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Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by ANZAC_Tack on Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:45 pm (User Info | Send a Message)
again, shocked with results.
yes air power was a major asset for allies, but still, the numbers...the ships,tanks,men,supplies....yes DDAY would of certainly of been delayed,as air superiority was the priority,same as was german thinking in 43'.
IF germany had air superiority,then yes landings may of failed with massed air strikes of shipping and soldiers/tanks, but im talking hundrens of comets,me262/prop planes by thousands, where did the fuel/pilots/factories come from though? a win in russia was the only way!or at least a truce with fuel...and steel...then maybe a tempoary staling, untill little boy landed in berlin first...
I am sure atleast some of those "yes" votes are people who just like to vote for the underdog. The war would of been much bloodier with air parity but they would of lost anyways. They were outnumbered in tanks and men by Russia alone.
Eventually, Germany would have fallen, just because of the allies industry, but if the Germans had air parity, it would have delayed many actions, and delayed the war. If Germany wanted to win, it should have finished off Great Britain, turned on the Russians with full force, taken Sweden, then cleaned up the Middle East. Only that would have given them the supplies they needed, and would have given them enough supplies for an air parity anyway.
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by Polemarchos on Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:58 am (User Info | Send a Message)
in terms relative military power - definately no!
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by Meinteil on Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:30 pm (User Info | Send a Message)
I'm gonna take "Air Parity" to it's logical extreme...
If the Germans had had "Air Parity" with ALL the Allies, would they have still lost the Battle of Britain? Would they have been able to get the badly needed supplies and fuel to North Afrika, and then prevented the bombing of the Afrika Korps (Spelling??) which contributed in a big way to it's demise?
Would the Il-2, Thunderbolt, Typhoon, et al have still been the scourge of German ground forces? Would Stukas have been able to strike British radar installations and Soviet T-34s with the same ease as the French defensive positions in '40? And much can be made of German lack of industrial production when compared with the combined might of the Allies. But if no B-24s, 17s, Lancasters etc were allowed to get close to their targets, industrial production would not have suffered as much, and resources could have been diverted to the Eastern Front.
Don't forget, Germany succeeded in invading France for two reasons: Innovative use of mechanised forces AND air superiority. In a combined arms force, air power is as important as any other arm of the military.
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by GLIE on Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:18 pm (User Info | Send a Message)
good morning (sorry for my poor english, i'm just french :-)
So maybe d day operations could be a real problem for allies if germans had air parity.
Air Power supposes enough supplies in petrol.
In normandy campaign panzerdivision losses were high due to air attacks.
Second assesment supposes too, a larger amount of ME262 available in fighter version instead of bomber version.
At the end of the war aircraft constructions were increased in germany but there was a lack of experimented pilots and a lack of petrol due to gradually loss of oil fields.
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by Ixe on Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:39 am (User Info | Send a Message)
Air power makes all te difference. Imagine not a single german panzer getting destoyed by air forces of the allies.
The russians only gained the upper hand by claiming the air over russia.
What if not the german industry was bommed but the russian was?!
But just keep it simple, look at the modern warfare. Americans would not even think about driving to baghdad with Iraqi air superiority!
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by scavy on Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:00 am (User Info | Send a Message)
Even if the German airforce could match the Allied airforce in numbers, which was hard considering the lack of pilots, or in skill, considering the lack of veterans on the German side, the Germans could not have maintained even an even footing with the Allies simply because of industry, eventually they would have been ground to a halt and destroyed, justas they were.
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by rumilodin on Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:43 am (User Info | Send a Message)
Even They had equal air forces, Germany had no alloys to build new plane's to place which are lost in fight nor fuel to use them effectively. So by the time they would be destroyed due to being outnumbered by Allied Air Forces who has unlimited source of alloys and fuel. So Hitler was so generous as he had dared to occupy Russia with limited resources...
It would have played out differently, but Germany could not have outproduced the USA (and don't forget the behemoth of the Soviet Union). The would have lost in the end, but it migh have been on different terms...
Re: Could Germany have won WW2 if air parity existed?(Score: 1) by Chubb on Wed Feb 16, 2011 9:19 am (User Info | Send a Message)
The Wehrmacht experienced air parity in 1942 and were not able to win at that point. If the original case blue strategy had been followed then Stalingrad would have come out differently, but they still were too stretched to beat the Russians in that year. The rebuilding of the red army from 1943 onwards meant that the best the Axis could achieve was a draw.
By 1944 not accounting for air-power the simple wastage of men and equipment and difference in logistics meant that they inevitably would lose. The casualties that the Red army managed to sustain in Bagration is an enormous indicator to what could be achieved as is the tonnage of ammunition available to the US in late war.
Both personnel and logistics count against the Axis.
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