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#1: CSO Versus CCS ? Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:39 pm
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Ok, this is what i v got in mind...

Apprently, CSO break down and close his support for CC.
Why this old site, created to support CC since the begining closed
when CC seems to rebirth? I means, this site followed CC since
so many years when the game was officially on stop and just close
when re release bring up. That's very strange to me.
All this due to conflict between CSO member?

For many months, years, CSO was sort of conflict with CCS.
I remember many post from user simply deleted at CSO forum.
I remember many conflict on CCS forum posted from CSO member.
Does i'm wrong or all those vengeful people seems to be someone else now
that CSO is down? I never understood why war was needed between
those both site while they all supported the same game.
But what i see now is all CSO member now come here and post, repost,
and reply to any post as they did at CSO. It seems than CCS is their
new drop point.
I receved many same question from people who asked me if " CCS will be
the new CSO". Well i have to say no.
Anyone is welcome here on CCS as long as they are in respect between
each others. Some user start to complains about CSO member rush at
CCS forum. Well i say, everybody are free to post on forum. As long as
they dont spam forum or lack of respect. But keep in mind
CCS is not CSO.
This is my point of view. My personnal feeling.
Feel free to post your own feeling.
Cheers

#2: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:30 pm
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very good and clear statement ZAPPI.

That's the spirit that makes CCS unique and resilient, even if conflicts occur.

#3: yepp Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:43 pm
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Yeh, im conserned.

I dont whant the same ppl that brought down CSO forum to do the same for CCS.

#4: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:57 pm
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at last...

thnx Zappi for clearing the position of creators of the CCS Smile

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iam not that paranoic after all eh?

#5: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:56 pm
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Zappi, in a round about way, I've talked about it in this post of the "You never miss it until it's gone" thread.

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=28591#28591

The closing of CSO is probably something that just had to happen for reasons we can only speculate about, but are probably very valid and necessary legal ones.

And people should also bear in mind that many CSO regulars and even some Simtek people have been around CCS for a very long time and have never tried to "bring it down". I, for instance, am a former one of both those and have been here at CCS since before most of you. Both Schrecken and I were even among the very few that Mooxe showed this website to before it was opened to the public.

CCS has nothing to fear and no one has anything to be parnoid about. A few people may bump heads and personalities until they get aquainted or re-aquainted, but that has happened many times in the past 12 years as other CC sites have come and gone, changed and morphed, died altogether or re-incarnated as new sites.

This ain't nothing but another little bump in the road and it too will smooth out.

#6: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:14 pm
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Remaking the history Drill?

CSO forum died before the plug was take out literally.

The visitors rejected the CSO forum long before due to its very hostile atmosphere it developed by the Simteckers as anyone dared to doubt your fantastic products COI and CCMT and future developments.
And now they start upkeep same hostile attitude here at CCS, darn them who dare to question and critic the fantastic product you and your friends made. Uhh,

Maybe you think its ok to collectively ass whip people but some how they dint like that. Go figure ...
They EXPRESSED that BY TURNING THERE BACKS on the Simtec run CSO forum, and go to CCS forum. But, hey here you are following them who rejected that.

Try learn from history Drill, and look at the smoking ruins of the burned down CSO forum that had up to you and your friends took over been the CC gamers heaven.

Welcome Drill!
And the match box is in the kitchen next to the gasoline tank.

Enjoy

#7: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:33 pm
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"And now they start upkeep same hostile attitude here at CCS,...." ?

It seems to me that the only hostility is coming from a very few here that seem to harbor some vitriolic hatreds of a company that does not exist anymore.

Get over it, dude.

#8: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:33 pm
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Quote:

The closing of CSO is probably something that just had to happen for reasons we can only speculate about, but are probably very valid and necessary legal ones.

observations on what's happened on CSO forced me to abandon it last year.

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And people should also bear in mind that many CSO regulars and even some Simtek people have been around CCS for a very long time and have never tried to "bring it down".

rite, before 28.02.08 (for Senior Drill - for other it varies)...only after that "some Simtek people" started to try to "bring it down" Smile

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Both Schrecken and I were even among the very few that Mooxe showed this website to before it was opened to the public.

looks like mooxe showed it to me even earlier than to u - does it make me cooler?

or Brutus....and u here?

hehe Stalk, long time we didn't agree on single subject Razz

#9: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:37 pm
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brr forgot to quote Senior Drill:

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BTW, Troger, though it may be only his second post here, Joe98 has been around CC and all the other CC forums for a lot longer than you have. And he has always been very civil, something that you don't appear to be able to do. It's the unnecessary, rude and hostile responses like yours that have been a less than appealing trademark of this forum.

don't think that bolded sentence speaks against Senior Drill.
looks like Senior Drill has just missed the name of site/forum - he probably meant CSO Wink

#10: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:45 pm
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No, not cooler. Not anything that really matters, either. And while I do list out as member #68, Mooxe will remember that I was in the 5 to 8 range and asked to have that one, with a different user name, deleted when I re-registered with the same name I use on all the CC forums.

Which also doesn't matter in the least. But you are using a very broad brush to paint attitudes on a group of people instead of addressing specifics with individuals.

If you have a problem with me, let's talk about it.

#11: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:50 pm
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Dima wrote:

brr forgot to quote Senior Drill:

Quote:

don't think that bolded sentence speaks against Senior Drill.
looks like Senior Drill has just missed the name of site/forum - he probably meant CSO Wink

See what I mean? You're acting like a boor, Dima. But it is all water off a ducks back to me, so carry on.

#12: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:56 pm
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Senior_Drill wrote:

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And people should also bear in mind that many CSO regulars and even some Simtek people have been around CCS for a very long time and have never tried to "bring it down". I, for instance, am a former one of both those and have been here at CCS since before most of you. Both and I were even among the very few that Mooxe showed this website to before it was opened to the public...

Dont forget this 2 points Senior_Drill...
-Many user get the CCS acces and see it before you or Schrecken.
-No one would see it before is official release if all admin agreed to give
them this favor.
And getting this favor means nothing as at this time when CCS
was released, we were all friend. All the rumble started around 2004.
Now please dont tell me that no one was on to made conflict
as i was personnaly under critic and attack from CSO members.
Some were admin at CSO and they didnt stop at their owner forum frontier.
They came here to send me multiple PM etc...
But anyway, whatever they are or they do, anyone is still welcome here.

Like some other veteran, i follow CC since ABTF. Like everyone, i used
CSO for download, forum, etc but i stoped to use CSO when all this started.
That's my personnal reason why i manage my part on CCS.
To get a free, fair and updated site for CC. To play it with my kid when he
will got the age to play it correctly. This message is not to reasure me,
but more to reasure all the community from who i get some complains.

CCS is THE Fan CC gamer. This site is maybe managed by few people
but in fact the site is belong to all of us. It cant exist without all of you
all of us.

#13: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:02 pm
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But you are using a very broad brush to paint attitudes on a group of people instead of addressing specifics with individuals.

yes, the group of individuals that try to reply to any thread posted at CCS even if they don't have a clue about what they r talking about.

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If you have a problem with me, let's talk about it.

yes, u r one of that group - and u pretty often post about something u don't really understand - 'just to post'....like it was in CSO.

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See what I mean? You're acting like a boor, Dima. But it is all water off a ducks back to me, so carry on.

i c what i mean - in CSO u guys acted by the same script and that's why ppl withdrew from it.

so u confirm that?
It's the unnecessary, rude and hostile responses like yours that have been a less than appealing trademark of this forum.(c)Senior Drill

#14: Author: Troger, Location: L4W's place, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:10 pm
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Well, I am a bit surprised to hear that CSO is closed for good (or the time being). I am a bit surprised by the shake up with Simtek. I know Sulla was one founder but who was the 'other guy'?

There was a sort of 'gang' mentality at the CSO forum that ruined it a bit. But I don't think that will work here. Nor do I think anyone was censored at CSO, I felt perfectly comfortable making rather brash posts there, as I do here. But it was just a one vs all sort of deal, but hey, my rep was high, so I know some people agreed, hehe.

Who is actually developing future CC releases now? 'Simtek', or ST3, Matrix? Is Sulla still involved with any of this? Who heads the development team?

I don't think CSO was any better in terms of civility, in some cases it was worse. The public lashings dished out by CSO and fellow hanger-ons (and vets, who although stopped playing CC years ago, thought they were some sort of gods for making some mod that changed weapon values, come on!) were particularly annoying.

Oh well, too bad CSO is gone, it was at least another CC resource.

Oh and let me just point something out Senior Drill, I want your attention to something you said on this post: http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=28591#28591

Good informative post, with one blaring problem.

Senior_Drill wrote:

Anzac Tack has implied he doesn't want to play the old CC5 anymore because he is loving the testing of the re release.

This means nothing to me, and I'll tell you why.

Tack, or 'Tacky' pulled this same crap with the CC3 re-release. And let me be the first to call him out on his ranting on how great the CC5 re-release is. CoI was nothing more then CC3 + mods, that's brass tacks. He ranted and raved about things that had changed, that;

A. Already existed for cc3 in mods
and
B. Developers did not actually fix or claim to fix, but was just his imagination.

He went around the forums raveling people up, like he has done with marketing the cc5 release here (with his retirement thread). Tack; When that re-release comes out and it is turns out to be a dud like CoI, you're officially going to be known as Tack the Blowhard. Shame on you.

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#15: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:14 pm
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haha

it's hard to say for me....but...good post Troger lol

#16: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:21 pm
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Drill

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It seems to me that the only hostility is coming from a very few here that seem to harbor some vitriolic hatreds of a company that does not exist anymore.

Not at all Drill and Co, you have NOT made the games I love so much, the original Series CC1-5 by Atomic.

And I cant feel anything vs a company (Simtec) that relies such poor product.
I can ignore the product so its simple, and I can ignore the CSO forum run by Simtecers, so that’s that was fine.
But now I cant ignore you and yer friends anymore, you in my face, for the CSOSimetecers have wrecked there own forum and are now here at CCS and try to muffle me and the crituics.
Sry I don’t like that, I can accept that.

Take a step back, and look at this, is it professional conduct by the so called “Game developers” to act like that in fan forums?
I never see Bill Gates bitch with the complainers of his product? I suppose Bill use a whip to, but mostly a carrot, but on his own crew to make a better software and meet the consumers wishes and needs.

What do you think?

#17: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:11 pm
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Oh, I agree that it was a very big mistake to have put a commercial company's buisness on a fan site. It should never have happened. Sbufkle tried to seperate that out in forums and got a lot of trouble for his efforts.

A lot of the CSO vs CCS animosities also date back to Sbuflle's banning wars with Mooxe a long time ago, which obviously was resolved between them.

Some poor decisions were made by Shaun Wallace, but it was his website and his company. The CoI arguements should also have not been allowed between the development people on a fan site, when it was actually the publisher's forums, Matrix Games, where the debates should have been held. The publisher ordered the modding of CC3 for CoI and should have been the ones to defend the decision. Simtek's intent was to make the original games once again available for people who could not find them anywhere else than EBay or bargain bins. Those re-releases would have had just the Direct X fixes and the somewhat limited vehicle pathing improvements, but would have been the same otherwise.

Too late now, though, eh?

Troger, the other was Chris Bean, aka Beeblebrox, banned from CSO a year ago on advice from a lawyer. Had he and Sulla had kept Simtek business off CSO, it may have survived their falling out. But it became tied together and it is my opinion that that is why it is now taken down. And I could be totally wrong about that, too.

#18: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:17 pm
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Dima wrote:

at last...

thnx Zappi for clearing the position of creators of the CCS Smile

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iam not that paranoic after all eh?

Like i said, this is my personnal view, nothing about CCS creator.

#19: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:18 pm
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Drill u sounds soo...scripted Very Happy

sry, i've bee following yer posts in CSO...

#20: Author: Dima,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:20 pm
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Quote:

Like i said, this is my personnal view, nothing about CCS creator.

in the bottom of the site:
Homba, Zappi, Bambam887, RedScorpion and MOOXE created this site in August of 2004.

looks like u r one of the creators Wink

#21: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:23 pm
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Drill and Co, Well well well

So you now see the problems…. A new attitude I see to, thank you.

Then WHY are you and your friends upkeep the bitching and trolling of the doubters here at CCS?
And the Spamming that is so destructive to a forum.
Or did you just now see the light Drill?

If so Im happy?

Convince me please.. Give me some years...

#22: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:34 pm
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Dima wrote:

Quote:

Like i said, this is my personnal view, nothing about CCS creator.

in the bottom of the site:
Homba, Zappi, Bambam887, RedScorpion and MOOXE created this site in August of 2004.

looks like u r one of the creators Wink

One of them mate yes only one of them Wink

So i repeat, i speak about my name not CCS Wink

But if you feel happy like this
Yes from 1 CCs creator Razz

#23: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:03 pm
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ok i am in to the last man,

nobody takes over CCS, without a good fight

"Oh stanger, passer by go tell the community that here we lie protectig the site from foreign incurcions, according the laws of the last free man in a CC-gaming world"

#24: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:27 pm
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LOL...

Ganging up..

Trolling...

Driving off...

what a load of rubbish

Every time I make a post here 6 ppl jump down my neck.... LOL

No one is stopping you from playing CC5 to your hearts content, you all seem to indicate that you are being wrestled into buying new releases of CC against your will.

Of course that's not the case.

But thousands of ppl have made the decision to buy the new releases and are happy with them, which of course they should be as the games are great.

You may think otherwise, but that's just your opinion.

I don't like World of Warcraft but I don't hound the developers to make it more like CC.

Trogers thread on improvements/enhancements to CC has been one of the few worthwhile posts around here in the last couple of weeks.

You guys ignore new players call for help with technical issues or assistance.... all they get is "Read the FAQ"... very unfriendly.

Any posts referring to the new releases get SPAMMED by you bunch of hard done by gamers hiding here at CCS.

The biggest highlight for you guys , it seems , is the MIA of the CSO site... well briliant, it was targeted by hackers.. makes me even wonder if one or more of you is involved in that.

You keep referring to the "infighting" at CSO ... I'm not aware of anything different than what goes on in real life... differences of opinion and determining focus on what is the job at hand.

And Now I've been "warned " for being constantly attacked and abused in these forums...........

Nice job with this site guys

#25: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:28 pm
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Quote:

Oh stanger, passer by go tell the community that here we lie protectig the site from foreign incurcions, according the laws of the last free man in a CC-gaming world

Heard ringing from the bastion of fear.

#26: Author: Senior_Drill, Location: 22134

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:39 pm
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AT_Stalky wrote:

Drill and Co, Well well well

It's just me, man. I'm not with anyones company, business or companion wise.

Quote:

So you now see the problems…. A new attitude I see to, thank you.

I think we can agree that we see the problems a bit differently, but that we can discuss that difference until we get bored of the topic. My attitues haven't changed, but maybe your perception of them has. I also don't feel obligated to be gagged by the contractual agreements I had signed with a company that no longer exists, so I can say things now against their practices that I once had to keep to myself.

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Then WHY are you and your friends upkeep the bitching and trolling of the doubters here at CCS?
And the Spamming that is so destructive to a forum.

There you go again. Me and "my friends". I speak for myself, as you do for youself. Would you please define for me what is bitching, trolling and spamming, which I am not aware of deliberately doing, so that I can avoid doing so in the future and getting your hackle up unnecessarily? If I really wanted to piss you off, I'm quite capable of doing so, but that's never been my intention. But now I know one of your buttons to push. Wink

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Or did you just now see the light Drill?

If so Im happy?

Nah, but I think I can safely say that we see the light through different colored lenses. I hope you can be happy with that.

Quote:

Convince me please.. Give me some years...

I don't feel enough of a need to try. Not my job anyway. But I am willing to discuss it civily.

#27: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:42 pm
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The biggest highlight for you guys , it seems , is the MIA of the CSO site... well briliant, it was targeted by hackers.. makes me even wonder if one or more of you is involved in that.

Wow,
Well, It cant be me who hacked it, for i have cried every day since CSO Forum went down, not because I loved it, I dint really care, but because you and yer friends was "busy" there, thus was not here and do what you do now..
See how simple it is, Just apply some simple logic and you don’t have to make such "silly" accusations and make such a fool of you self.

THINK

#28: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:47 pm
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schrecken wrote:

1 : You guys ignore new players call for help with technical issues or assistance.... all they get is "Read the FAQ"... very unfriendly.

2 : Any posts referring to the new releases get SPAMMED by you bunch of hard done by gamers hiding here at CCS.

3 : And Now I've been "warned " for being constantly attacked and abused in these forums...........

4 : Nice job with this site guys

Mmmmh...
I'm not sure to follow you.

1: If u v got the time, read into the technical forum how many time help
was give to user. I means other than forward to FAQ. Anyways, does a
FAQ isnt maded to help people in the Frequency Ask Question? So now ask
member here to see how many time i spend my time on GS to explain them
how to fix this problem. And to doing this, i'm not alone.

2 : a -Sorry mate, but for exemple CCS released with french Cyber game magazine
an article for the COI release. I written this article for this french magazine
with some CC player. And the article was online here.
b -Many player didnt spam the re-release post, but simply just show
to the developper than sometime it may be better to ask the core gamer
not only the team who developping the game. But of course some did for
sure spammed those post. Maybe cos they didnt like so much this later
update of game. To be aware of that u may browze the right forum
where i see many post from player about game porpose.

3 : I never heard you about this except the latest post and this one.

4 : mmmh, easy way

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#29: Author: Troger, Location: L4W's place, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:49 pm
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Senior_Drill wrote:

Troger, the other was Chris Bean, aka Beeblebrox, banned from CSO a year ago on advice from a lawyer. Had he and Sulla had kept Simtek business off CSO, it may have survived their falling out. But it became tied together and it is my opinion that that is why it is now taken down. And I could be totally wrong about that, too.

Are either Wallace or Bean involved with the development of any future releases? If I had to choose one I hope it's Bean.. he was very receptive to some changes. Do you know who runs ST3?

It makes sense that they got put in a rough place with the CSO pages. Turning to a fan-based community to a game rep isn't easy.

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#30: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:54 pm
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schrecken wrote:

But thousands of ppl have made the decision to buy the new releases and are happy with them, which of course they should be as the games are great.

You dont speak about how many bought it and didnt like it.
Do you concider than if they bought the game than they like it?

#31: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:05 pm
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schrecken wrote:

You guys ignore new players call for help with technical issues or assistance.... all they get is "Read the FAQ"... very unfriendly.

There you go....

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=28847#28847

we still make a better job than you with your Techincal help stating only.

"COI fixes that."

"new CC5 will solve your marriage problems"

"Buy now, a game with fixes you can get for free, but are too difficult to be handled by non-PC-cracks..."

"All your PC problems will be solved if you buy the magic new Games. They even fix your Windows Vista Problems"

#32: Author: Troger, Location: L4W's place, Australia

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:06 pm
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schrecken wrote:

LOL...

Ganging up..
Trolling...
Driving off...
what a load of rubbish

Every time I make a post here 6 ppl jump down my neck.... LOL

Well all those things certainly happened at CSO.

schrecken wrote:

You guys ignore new players call for help with technical issues or assistance.... all they get is "Read the FAQ"... very unfriendly.

Haven't looked in there, but I must say CCS has some outstanding FAQs. CSO's tech forum wasn't filled with the most helpful either.

schrecken wrote:

Any posts referring to the new releases get SPAMMED by you bunch of hard done by gamers hiding here at CCS.

Clearly many don't want a re-release.

schrecken wrote:

And Now I've been "warned " for being constantly attacked and abused in these forums...........

I don't think you have anything to worry about Schreck. Answer to them to the best of your knowledge or ignore them.

Let's face it, CSO died for a variety of reasons, one being that people like me left and stopped posting due to the forum that it became. A one vs all battlezone and that was partly due to the unsatisfactory release of CoI. Not to mention all those blowhard 'vets', who abandoned the game, and thought they were above others.

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#33: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:10 pm
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Schrecken

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No one is stopping you from playing CC5 to your hearts content, you all seem to indicate that you are being wrestled into buying new releases of CC against your will.

Of course that's not the case.

Thanx, but your missing a very important thing. IM A CONSUMER and I HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS that I have issues with you product. Its not just to grab my money and then say SILENT little ant.
That’s a really important POINT that you NEED TO LEARN, I have that RIGHT to speak, but not if you have a say, as you had at CSO, and now at CCS..

Freedom of speech, yeh, just as long one like yer product, ohh how little freedom of speak it would be then, just as in CSO forum run by you and yer friends.

Professional are we?

#34: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:09 am
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Support at CCS

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=256

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=254

is this the sign of an open community?

#35: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:09 am
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well look,

an open community works with commitment, contact mooxe, make an offer, write tutorials, make suggestions, do something freestyle, use your imagination, dont wait for others to start...

its called initiative...

you would have made 10 tutorials for COI or CCMT in the time CSO went offline...

I am not opposing any game... I am just an opponent of intended antagonism.

#36: Author: Tejszd, Location: Canada

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:43 am
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CCS tends to be more of a CC5 site and nobody needs to apologize for that.

COI may get more support as more people post on it and or requests things for it. But Matrix/Simtek released it not that long ago and those companies charged a lot for what was done to make, I think they can support it for a while. The mods for COI, for the most part, were not made by the community for COI. All the mods also might have done more harm than good as there were too many options for people so many may not have tried h2h or when they did they wanted someone to play the some mod. Thus the CC3/COI community is very split between the games and all the mods.

As for hostility around COI; the community thought that with the code becoming available and CC community members being involved that we might get some of the things we have been hoping for since the last CC release back in 2000. But that didn't happen with COI.

CCMT did get some abuse too but not as much because it does offer some things that people where asking for (though those with CCM didn’t get much more out of it)….

In the end everyone who has an interest in CC should be welcome here and let’s hope we get a great version of CC down the road.

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#37: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:44 am
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Quote:

its called initiative...

Close Combat

Map flip tutorial

Site with guides utiliities etc

CoI mods and extra goodies

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#38: Author: squadleader_id, Location: Soerabaja

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:44 am
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Polemarchos wrote:

schrecken wrote:

You guys ignore new players call for help with technical issues or assistance.... all they get is "Read the FAQ"... very unfriendly.

Well, Shreckie's brilliant suggestion really helped a lot on this thread:
http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4634

Rolling Eyes

#39: Author: LiveFree,

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 8:09 am
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Can we please stop this guys.

I'm new to CC and to this community. I don't know what happened in the past, and I don't want to know.

Whats in the past is over and done with. I'm here because I found a game that I enjoy and i'd like to be able to discuss it with other people that enjoy the game.

It speaks bad of the community to have constant bickering over something thats irrelevant and detrimental to the game. Especially to new players. No one wants to be a part of community of players that fight and argue. All the energy you guys spend accusing, defending, or slandering could better be spent welcoming and encouraging the new players.

So I don't care who said what or who did this....the important thing for me is to maintain the growth of this community, assisting others when they need help, meeting other CC players, and enjoying this great game.

#40: mmm Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:40 pm
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to troger.

why do you always ignor the facts.CoI improved beyong any mod ever made coding in cc3 engine.it was no mod,yes it incorperated the best mod of all, RR0822,and it added maps that mods did,and it added a new GC that mods did,and new graphics, sounds and weapons/units/vehicles, BUT it fixed pathing(u flately deny,and even say its worse,its Garbage,did u play cc3 for 5 years?), it added a new mod swap,that didnt CORRUPT ur copy of CC if it failed!,it added a new dedicated game room(bhq) added new links for help forums, support,added links for mmcc3,it added features no mod maker could ever do, learn the facts then make argument, u r wrong.
I was not paid to beat up CoI, i thought and still do it was a great improvement on cc3,i was shattered that its player base dived in months.But its a old game,even with improvements.this fact i accept.

I tested CoI for neally 6 months from its concept stage,i know almost every change,and u insult these workers by saying its a mod! ask dima or PJ if they could change code of the engine like coi did,im sure they would Love to!misinformed and ignorant u r.

CC5 rebuild that i see every day, is no mod,and the additions are major,but im not allowed to say what.

u constantly say im a blowhard, just becaused i loved CoI, so because i Loved SOC im a blowhard? because i loved TRSM im a blowhard? i posted more for both these mods then CoI! oh how selective u r to critisise the ones u hate!

I also get a feeling u seek revenge from me, i'd be curious to know ur other sign in names or others we may know u as,u have the biggest chip on the shoulder i have EVER seen in CC for 12 years! even old brian at ryans fades in your hatred!
saying ur the only real aussie,just because u think ur independant? i know who is blowing mate, it aint me!

we will see if rebuild comes out,how good it is,if its a stinker so what, i liked it, like i like Coi, SOC,TRSM and many others...with me if i llike it, i tell people at ryans,ccs,if i dont, i dont talk about it, not rant like some 17 year old psycho with a anti cso badge on my forhead!

I almost never posted at cso,i registered in 2001,but had like 30 posts,so i dont get my association, 'future'(ex anzac 2ic) asked me to test, i test, END OF STORY.

#41: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:48 pm
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LiveFree wrote:

I'm new to CC and to this community. I don't know what happened in the past, and I don't want to know.

Well, if one doesn’t learn from the history we are all doomed to make the same mistakes again.
Maybe you aren’t interested in the past, but I am, combined with what’s happened at this very moment it gives a “clear” future picture, in this very murky water. It isn’t pretty but that subjective ofcose, but rather objective if one see the massive rejection of Simtec run CSO forum.

LiveFree wrote:

No one wants to be a part of community of players that fight and argue.

No that’s right, that’s why ppl left the CSO/simtec run forum and turned there backs on em, but that ought to have given a user-power statement that ought to echo for a lifetime, but no. Now they are invading CCS, and do for CCS what they so effectively done for CSO.

Said that, I belive in fighting for a couse, fighting to preserve a forum culture so unique as the one we have here at CCS, I though was important. But one can’t defend what not want to be defended. You know, don’t you agree….

I guess it will all come down to a decision by the main head, so what will it be. You tell me.

#42: thats Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:04 pm
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thats what i dont get, i been here posting regularly since sep 04,and im slung into cso boys catagory purely because i said something was good! well shoot me...

ccs is the best cc site, has been for 4 years. pity about the recent colourfull language and rants though.

lets let this mini 'war' stop here and now.if ccs went down and we all went to cso it would be same?

we must stick together to keep our mutual dream alive,

.....Close Combat.

#43: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:17 pm
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I was not talking to you here, If u cared to read who I qouted youll see that.

I have no stuff with ye Tack, though I dont share your taste in ALL games to a degree. So what, thats taste.

So, What does that have to do with anything? I may like what I like, and you may like what you like, and both express our critiqs and love for whatever. AND BE ABLE TO POST THAT.

But thats what was not alowed at CSO, and now its happening to CCS.

Quote:

if ccs went down and we all went to cso it would be same?

And one thing I don’t agree with is that statement; I would NEVER be a part of such a hostile run CSOSimtec web site with such low respect for the consumer thoughts and issues. NEVER…
Judging by your statement I guess you would. Thats fine with me.

#44: Author: Troger, Location: L4W's place, Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:35 pm
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Tacky,

Simtek never claimed to have fixed pathfinding, they said it 'may' have been improved. So it's then a matter of opinion, and in my opinion it was just as bad as CC3. I played CoI, I played enough of it to know that there were some problems that weren't there in CC3 vanilla. I also played CC3 since the day it came out, just as you did. Addition of mod-swap? Well that's not impressive. MMCC3 never even worked for me, but it sounded neat. So let's face it, the main additions to CoI was pre-existing mods/tools, my point all along. Sure some other things were done but the majority of it was things you could already obtain. Matrix Games then price gouged in a very big way.

My point is, you raveled people up, saying how amazing it is on forums, and it wasn't that amazing. It was CC3+mods and somewhat 'rounded' out. You're too positive and your not critical enough. A tester is someone who is objective and, if anything, extremely critical. I suppose you had nothing to be critical of though, considering you don't test the price of the product, you test the product. But I think you got a little ahead of yourself and promoting CoI. I would have told people what it was. CC3+mods and tools and not worth $50. If you think it was worth $50, well you are just wrong.

My problem is with the price set by Matrix, not with the work done by Simtek. I'm sure if Simtek would have released it on their own, no one would have paid $50 for it. We would have paid what it was worth, Simtekers were CC'rs, Matrix Game people are businessmen. I don't object to making CC3 available to people, but I do object to unfair price set by Matrix.

Plus, I'm just having a go with you. 'Tacky the Blowhardy' sounds kinda kewl too.

#45: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:24 pm
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Quote:

be a part of such a hostile run Close Combat Series (ed) web site

And haven't we seen that these past few weeks, as your precious ground has been invaded... mostly by people who were here before you were.... what a laugh.

#46: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:25 pm
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CCS has always been good at introducing new mods/and the CC Camera.

Other than that theres not a lot worth reading here.
It's not like an encyclopedia of how to mod CC exists here.

As was at CSO.

Just because your here now doesnt mean you'll be here later.

#47: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:28 am
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Whomever that proclaims they will not able to continue with thier naysaying due to the influx of anti naysayers, I say to you.. "Cowards!" Closecombatseries.net.... the traditional home of the naysayers, created partially to naysay, will always be home to the brotherhood of naysayers. So to you naysayers out there who say the naysaying naysayingness of this site is on the brink of extinction, be not afraid! CCS will always be home to the naysayers!

On a more serious note.... We all know CoI, CCMT and probably D-Day will all totally fail here online... Ok maybe single player they sold 1000's of copies but none of them showed up here, except a maybe a couple.. We still should welcome the posters from ANY SITE to post whatever they want to. Short of some administrator saying to user X and user Y, "stop posting," there is really not much else to do. The moderation of these forums have been left to the four winds and it has worked out in our favour for four years. I see no need to change the direction in how this site is handled.

#48: wow Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:39 am
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well done troger,
some civility and finally objective views. its like a different person! im glad both our views have been shared.

i agree to some extent I did overate CoI, but as u pointed out, i didnt pay for it,and i actually added to it,helped to fine tweek it,and maybe bacause i felt i 'worked on it',spent hundrens of hours testing all the beta's,i thought it was the bees knee's. in hindsight i'd give it a like warm reception. 6.5/10 today.
comparing previous games to today is difficult, like cc1,then it was love at first sight, 9.5/10,today 2/10,cc3 was 9.6 then, 5/10 now. cc2 for me personally was always 3/10,and cc4 was always 4/10,original ccv for years was 4.5/10,untill GJS!wow what a mod..

CCMT i give a 5 because it has no GC,but its packed with previews for future.i made almost no comments about ccmt.

Mooxe,
I agree with a forum with limited moderation, but where is the line drawn? i made a swear word and was PERNAMENTLY BANNED BY MY ISP ADDRESS! I WOULD STILL BE BANNED NOW! if i didnt change ISP i'd have NO CSO, NO CCS!!! thats not live, its drifting in space! CCS is No1 CC site!. but others can verbally abuse,swear and rant with no repucissions. fair?

i wont ask for moderation, i can deal with it, but it has set a precident.unwarrant abuse is OK.

#49: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:20 pm
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Well the reasons than CCS seems liberal are :

- We didnt get time to sleep on PC and browzing each post to be sure to
read fair things and poite text.
- We didnt want CCS look like some other CC site, rude and in sort of
dictator moderating. Cause it's really hard to be right to know which post
seems agressif, unpolite etc.
and some more points exist about why CCS get low moderator.

Now Like i said, everyone is welcome on CCS, and i dont remind one time
during all this 4 years, than anyone complained to me about someone else.
The very first time appeared some days ago. even; i dont guess we never ban
anyone from CCS except Bots.

#50: Re: wow Author: mooxe,

Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:08 pm
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ANZAC_Tack wrote:

Mooxe,
I agree with a forum with limited moderation, but where is the line drawn? i made a swear word and was PERNAMENTLY BANNED BY MY ISP ADDRESS! I WOULD STILL BE BANNED NOW! if i didnt change ISP i'd have NO CSO, NO CCS!!! thats not live, its drifting in space! CCS is No1 CC site!. but others can verbally abuse,swear and rant with no repucissions. fair?

i wont ask for moderation, i can deal with it, but it has set a precident.unwarrant abuse is OK.

Tack you were banned by an automated script that filtered bad words on the surveys. Each time I went in to unban you, it rebanned you and I couldnt figure out why. The scripts that protect other portions of this site do not protect the forums. Anything goes in these forums.

#51: Author: platoon_michael, Location: Right behind you

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:16 am
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I can only assume my post was dead on since you cant respond to it
And who exactly is we when Mooxe speakes?
Him and his 5 friends?
2 of whom never post?

Thus I rest my case

CCS is like CC.org.

Here today,probably gone tommorow.

May God help us CC fans.

Edit:Darn
I cant even remeber the name of the site that was supposed to be the whooo Haaa of CC.
Was it CC.net
CCfans.net?

hmmm............... kinda funny

#52: Author: mooxe,

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:42 am
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platoon_michael wrote:

I can only assume my post was dead on since you cant respond to it

Well since you need attention I suppose I can set aside five minutes to reply to your statement. (rolling my eyes at you) Your opinion is dead on what you believe. Who am I to try and make you believe something else? I honestly dont pay much attention to everyones opinions of this site, but I do pay attention to concerns and constructive criticism. The site speaks for itself and everyone interprets that differently.

platoon_michael wrote:

And who exactly is we when Mooxe speakes?
Him and his 5 friends?
2 of whom never post?

Many people live in this home, not just the naysayers!

#53: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:46 am
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thanks platoon_michael...

well cowards is a hard (inappropriate) word... I am not a naysayer... i am open th change... but i dont see any point in buying licences, then incorporating ideas developing in the CC world, selling us our (ye CC mods, ideas are public goods) own ideas...

its like reprinting the bible... and charging money...

btw. how about i charge money now, for sitting around in archives to collect data for mods... or mod makers asking for a fee... that be great!!!

#54: Author: schrecken, Location: Sydney, Australia

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:01 am
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Quote:

then incorporating ideas developing in the CC world, selling us our (ye CC mods, ideas are public goods) own ideas...

Then under that scenario all these suggestions should not be incorporated in CC

http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4685

#55: Author: Polemarchos, Location: Polemarchopolis

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:53 am
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good point...but you misunderstand... the issue is selling new vine in old bottles... not drinking wine

i guess they can be used, but since it then was created by more guys than just the developers or publishers, you either give free copies to the guys involved, or make it half prize...

and ye whats wrong with publishing a PATCH, and charging 5-10$ (or Euro) for a pimped CC5... Name it GOLD or sth...

CC6 is completely different story.

#56: Author: Flamethrower,

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:05 am
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Polemarchos wrote:

its like reprinting the bible... and charging money...

Book- The Holy Bible
Sales Rank- #1
Date- Approximate First Publication c. 1451-55
Author- Various
Copies sold- More than 6 Billion

#57: Author: QM, Location: Australia

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 am
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platoon_michael wrote:

I can only assume my post was dead on since you cant respond to it
And who exactly is we when Mooxe speakes?
Him and his 5 friends?
2 of whom never post?

Thus I rest my case

CCS is like CC.org.

Here today,probably gone tommorow.

May God help us CC fans.

Edit:Darn
I cant even remeber the name of the site that was supposed to be the whooo Haaa of CC.
Was it CC.net
CCfans.net?

hmmm............... kinda funny

CC.net

Was owned and run by Pott

#58: Author: AT_Stalky,

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:45 am
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Yah, thanx god CSO is up and running.

http://www.closecombat.org/forums/

And "men", keep up the "good" work you two do at CSO.

LONG LIVE CSO.

#59: Author: king_tiger_tank, Location: the Band and State of Kansas

Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:25 pm
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even though I'll sound like a mad fool, I say that we should get the rights to the game and have the modders be in charge of making the games, then we will have games that will not suck.

#60: tiger Author: ANZAC_Tack, Location: Australia

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:58 am
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a fantastic idea, its true.

but who has the $$$ to buy it?

maybe if the "evil empire" fails to deliver, all CCS could chip in a few hundren and buy the rights!

i know if i had garantee's,i'd part with 2 or 3 hundren for a "GOOD" game.

#61: Author: Pz_Meyer,

Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:10 pm
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Personally, I wouldn't choose between the two but instead see the strengths and weaknesses of both sites. This site seems more dedicated to one purpose and doesn't critisize members for being different. So CCS does appear to be more liberal and has a butt load of members Laughing

But the reality is, the future of CC is always in the hands of the modders and the site(s) who support them Razz

I really like the rank system here as opposed to how other members "feel" about other members

#62: Author: ZAPPI4, Location: Belgium Liege

Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:45 am
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Do you think really than CC developper did a well job after CCV?

Personnally i feel for a long time that the game will not see any new
good next opus. In fact when i saw CC4 i was thinking the same already.
Then CC5 came and show me than i was wrong.
But since normandy opus, what good appreared?
Only one things, this only things is, the rebird of CC licence.
But about any good valuable and playable game than put my back to sleep
on my desk PC... i dont see anythings.
Well of course i'm not alone to feel that, and i hope many other different
feeling exist.
Now i would like to know one thing that for me is really important.

Why the new game developper never came here to ask, reply to CC fan
prupose about the game?
Why does they did 3 or 4 new opus on CC without asking and speaking with
the fan active CC?
So now Why does they can come here to defend their self when they dont
speak with us about the new game coming up?
I just feel this new CC developper team like some money maker team.
Like those who buy a licence and made a game just to grab money because
the name " label" is here. Poor spirit for me to see THIS community never
heard by the developper. Developper who exist because the community Exist.

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