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#1: All is Quiet on the CCS Front Author: Pzt_Kevin_dtn, Location: USA

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:06 pm
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Hey where the Hell is everyone?

Things have been pretty quiet here as of late. Not too much activity outside of a few comments on SOC, TRSM or CCMT. Where is the silent majority who ducks in and out of here and through the single play ranks of each mod. There are supposedly over 21,000 members of this site. WHERE ARE YOU?!?

Come and join the Multiplayer Ranks of Close Combat! Its a whole new world that is far superior to playing the AI. Make a post here in CCS, there are plenty of people here who can direct you to the right answers. Check out the Technical Support thread in the forums for some guidance.

We need to keep this great game alive and kicking for years to come.

You will find a lot of multiplayers logged into GameSpy. Come and play, take some lumps, learn the multiplayer game and have some fun.

See you on the battlefield.

Pzt_Kevin_dtn

#2: Re: All is Quiet on the CCS Front Author: pzjager, Location: Paris

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:40 pm
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Pzt_Kevin_dtn wrote:

Hey where the Hell is everyone?

Things have been pretty quiet here as of late. Not too much activity outside of a few comments on SOC, TRSM or CCMT. Where is the silent majority who ducks in and out of here and through the single play ranks of each mod. There are supposedly over 21,000 members of this site. WHERE ARE YOU?!?

Come and join the Multiplayer Ranks of Close Combat! Its a whole new world that is far superior to playing the AI. Make a post here in CCS, there are plenty of people here who can direct you to the right answers. Check out the Technical Support thread in the forums for some guidance.

We need to keep this great game alive and kicking for years to come.

You will find a lot of multiplayers logged into GameSpy. Come and play, take some lumps, learn the multiplayer game and have some fun.

See you on the battlefield.

Pzt_Kevin_dtn

Hi Kevin,

Quiet? Yes and no.

Yes because some mistakes in the CC comunity have been made recently, leading to a part of the current situation.
No, because the moders, the only ones who can keep CC alive, are not sleeping. SquadLeader is currently working on a very nice mod regarding a battle which is not well known by anybody. The pics you can have from this mod are awesome. Koursk is still on the tracks. A french team is working on it. You can be sure that the mod will be released and will be a killer. SDK:DK is on the tracks. Bir Hakeimas well, these two ones from myself. Polemarchos and his team are working on a mod in the balkans which might be awesome..... etc... Please accept my apologies if I have forgotten (and I have!)a new mod coming.

Kevin, CC is still alive and has just been ill from being invaded by some people who wanted to do it commercial. Just be sure that I will continue from my side to do CC mods and I will don't care about the number of people who doxnload them. Why? Because I will do them as a passion. Not for money. Not for Glory. JUst for you.

Cheers
Frederic

#3: Author: Pzt_Kevin_dtn, Location: USA

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:39 pm
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I do agree that the mod makers greatly increase the interest and life expectancy of CC and I am also aware that there are a number of mods currently under development. Another one to add to your list would be Buck_Compton's Battle of Scheldt.

The point that I am trying to press is that we more often than not see the same old voices contributing to the posts here. There are some new voices that post from time to time but I would like to see A LOT more people get engaged with CC and come out and play multiplayer. If there are so many people interested in CC, where are they?

As always, I am indebted to you and the other mod makers, the webiste managers, and clans who have kept CC alive all these years and continue to make it a great game.

Thank you and Let's keep it going.

#4: Author: dgfred, Location: N.C., USA

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:51 pm
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Hey Kevin, why don't you post some of your AARs from your MP games? I'm
sure it would get ton's of interest and maybe draw in a bunch of players. I
would love to hear some stories and see some screenies- even single games.
Newer players would likely be fascinated and you could even go over some
of the 'gentlemen's rules' for playing h2h.

#5: Author: 7A_Ghoa10, Location: Spain

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:21 pm
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i agree with kevin, where are they? real fun is play multiplayer games.

#6: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:24 am
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Thanks for mentioning BoS45, PJ...we're moving on to the maps now (in between SoC battles Very Happy

)

Drizzt was going to update 2nd Khakov...he's been quiet.

Also L4W's Operation Husky mod idea sounds promising.

The forum's been very quiet lately though...speak people! Smile

#7: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:42 am
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I haven't seen CSO so boring in years.The only interesting thread is Drill's open call for a programer and he doesnt respond.
Links are gone.
Site gets hacked all the time.
Downloads/Links dont work.

Maybe a flame war is needed?
Anyone in particular you want to see me start a fight with? Smile

The CC Community severely needs the CC6 release that hopefully will include a MASSIVE overhaul in graphics,gameplay,strategy.

mods are not enough anymore.

#8: Author: Searry, Location: Finland

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:49 am
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You forgot the Battle of Vukowar, Pzjager.

#9: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:00 am
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Aslo

Two mods for CCMT in the works

Yukongold has something special for CC4 fans on the way

#10: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:46 pm
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i am busy with studies, but CC is a live-time commitment Smile

back on track as soon as I pass that final exams !

Looking forwards for all that mods in progress !

#11: Author: CSO_Talorgan,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:54 pm
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platoon_michael wrote:

Maybe a flame war is needed?

No!

That would just be a waste of time, a distraction from the game at hand. This community is too fractured as it is.

I think we squabble too much. You don't see the Steel Panthers crew posting-while-drunk, or making ungentlemanly comments.

#12: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:44 pm
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You don’t see the Steel Panthers admins, moderators, shear leaders, so called “game developers”, and “want to be’s” post in every thread making the grass rot participators feel like spectators either. And even laugh at the posters expense or scare em, censuring em ..

Or, If Im wrong please tell me...

#13: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:12 pm
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There are not any problems with interest in CC that can be rules out. There have never been so many visitors at CCS as it is now.

Jan 2007 compared to Jan 2008 there has been more then a doubling of visitors.
No doubt has the CSO debacle increased the amount of visitors here at CCS, but still... More than 100% increase in a year tells the story of grate interest in CC..

So, if there is little diversity in posters, that’s even more strange.

#14: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:26 pm
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So most visitors are just lurking in the forums...or just downloading CC stuff without even going to the forums Wink

#15: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:54 pm
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Quote:

Jan 2007 compared to Jan 2008 there has been more then a doubling of visitors.
No doubt has the CSO debacle increased the amount of visitors here at CCS, but still... More than 100% increase in a year tells the story of grate interest in CC..

I wonder if the new releases have some small part to play?

What do you think?

There is a whole bunch of new , fresh, CC players out there looking for mods, tips and a helping hand.

Hey, they may even be looking for encouragement.

#16: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:58 pm
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squadleader_id

Sry, I expressed my self not clear

I clarify,
I talked about page views was up +100%, so that’s actually viewed, and hopefully read pages in the forum. So there is grate interest in the forum. Thus also in CC I guess.

So, if problem with few posters, that’s even more strange.

I believe that CC forums ought to have a wide grass rot participation, many people take care of the answer questions and helping out to there best of there ability.
I do believe that’s the whole idea with this grate site.
Sharing there ideas, thoughts, complains, joy of the CC series, losses and victorys.

Active Participation ads value to CC, if someone feels reduced to a spectator it removes the fun out of CC. Remove the fun, and one lose the visitors, (Im sure most of us believe that).

Thats my opinion and strong belive

#17: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:18 pm
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schrecken

"encouragement", and if they complain about CCMT, which they do, and I do understand why. (do you?)

But, that’s not the topic, I have established that there is an increase in visitors. Thus there’s not the problem.
So stay on topic please.

Someone feel that there’s to few posters (seem to be the topic), to little diversely. And amounts of page views suggest that to, maybe.

So what you plan here, do your best for CCS as you have done for CSO forum?

Please inform me

#18: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:30 pm
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Sorry, I don't understand what you have written.

I'm just a poster at CSO forums, with the ability to delete spam.

I give technical support where I can.

I managed to get the CSO download section just about up to date after it was neglected for so long.

Then the site started it's technical troubles, which still continue.

I put together a site that supports community mods , maps etc for the latest releases http://closecombat.matrixgames.com/ as no one else, bar CSO, put in any effort to support the latest releases with server space.

I don't spend my time winging and whining about what should be done, I do something about it....

I intend to continue spending my spare time in this fashion.

If this isn't to your liking...tough, get over it and make a mod, play a game, or do the maccarana... I don't care.

#19: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:32 pm
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Just goes to show, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1697318

#20: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:33 pm
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That was an intresting answer, was that what we call a CV?

I made a simple statement: "So what you plan here, do your best for CCS as you have done for CSO forum?"

Why did I make that statement, Rolling Eyes

how stupid of me, what was I thinking, no doubt you do exact the same for CCS as you have for CSO.
A simple "yes or no" whould have been enough.

Btw, is there any visitors left at CSO forum theas days?

#21: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:41 pm
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schrecken wrote:

Just goes to show, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1697318

Yeh, amazing isn’t it. I have not reached out to him to my best knowledge...
Yeh, my influence is so grate every prospect war game buyer contact me and follow my advice, sad I gave CCMT 2 stars of 5 possible..

His post seem rare, but maybe true.
Just wonder how he feel after play the one map single battles 100 times?
And, as he say he’s new to CC, I wonder how his opinion would have been if he compared it to, lets say CC5?

But yeh, Interesting.

But hey, what that have to do with the topic?

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#22: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:43 pm
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Your siimple question was loaded, so I fired it back.

As for CV's ... yours wins the moaners award.

I wonder if there is a positive post from you?

#23: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:54 pm
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Award, like the Iron Cross?

Moaning, yeh, after waiting for 8 years for a new CC, better CC? What you bring me? CCMT..
No, im sorry, it’s not to my liking at all. And thats not personal, just my opinion. Sorry about that.
My wish is simple, give me a CC better than CC5.. Is that to much to ask?

The consumer complains, and you do what??

Back to the old CSO style?

#24: Author: Pzt_Kevin_dtn, Location: USA

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:27 am
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Ok, I'm the one who started this post. I'm going to comment on the posts being made with regards to CSO and CCMT and then return back to the original purpose of this this thread.

Re: CSO - I used to access GS_Marcks (sp?) CC site way back when until it died and then I went searching and came across CSO. I have to thank CSO for making GJS available and for providing some feedback on how to manually load it before the plugins were ever available. But then CSO struggled providing support and got a little screwy and so I went searching and came across this little GEM called Closecombatseries.net (CCS). Quite frankly CSO doesn't compare very well to CCS from a functionality, access, and popularity standpoint. Mooxe and company have done an excellent job with this site and supporting CC junkies like me. That being said, I am in support of any effort that promotes the continued life and welfare of Close Combat as a whole. So I wish CSO continued success and applaud their efforts at trying to support and advance the interests of CC as a whole.

CCMT - I'm afraid I'm going to have to side with Stalky on this one. I am about as hardcore a CC'er as you will find in the CC community having played 1000's of games over the past many years from CC1 in the begining up to the present. I purchased retail every single CC game (except CoI) and bought CCMT back in November. Hell I even supported Atomic back in the V for Victory and World at War days. So I am a consumer and customer. SO HERE IS SOME VALID AND QUALIFIED CUSTOMER FEEDBACK FOR YOU. Putting it politely, CCMT fell siginificantly short of expectation, was poorly developed and marketed, and quite frankly has NOT been the least bit impressive.

Now understand I WANTED it to be good, I HOPED for the next best thing but quite frankly the CCMT team really mucked it up with this commercial release. But maybe that's the problem, maybe it was never meant for commercial release but was thrown out there anyway to make a quick buck.

Now some very good and constructive feedback has been provided within this website on the shortfalls of CCMT. I'm not going to take the time to spell it all out again. Mooxe and company put it to words quite nicely. Please understand that the feedback is being provided by people who are interested in seeing the success of CC. We are your customers and we're telling you what's wrong with your product so that you can improve it. Quit being so damn defensive. Now I do understand that a patch has been made that has taken into account some of the feedback. But I was so disenchanted with CCMT that I haven't touched it since December and haven't bothered to download the patch. How's that for consumer feedback.

Hopefully some valuable lessons have been learned from the development and marketing of CCMT that can be applied to the next release. Here's hoping the rerelease of CCV goes well and that CC6 will some day show up and knock the socks off all of us. Best of luck.

Returning to the purpose of this thread. I'm mainly interested in seeing the silent single playing majority to come out of the shadows and participate more actively and ESPECIALLY in a multiplayer role. We who player h2h religiously do not bite and will help you enjoy the game that much more.

So come on out to Gamespy and challenge someone to a fight.

Pzt_Kevin_dtn
Major
Pzt CC Gruppe

http://www.geocities.com/panzertruppen1/PztCCGruppe2.html

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#25: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:25 am
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Quote:

Best of luck.

Thanks, appreciate it.

#26: Author: CSO_Talorgan,

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:46 am
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What is the origin of the CCS vs CSO conflict anyway?

(... or is this a "just don't go there" subject?)

I was absent-building-a-house when it all happened.

#27: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 4:09 pm
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CSO_Talorgan wrote:

What is the origin of the CCS vs CSO conflict anyway?

(... or is this a "just don't go there" subject?)

I was absent-building-a-house when it all happened.

i wasnt aware of any conflict. one thing however is different... if you criticize CCMT, you get bad reputation on CSO, which is like:

pls comment, freedom speech, upps wrong answer.

CCS is like an agora, with freedom of speech, while CSO seem to me like an oligarchical rhethoric odeon with a limited understanding of tolerance.

#28: Author: pzjager, Location: Paris

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:40 pm
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CSO_Talorgan wrote:

What is the origin of the CCS vs CSO conflict anyway?

In my mind, CSO did too much ignore new talents....

I remember having proposed SDK some 1 year ago... THen immediately after A hacker coming from Italy hacked the mod. CSO did support him. CCS did not.CSO did here a mistake.

I don't say that it is THE reason. It is ONE of the reasons.

Cheers
PJ

#29: Author: pzjager, Location: Paris

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:49 pm
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Polemarchos wrote:

CSO_Talorgan wrote:

What is the origin of the CCS vs CSO conflict anyway?

(... or is this a "just don't go there" subject?)

I was absent-building-a-house when it all happened.

What is sure is that CoI and CCMT have very badly damaged CSO. Suddenly, a lot of us did realise that bekind this Website was a commercial website.

If I can just give my opinion to CSO:

1) Go out of Matrix. Build a commercial site OUT of CSO. I will be the first one to buy CC6 if it is outside CSO (and CCS, of course)
2) NEVER again support mod hackers. With stupid arguments like "You are a moder and so use the CC engine, so everybody can hack your mod: you are nothing..." Once again, the ones who make CC alive are the moders. They spend months and even YEARS of their life to their passion. THey at least can get some respect. We rae not, at least here in France, in a juduciarious world.

Anyway, we are living bad times and I will not put petrol on the fire. We were right. Those who did not understand now understand.

CC is more important. So, long life to both CSO and CCS, and..... CLOSE COMBAT

Cheers
PJ

#30: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:04 pm
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so your still upset that CSO hosted a mod you didn't like?

jeez!

#31: Author: CSO_Talorgan,

Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:06 pm
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pzjager wrote:

CC is more important. So, long life to both CSO and CCS, and..... CLOSE COMBAT

I'll certainly drink to this!

#32: Author: Pzt_Kevin_dtn, Location: USA

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:36 am
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dgfred wrote:

Hey Kevin, why don't you post some of your AARs from your MP games? I'm
sure it would get ton's of interest and maybe draw in a bunch of players. I
would love to hear some stories and see some screenies- even single games.
Newer players would likely be fascinated and you could even go over some
of the 'gentlemen's rules' for playing h2h.

I took your advise and posted a recent engagement fighting in Karelia2 vs Pzt_Chewy.

Here is the CCS Link with an opening operation description and one of the Finnish highlight battles

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4607

Here is the link to all of the AAR's posted through the end of Day 2 afternoon. Hostilities will recommence by the 20th of Feb (Chewy was busy).

http://www.xsorbit3.com/users/battlehqclosecombat/index.cgi?board=aar&action=display&num=1200798627&start=0

enjoy!

Pzt_Kevin_dtn

#33: Author: dehm,

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:32 am
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Mmm, interesting post! I have some AARs to post but in spanish, BIP BIP BIP ERROR!!!, so i will wait because m english level is so poor...

I think CC is alive and I'm playing it with three friends, in a spanish strategic games forum, and we get fun and enjoy the mods: TRSM, GJS, EBro... a lot. In some weeks i hope to play SOC and Stalindrand as well...

The problem is than while modders have extended game live from two or three years to ten another games as CM are continue developed... pathed... and their community dont only survives... it grown up! We need these things!!!

Thx

dehm

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