South Salient) with limited area and limited forces for both sizes.
Tip:
use Zetterling's Kursk for the info on German side and this one for the RA side (http://www.amazon.fr/Demolishing-Myth-Prokhorovka-Operational-Narrative/dp/1906033897/ref=sr_1_19?s=english-books&ie=UTF8&qid=1317038916&sr=1-19).
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pvt_Grunt
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:37 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| Dima wrote (View Post):
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Any salient is too large for CC.
My advise is to go for some limited actions (left or right shoulder of the South Salient) with limited area and limited forces for both sizes.
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Perhaps you could use the entire area for the strat map, use divisions as BG's and have the battle map represent a small portion of that divisional battle.
The maps would not be continous, but an abstraction of the scale. What do you think?
According to this map, the Germans had 33 divisions in the attack. I believe PitF can use up to 36 BG's
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_53RSwgpGzWw/S62ZcBoK2ZI/AAAAAAAAAcY/AsYD_Fsncus/s1600/mapKurst.jpg
The Russian side has many more units, so historical accuracy cannot be used or the game would be too one sided.
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Dima
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Perhaps you could use the entire area for the strat map, use divisions as BG's and have the battle map represent a small portion of that divisional battle.
The maps would not be continous, but an abstraction of the scale. What do you think?
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IMO CC is not a strategical wargame and it's beauty is ability to represent small unit actions with great details, so I'd stick to battalion size BGs, maybe regiment at maximum for the RA.
So taking f.e. 2.SS-PzK actions with 3 divisions would allow to have each battalion represented for both sides or 48.PzK - 5 divisions or AK "Kempf" - 6 divisions. Each of them had very intensed, interesting and different actions during the Kursk offensive.
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DAK_Legion
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:03 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Good idea Dima;)
a style cc3!
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southern_land
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| Dima wrote (View Post):
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Perhaps you could use the entire area for the strat map, use divisions as BG's and have the battle map represent a small portion of that divisional battle.
The maps would not be continous, but an abstraction of the scale. What do you think?
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IMO CC is not a strategical wargame and it's beauty is ability to represent small unit actions with great details, so I'd stick to battalion size BGs, maybe regiment at maximum for the RA.
So taking f.e. 2.SS-PzK actions with 3 divisions would allow to have each battalion represented for both sides or 48.PzK - 5 divisions or AK "Kempf" - 6 divisions. Each of them had very intensed, interesting and different actions during the Kursk offensive.
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I'd agree with that or maybe even aim lower with Div vs Corps if somewhere could be found where one German Div faced a RA Corps
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Dima
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| southern_land wrote (View Post):
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Perhaps you could use the entire area for the strat map, use divisions as BG's and have the battle map represent a small portion of that divisional battle.
The maps would not be continous, but an abstraction of the scale. What do you think?
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IMO CC is not a strategical wargame and it's beauty is ability to represent small unit actions with great details, so I'd stick to battalion size BGs, maybe regiment at maximum for the RA.
So taking f.e. 2.SS-PzK actions with 3 divisions would allow to have each battalion represented for both sides or 48.PzK - 5 divisions or AK "Kempf" - 6 divisions. Each of them had very intensed, interesting and different actions during the Kursk offensive.
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I'd agree with that or maybe even aim lower with Div vs Corps if somewhere could be found where one German Div faced a RA Corps
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Well, f.e. basically there were 12 combat battalions in SS-PzD so 2.SS-PzK can be precisely represented by 36 battalion-sized BGs and it was against elements of 6th GA and 1st TA. The RA army was basically same or smaller size as the German Korps.
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DAK_Legion
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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You remember this??
A old idea For CC5
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Dima
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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| DAK_Legion wrote (View Post):
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You remember this??
A old idea For CC5
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well, of course many will like that as well 
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Pzt_Kanov
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Kursk 1943 |
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Mana, your work with the 3D graphics is amazing I think that's actually how they did the models for CC since cc4 (or 3??) to capture the 'tilt'.
I always thought CC had a lack of small graphics mods regarding vehicles, maybe the way the files are set up has something to do with it but other games need to unpack and repack their graphics files too and they do have single unit mods. Although its true that you can take by yourself different vehicles graphics from different mods and incorporate them into your own personal modified CC but you have to download full mods for that.
As with the Kursk mod I hope we can play it someday as it is a very famous, big, important and underrepresented battle in CC.
I wish you to succeed with this and I hope we can see more vehicles!
Cheers.
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