We can be thankfull that God can even forgive people like LoneRebel, provided they admit to and repent from their vile sinful attitudes and behaviours, confessing Jesus Christ as their risen Lord and Saviour
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ANSWER, SO:
SAY YES TO JESUS TODAY
JESUS WILL SAVE YOUR SOUL!
SO DO NOT BE AN ETERNAL LOSER
YOU HAVE AN ETERNITY TO GAIN
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE
SAY YES TO JESUS TODAY
CHEERS
AGS
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P.S. @ LoneRebel, the fact that you didn't read my responses to your hatefilled posts is unimportant, as is your uninformed opinion. Those posts were for the benefit of the silent readers
Your terse and abusive responses just confirmed everything i had written about you .
Some time ago some Muslims went to the city council in Helsinki the capital of Finland and they said that they would like to build a mosque in Helsinki. The council member said to them ok, you can build a mosque but it has to look like a mosque. Meaning it can't be just a high rise building that they renovate into a mosque
Well, i must say that may be one very clever/shrewd Council Member, because he succeeded in preventing the Muslims from setting up a mosque in Helsinki.
So far they haven't gotten together enough money to build a proper mosque. Because to build a proper mosque costs a lot of money.
The muslims cannot afford to build such an elaborate building, thats exactly the Catch22 that the Council Member may have been counting on
Then if they finally do raise enough money, there could be the fall back plan that Helsinki council bylaws may prohibit the building of any Structures whose style conflicts with existing architectural styles.
So yes, my country would like to have some proper Islamic influence, and we want a proper mosque that looks like a mosque, not just some western looking building that houses a mosque.
Even if the Helsinki Council Member is not pulling a con job on the Musims, it would only prove that 1 Council member wanted some islamic influence on architecture, not on Finnish society.
If it was not so pathetic, i may have said "good try MF"
So if somebody bypasses all legal avenues of immigration by paying a people smuggler to get them on an unauthorised international boat charter to enter a sovereign nation without an entry visa etc, you doubt they are an illegal immigrant?
So, you must also believe that all the Mexicans, who sneak across the border into the USA without permission, must be legal immigrants too?
LoneRebel nailed it by saying how can you claim to be "multiculturalist" (where it suits you) but hate the "culture" of specific groups of immigrants.
You atheists are certainly totally into "hate speech".
Yet another good example of a Forum Troll using the notorious "Strawman argument"
This is done by misrepresenting a person's position.
Never have i said that i hate the "culture" of specific groups of immigrants.
In fact, in this entire thread, i have only ONCE said that i hate anything at all, and this is it: "A discerning reader, will easily understand, that i only hate the behaviour of a few trouble making muslims."
In fact, the only genuine Hate Speech in this thread, has come from the keyboards of the atheists.
LoneRebel nailed it by saying how can you claim to be "multiculturalist" (where it suits you) but hate the "culture" of specific groups of immigrants.
It is so sad when i must give English lessons to those who claim English as their 1st language.
DJ, do you know the meaning of Multi-Cultural?
Do you know the meaning of Omni-Cultural?
Do you know the meaning of the word mono-cultural?
DJ, Australia is not an Omni-Cultural country, it is a Multi-Cultural country
DJ, i do not claim to be an Omni-Culturalist, i am a Multi-Culturalist
Any ignoramus who says i am anti-Multicultural, or a racist, needs either an english lesson, or a brain transplant, or both, or......
Islam, by its very nature, is Mono-Cultural.
Lets look at this realistically, this is for the sake of the silent audience, not for LR, DJ, BS, MF and my Stalker, because they demonstrate little concept of reality (or reason) when it comes to topics in this thread.
Take the Muslims in Mindanao, in the Philippines, they are mono-cultural
They refuse to be part of a multi-cultural, multi-religion society, they are fighting, shooting and killing other Filipinos because they demand to live in a fully independant Islamic nation/state.
LoneRebel, who is a pseudo-multiculturalists, would never want, or need, more of their islamic influence in the Philipines. But LoneRebel, who is a racist by his/her own admission (based on his/her own fallicious logic), is not honest enough to face up to his/her own hypocracy, because he/she is blinded by his/her own hatred for Protestant Christians.
Anybody who says that they: want, or need, islamic influence on their society is likely to be a muslim who desires a monocultural society, because that is the probable longterm outcome of increased islamic influence on any society.
Just as an example of my racist anti-multiculturlsim (thats sarcasm for the uneducated)
Among the ethnicities of women in my life (past Girlfriends etc) are: Dutch, English, Filipino, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Polish, Scottish and Swedish Amongst my Real Life friends are: Chinese, Dutch, Estonian, German, Pinoy, Kenyan, Koori, Russian, Swedish, Thai,
When it comes to Cricket, i am a big fan of the Pakistani Cricket team. Javed Miandad is one of my all time favourite batsmen. Still have the World Cup Final on video where Javed and Imran Khan led the Pakis to victory over England. Once i did consider marrying a Christian Pakistani woman
Oh the Vietnamese in Australia have embraced Australian culture wholeheartedly. Checkout communitychannel on youtube Miss Tran could not be more Australian unless she was a Koori, she has a beautiful Aussie accent
These hypocritical whimps out there who claim that AGS is anti-multiculturalist or even a racist, probably sit their in their monocultural-societies while AGS literally embraces multiculturalism every day and night.
AGS is a Multi-cultural Australian, married to a Filipina in an multicultural neighborhood (at least 8 distinct ethnicities within 1km) with multicultural friends et cetera
DJ is probably a monocultural Anglo-European, married to an Anglo-European in an Anglo-European neighborhood with Anglo-European friends et cetera
LoneRebel is probably a monocultural Philipino, married to a Philipino in a Philipino neighborhood with Philipino friends et cetera
MF is probably a monocultural Finn, married to a Finn in a Finnish neighborhood with Finnish friends et cetera
AT_Stalk is probably a monocultural Swede, married to a Swede in a Swedisish neighborhood with Swedish friends et cetera
Honestly, these guys would not recognise a fact if it ran over them or slapped them in the face.
Come on you hypocritical trolls, give up with the BS slandering me as a anti-muticultural racist. If you want to see one, look in your bathroom mirror, you may actually find one there
Oh also, AGS, your attacks on Catholicism (which I quoted in an earlier post)
You just copied the quotes that a certain troll used as trollbait.
He is probably laughing his head off now.
In fact at least one of those quoted comments was criticism of atheism, not catholicism (starting to doubt wether you even read the quotes that you copied from uberTroll)
As your brother in Christ, i did warn you about that trap, so that you would not be fooled and fall into it.
But did you heed good advice?
No
You did not just fall into it........., you jumped and dived into the mud head first!
That loathsome troll has got you doing his dirtywork for him.......... (notice those 2 atheists don't need to be here anymore, because you have been attacking/trolling me for them)
UberTroll wanted to start a Catholic V Protestant feud, which i wanted to avoid, because it would not be of any value for the cause of Jesus Christ, which is why i warned you about the trap.
Avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. (Titus 3:9)
Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. (Titus 3:10)
seem to me to be an attempt to distance your type of Christianity (Protestantism) from Catholicism. Because of MF's and Stalky's attacks on Christianity,
Of course i wanted to distance Christianity from the actions of people whose actions were not based on Christian teaching, but rather, those actions were in breach of Christian teachings.
Not in this forum i haven't, Mr/Ms false accuser, i gave you a sample, in a PM, of the criticism of Catholicism that i would have written, if i had wanted to attack Catholicism.
to show them that their criticisms only apply to Catholic Christianity, and not to Protestantism, which is, of course, blameless.
Their criticisms that they were specifically pertaining to were those accredited to Catholicism.
but, of course, you would not know that because you did not read the posts that i was responding to. Guess your argument is based on, ignorance of the facts, as usual
to show them that their criticisms only apply to Catholic Christianity, and not to Protestantism, which is, of course, blameless.
True Christianity IS blameless. Actually i attribute all the evils, that the atheists blame on Christianity, to the sinful human nature which includes individuals' personal selfish ambitions which they achieve by manipulating and misusing religious fervour etc.
Many people, when they think of Christianity, think only of the Catholic Church, so it was nescesary to make the distinction.
Don't kid yourself, AGS. Protestants are responsible for just as many wrongs as Catholics are. If the Catholic Church did not do enough to oppose the Nazis, the various Protestant churches are even more guilty, especially because most Germans are Protestant.
Don't kid yourself, LoneRebel.....
The crimes attributed to the Catholic church outnumber those attributed to Protestant churches with odds somewhere between 1,000/1 and 10,000/1 and i don't think that i am being ingenerous to you
Remember the Catholic Church had over a 1000 years head start on the Protestants, much of which was during the "Dark ages" when humanity was at an all time low. This period included such grotesque indecencies as the Crusades which were sanctioned by the Vatican.
Then shall we mention Catholic Spain?!
There was the Spanish Inquisition and then the Conquistador invasions of the Americas etc..
Just the Spanish Catholics alone outslaughtered the World's Protestants by themselves by over 1000/1 odds
Protestants are responsible for just as many wrongs as Catholics are. If the Catholic Church did not do enough to oppose the Nazis, the various Protestant churches are even more guilty, especially because most Germans are Protestant.
STOP being such a RACIST LoneRebel
Remember when you attack a religion like protestant Christianity you are being racist according to your logic
Witch hunts and witch burnings were every bit as rampant in Protestant Europe as they were in Catholic Europe. Anti-semitism was present just as much in Protestant countries as in Catholic countries.?
Both of those activities/attitudes are unChristian and had their basis in the sinful human nature. Anti-Jewish attitudes are unChristian in so many ways, not to mention that Jesus Christ himslef was a JEW The burning of suspected witches was : (A) a result of the sinful human nature's for penchant killing and (B) based on fear. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. {1John 4:18} As Christians, we are not to live/act under the influence of fear.
Worry is a form of fear.
Jesus told us Do not worry (Mat.6:25)
The 10 commandments began with "Do not", therefore if our God tells us Do not worry, then to worry, is a sin!
Jesus also pointed out how pointless worrying is: Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life ? (Mat.6:27)
God's word contains the worry immunisation package (Phil.4:6,7)
In other words - whatever it was that Protestants were protesting against the Catholic Church about, it wasn't the things that mattered. They just continued many of the Church's bad practices themselves..
WRONG The protestant movement began as a protest against human corruption within the Catholic church system and a protest against the doctrines of men being given creedence over the explicit teachings of Christianity.
Just as Jesus protested against the extra-Torahl teachings of the pharisees (e.g. Matthew23)
In escence, they protested against all the bad unscriptural practices.
The Reformation, has, of course, been a work in progress, to this very day.
The Lutherens, the 1st protestant church, did not fix everything.
Oh, AGS, you so funny. Making stuff up now, are you?
No, i am just pointing out the sheer lunacy of your argument.
1st you say i am wrong, then you make a statement that affirms what i wrote which you said was wrong. Thus, you have refuted your incorrect judgement that i was wrong.
You are guilty of a "Georgism"
George is a person that i know who will reject a person's statement, then George will make a statement, that sounds a little different, but essentially means the same thing!
e.g.
Sensible person: The sky is blue in color Georgist person: NO, you are wrong, the sky is azure in color
or
Sensible person: The sky is azure in color Georgist person: NO, you are wrong, the sky is blue in color
Sensible person: There is no water in the bucket Georgist person: NO, you are wrong, the bucket is empty
Sensible person: The bucket is empty Georgist person: NO, you are wrong, the bucket is full of air
The following context is atheistic
Sensible person: Man has no more right to the land than the animals Georgist person: No, you are wrong, there are no such things as rights
In both cases, neither the animals, nor the humans, have a "right" to the land
The Georgist is just being plain silly
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To put it another way.
By an atheistic moral perspective, the swine flu has every right to wipe out humanity, if it can.
It has nothing to do with rights. If it happens, it happens. I have no idea where you're getting all this talk of rights from.
Thats right, you have no idea
No idea what you are arguing about
Read the whole thread so that you will stop making comments based on ignorance.
The talk of "rights" was begun by the Trolls who pick arguments with me.
The Trolls bring up a topic (i.e. "rights") then a Troll will attack me and accuse me of starting the "rights" topic
Was it you or Blackstump who said the Europeans should leave because the Koori were here 1st (that statement, in itself, is implicative that the Koori have a "right" to ownership of the land)?
So it was either you, or BS, that started the whole land "rights" issue
Oh, here is a conundrum for you.
If, as you say, those, like myself, who are descended from the illegal European invaders should leave and descendants of the original Koori inhabitants can stay in Australia....
What then, of those descended from both?
What is interestingly pertinent, is that the Koori never made a claim on land rights until well over 150 years after the English invaded.
Why?
Because the Koori never considered land ownership to be an issue.
Any educated person, with any real knowledge of Koori culture, will know and understand, that, in the Koori's eyes, the Koori, belonged to the land, not the other way around.
And this is why your "joke" about the Aborigines having to leave Australia because other animals were there first utilizes incorrect reasoning.
Yes, of course it utilizes incorrect reasoning, because it utilised your reasoning that Europeans should leave Australia because the Koori were here 1st
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Remember we are talking about atheistic moral reasoning.
We are talking about what you believe to be atheistic moral reasoning. I have a feeling, however, that you don't really know as much as you think you do about how atheists reason.
Never trust your feelings.
Especially yours!
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Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans. It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke
AGS, you appear to be laboring under the delusion that we need God to give us rights.
"appear" is a synonym for the word "seem"
Things are not always as they "seem" (appear)
Please LR, try to avoid the delusion that things are always as they may seem, or may appear, to you, through your eyes (buy some glasses ).
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Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans. It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke
In the hypothetical, nobody, neither humans, nor animals, have any rights. It implicitly says that both the animals and humans have no right to the land. Which, basically, is exactly the Georgist's argument
If it does, it would mean that God didn't save us, just as he didn't save the 50-80 million people who died from the Black Death, or the 50-100 million who died from the Spanish flu.
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Can't believe you would laugh about millions of people dieing from plagues etc.
Unlike yours, my opinion is based on facts. (A) Living in Australia, i know lots of Australians and, in conversations, i listen to their views (B) Living in Australia, i watch/hear a lot of Australian media, and listen to the expressed views. (C) Having studied Psychology, i have an understanding of basic human nature, generally, people don't like change, unless it is a change they have specifically asked for, or, especially desire. (C) Am not an irrational person who will argue with any and everything that a Christian writes on an internet forum.
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We dont want/need islamic influence on our western (Christian) society.
One reason you can get away with your fallacious reasoning is that you make it a yes/no question with only two answers, when in fact it's not a yes/no question at all.
The reason you cant get away with your fallacious answering, is that it IS a Yes or no question.
You are like Stalky and others, who are simply too gutless to give the question a DIRECT ANSWER, because it will expose your hypocracy
Your comment will be taken as yet another pathetic, whimpy effort to avoid answerring the question.
No surprise there
Guess i'll just add your name to the list of irrational, gutless, hypocritical, trolls who use their pseudological arguments to stop me from finishing DOF3 by wasting my time in here
you don't specify what "Islamic influence" means. .
You've read my posts, so you must know exactly what i mean, there is no need for me to spell everything out for you, you are not a child, so don't play/act stupid.
Oh, i do hope you are acting, if not, i'm sorry to hear that
Btw, when MF implied that you were an anti-multiculturalist, you attempted to refute him by claiming that you are quite multiculturalist, it's just that Muslim immigrants are somehow different from all other immigrants because they refuse to assimilate and actually seek to turn Australia into an Islamic society.
Actually i very successfully refuted MF (not that refuting MF is a major accomplishment, though it could be for you)
Yes, muslim immigrants are "somehow different", from all the other non-Muslim immigrants
Can you guess the difference?
Here is a clue: The other immigrants are not exactly the same as the Muslims ;)
Provide statistics on the percentage of Australia's Muslim population that wants Australia to adopt Sharia law, or any other form of "Islamic influence" in Australia..
If you conduct the poll of Australian muslims, i will be happy to collate the statistics for you
Please prove to me that your not a pseudoCatholic atheist.
Here is a question:
Are you a man or a woman?
Yes, there are girls who play CC
In 2006, i had a GF who played CC
My bet, is that LR is a girl, because she argues like one.
She also places an emphasis on feelings, rather than logic e.g.
As far as I can tell, you were the first person to bring up, on this thread, the whole issue of "Islamic influence". I still don't understand what made you say this, and I honestly don't feel like reading through the whole thread.
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Well, neither do i feel like doing the research for you.
Very well, then I'm going to keep my original opinion of you, since you don't seem to be willing to correct me.
You may keep your opinion
Better still, keep it to yourself
Your opinion is unimportant to me.
By expecting me to do the research for you, you are just being lazy, just as well you are not a housemaid in HongKong
On the bright side, i am going to continue to maintain my love for, and positive favourable opinion of, the Filipino people, despite your efforts to sully the wonderful reputation that other Filipinos have earned in my eyes.
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Well, it cant be racist as Muslims can be any racial group: Caucasions, Negroids, or Mongoloids.
Please explain where the strawman logic is (LR does not even know what it means)
Seriously, you say: religion and race are intertwined and accuse me of being RACIST if i express this sentiment: "We dont want/need islamic influence on our society" Which race am i being racist against?
if i say: We dont want/need Budhist influence on our society Which race am i being racist against?
if i say: We dont want/need scientology influence on our society Which race am i being racist against?
if i say: We dont want/need Bahai influence on our society Which race am i being racist against?
Just admit it...
you do not have a sceric of rational argument to justify your malicious slander
You are just being AGSist
Your pseudological and fallacious reasoning completely ignores rational thinking and proper/correct English language usage
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BUT............., you can call me a religionist
Most of the people on the planet a religionist, so i have plenty of company
I regret to say that I'm not one of those people. It may seem to be a strange concept to you, but for me, a person's morals are more important to me than his or her religion.
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As i pointed out in an earlier post, a person's morals are shaped by their belief system (faith/religion) This also includes the faith of atheism , as atheism is indeed a faith.
I don't find it amusing at all. Don't put words in my mouth
It was you you put the laughing smiley (which symbolises yr laughter) there, so please apologise for falsly accusing me of putting words in your mouth.
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FACT: The Islamic leaders of the muslims in western countries are calling for islamification of those countries
The Imans of local Mosques (The equivalent of pastors and Priests in Christian Churches). Do you want a list of their names? If you do, your google works as well as mine
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FACT: Political correctness says we cant stop them
Well, AGS, this is a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory you got here. Not that it's original - it sounds exactly like something Ann Coulter or Jean-Marie le Pen would say.
I am not going to argue with you on your elaborate conspiracy theory involving Satan and his myriad plans to eliminate Christianity. It's a faith-based argument, and there's really no point arguing about faith. There is, of course, no scientific proof that Satan is behind all of the events you listed as part of a grand "plan" to annihilate Christianity. Not that this will change your mind. Like I said, it's a faith-based argument. Pointless to argue.
It is a feasable interpretation of history through a broad Christian spiritual warfare worldview
By reading your posts it is obvious that you still have not read this thread through properly because you continue to ask the same questions again and again that stem out of ingnorance of the previous conversations in this thread.
Please do your research, then come back and edit all the unnescesary questions out of your posts.
It still amazes me that you claim to be a believer in the Christian God, yet you attack only those who believe in the christian God and you dont seem to care about atheists' attacks on Christian beliefs.
Who's side are you on?
Are you on the FOR GOD side, or, the AGAINST GOD side?
Translation: don't blame our Western Secular government system for the huge influx of Islam's into Anglo-Saxon neighborhoods. Blame the Corrupt Capitalistic system that controls our elected leaders with heaps of $$$, influence peddling and backroom deals.
Translation:
Don't blame the system
, instead
, blame the system ,
It is only Political CorrEctness, which only exists in secular government systems, which is the cause of the things i complain about (illegal immigration/minority rule), not the corrupt corporations, so you are wrong in regard to the issues i speak of. It may be an issue in the USA, but it does not work that way here.
Secular political correctness IS the cause of the problems
Big Corporations don't give a rat's azz about people or the interests of average citizens. They will slit our throats to make an extra penny for their greasy selfish paws and for their shareholders. We've been sold-out. It is the achilles heel of "Democracy". It is all about the $.
Yeah, mate i agree with you that the soulless capitalist corporations are just plain evil
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. (1 Tim 6:10)
democrcy is ok
but
Capitalism sucks severely
What about marxist communism?
Bring back Sieterayos............?
OH GOD NO!
The problem is the sinful human nature for which there is only one cure....
Yes the "Christian" Fundamentalists aka American Taliban are just as Nuts as the Islam Fundamentalists. What is the difference? They both favor Sharia Law style rule, reject or mock Science, hate Jews or non-believers. Or like you said Stwa...they outright advocate violence or murder of non-believers or political dissidents that do not conform to their Religious ideology. I actually know someone here in my area that calls himself a "Christian" and told me "there will be blood" meaning exactly what you just said.
"They both favor Sharia Law style rule"
DJ, you are Nuts
There is no comparison
"What is the difference?"
Man...., you really need an ejamakation
"Christian" Fundamentalists being compared to: Taliban
There is virtually no difference between the "Christian" Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists in that they both advocate Rule of Law under Religious Ideology. They do not even want a Free Democracy. They want Government controlled Religious mandated law.
There is virtually no difference between the "Secular" Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists in that they both advocate Rule of Law under their Ideology. They do not even want a Free Democracy. They want Government controlled their Ideologically mandated law.
Secular is synomamous with Atheist
Atheism is a Faith in its own right
Secularism and Atheism
What's the difference?
None!
other than secularism is institutionalised atheism
Secularism is Government controlled, Secular Fundamentalist, mandated law
there are many faiths in this country and yours
the majority are christians
but against democratic principles
the atheist faith has all the power and control over the government
We get it you don't like Muslim people that immigrate to your lands.
(that is a very general statement)
Are trying you to build a straw man?
Never said: "i dont like them"
People are ok, its the culture they bring with them
What i don't like is: Islam invading Australia (we did not ask them to come here, they are uninvited and rudely just turn up,..... should we be happy?)
If you read my posts properly you would know that i am specifically complaing about ILLEGAL immigrants, who happen to be mostly Muslims.
2ndly, i am complaing about the fraudulent nature of many of these illegal immigrant boat people. Many of them are ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS who fraudulently claim to be persecuted refugees seeking asylum.
3rdly i have been complaing that these queue jumbers are disadvantaging genuine refugee asylum seekers because the illegals use much more of our immigration department resourses per capita than those who apply legitimately from OS, who cant even get their applications looked at because our immigration officials are flooded with illegals.
Also, i am complaining about those Muslim immigrantss who want to change our culture, especially those who want to introduce Sharia Law and whose goal is to make Australia an Islamic state!
If they want to live in an islamic country, they should seek refugee status in an islamic country.
But they come here and criticise our culture (reminds me of whinging P.O.H.M.s )
Whats even worse, is that we have to pay for their cultural idiosyncrasies:
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RATEPAYERS could be stung up to $45,000 to install curtains at a public pool so Muslim women can have privacy during a female-only exercise classes
Also, because of their highly sexually discriminative religion, they are allowed to circumvent our anti-sexual discrimination laws.
You know, when i am riding my motorcycle, i am not legally allowed to go into the petrol station cashier's office with my fullface helmut on, but a muslim woman can go in with her burqa on.
Special priveledges for the Muslims.
Guess the laws may change after a series of armed holdups by robbers wearing burqas
If they came here and blended into Australian society, without ruffling feathers, like, for example Indian Hindus, or East asian Budhists, that would be just fantastic.
But no.....
impirical evidence says: where there are Muslims in large numbers, there will be trouble.
Have a look globally, where is most (90%+) of the trouble, violence and general unpleasantness found?
What is the religion that coincides with all the trouble......?
We had a Muslim riot at the US embassy the other day because some yanks made an anti-Islamic film and several Australian policemen were injured.
Christians......., no problem
Budhists......., no problem
Taosist......., no problem
Shintus......., no problem
Hindus......., no problem
Jews......., no problem
Marxists......., no problem
even the neo-Nazi thugs cause less trouble than the Muslims
There is a reason why the Islamic World is in chaos and suffers from poverty, lack of education and violence...it is because they never have been able to implement a Secular Government, with the exception of Turkey..
Actually you are wrong, most of the islamic countries had/have secular governments: Egypt, Libya and Syria to name but a few. AFAIK, Iran is the only 100% religion controlled state in the world (other than the Vatican City state)
There are several reasons why people are trying to get out of the 3rd world and it not just about religion.
Realy, i would never have guessed (sarcasm intended).
Actually religion is a motive that causes only a small fraction of refugees
e.g. the Shiite Hazara people from Afghanistan flee from Sunni Taliban persecution.
In a previous post, i mentioned that i welcomed the muslim Hazara people because they are genuine refugees and they assimilate well into Australian culture.
WHAT INFLUENCE? You meant the influence of those people immigrating into your communities. Stop trying to sugarcoat it. Secular Law works. Religious law does not.
This is a straw man argument because dj is refuting a position that i do not hold
Never have i even suggested, let alone, argued for religious government
panzerjager has borrowed the chassises from CC5:Stalingrad mod - that time nobody was pissed when the other mod used your resources... but staying on topic, he was banned for hating muslism - O tempora o mores!
Oh, i was referring to the CC3 PanzerJager mod by Luer
Not a mod by PJ the jealous creator of several good CC5 mods
Actually, that concept or idea may not have been taken from Luer's panzerjager mod, it may have been taken from Englander mod, can't remember for sure, it was 7-8 years ago after all.
Not wanting to add to the trainwrecks thread now that we have a clear lead, i shall return to topic @ Dima, Really!? PJ was banned for having a dummy spit about Muslims
Could not imagine PJ being passionate enough about anything to get banned. (yes Sheldon, that was sarcasm)
btw. hope you don't mind , borowed a few of your vehicles for a major cc3 release maybe towards end of year.
If you are speaking about vehicle graphics...
Your welcome to them Curtain, most of the were stolen anyhow
Actualy i did modify some vehicles' graphics (tanks, HTs and guns). They were modified by me using stolen copies of PSP (actually several trial versions of PSP)
If you are referring to vehicles.txt file data strings................
DONT YOU DARE &*%$#@
sorry Curtain, i was temporarily possessed by a cranky French CC5 modmaker's spirit
Seriously, use whatever you like.
The data is what i am most proud of. It could be better still, but i could not be bothered. If i was going to re-edit all the vehicle data, i would redo all the FrontSide armor values differently
Dont forget to use the multi-vehicle methodology, that i used to create multiple vehicles, using a single chasis and shadow, which i stole from the Panzerjager mod iirc
Note what i did with the Nashorn/Hummel and Stugs
Also with PaK88/PaK128/BS-100 and other guns too i think.
People should be free to practice whatever religion/denomination they choose...but not force me to adopt their particular views.
So what you are saying is that no faith based belief system should be institutionised into the national system?
Then why is the godless theory of evoltion imposed on taught to y/our children as a fact! in shcools?
The theory of evoltion is part of the faith of atheists, who by faith, believe everything that other atheists tell me them that denies the existance of God.
Did you know that the Evoltionist atheists have a deity?
Its true!
They have a goddess called "Mother Nature" to whom they acredit all the amazing things they cant explain
Just watch some nature documenaries, they nearly always mention her
This goddess is often attributed with: inteligence; planning; creativity; awareness; foreknowledge; biological engineering; and a myriad of other godlike qualities
Thank God that my faith does not require all the blind faith needed by atheists to believe that this world and its veritable explosion of life that exists against virtualy infinitie mathematical improbabilities while denying the mathematical certainty of the existance of the infinite God.
That's not the issue. It is about immigration policy. If you do not like the people your country admits, don't blame the Islams for wanting to get the hell out of their fundamentalistic war-torn nations.
My beef is with our secular government, our secular media and with the secularly evovled political correctness BS, that if unchecked, will lead to this nation, once called the "Lucky Country", becoming the asshole of the world
Myself and many other Australians are totally sick of our nation bending over and letting the rest of the world sexually abuse our rhectum!
We dont have protectionism re import/export (like everybody else incld USA).
So our farmers have to let their fruit crops rot on the ground because we are forced to buy foreign fruit that we don't need. We must buy apples from countries (that we dont need) that have apple diseases (that we dont have and dont want) because we are the only nation in the world who signed every ttreaty and obeys all the rules
Australia is the least racist, least protectionist, most obediant to international rules/treaties in the world and what do we get for that?
You can't say the Islam Fundamentalist nations are bad, yet won't support the people that want to get the hell out and live in a Western free democratic nation.
Oh yes i can, dont worry, i morally support their efforts to change their own country into a Western style free democratic nation. If they are prepared to die (risk their lives to get here on unseaworthy leaky boats), then they should risk their lives for an unselfish cause like reforming their own nation (instead of changing our nation into yet another shithole).
But them coming here, in the long term, can only lead to this happy Western style free democratic nation becoming another miserable Islamic Fundamentalist nation.
No matter, i am emmigrating in a few years and gonna rent my house out to some Muslims or Chinese
Even here in America we are constantly being hi-jacked by so-called "Christian" fundamentalists that instigate violence by threatening to burn holy books of other religions or celebrate death of our own soldiers because Gay people exist.
Yeah, Fred Phelps and the Westborro Church also celebrated during the Australian bushfires over the incineration of every evil australian Please dont use the term Christian fundamentalists to describe the Westborro Cult GroupThats like calling the Republican and Democrat parties the Fascists and Communists
I also find this particular collection of your sayings very interesting, AGS.
Don't tell me - this is respectful already for you compared to what you would have wanted to say?
Again Stalky is trolling and you are the sucker he was luring into his trap
Syempre Stalky OMMITTED ALL THE ANTI-CATHOLIC rhetoric of MajorFrank to which i was responding.
In the context, i was defending Christianity (even Catholoicsm) as MF was claiming that Christians are warmongers etc.
Among the points i was making is that humans are warmongers and will use any excuse, even falsely claiming religion as an excuse for their aggression.
Guess you foolishly fell for Stalky's trap because you jumped into a discussion late, without any comprehension of the full context
Before you make any more illconsidered posts, you should read the entire thread. This will save you the embarrassment of making any more uninformed comments
AGS, I'll just leave this quote by Stalky here, because I find it quite interesting. Perhaps you can help me understand it?
Stalky is trolling
Re his quotes of me, they are selected out of context and highlighted by him in such a manner as to blurr my messages' meanings for his own insidious purposes.
Its simple what i am saying is, i am not a racist, if i was, i would have married woman who is of British descent, like myself.
Also i am saying i don't want an invasion of muslims/islam that leads to an islamification of Australia.
Is that too difficult for you to understand?
LoneRebel, should i want Australia islamified?
Am i a racist, or am i an immoral person, in your eyes, because i don't desire the islamification of Australia, is that what you are saying LoneRebel?
LoneRebel, would an Arab muslim be a terrible person for saying he did not want lots of european Christian refugee immigrants flooding into his country because he did not like the fact that they, like the Christians who were already there, might start spreading christian ideas and beliefs, that could ultimately change his country? (of course, if christianity did overcome islam in his country, it might become a nicer place to live )
And this is why your "joke" about the Aborigines having to leave Australia because other animals were there first utilizes incorrect reasoning.
INCORRECT Remember we are talking about atheistic moral reasoning.
Because, hypothetically, humans do not have any God given moral rights, or, right of way, logically animals have as much right to the land as humans. It was a perfectly rational, legitimate, reasonable, logical and humerous joke
As for the swine flu, if by any chance the flu or any other microbe wipes out humanity, will we even be talking about rights? We'll all be dead.
"History is written by the victors" (Winston Churchill). As Victory gives the the victors the moral right to write history, the microbes can tell of the many atrocites committed against flu-kind by the evil humans
If it does, it would mean that God didn't save us, just as he didn't save the 50-80 million people who died from the Black Death, or the 50-100 million who died from the Spanish flu.
Can't believe you would laugh about millions of people dieing from plagues etc.
As far as I can tell, you were the first person to bring up, on this thread, the whole issue of "Islamic influence". I still don't understand what made you say this, and I honestly don't feel like reading through the whole thread.
Well, neither do i feel like doing the research for you.
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Well, it cant be racist as Muslims can be any racial group: Caucasions, Negroids, or Mongoloids.
I regret to say that I'm not one of those people. It may seem to be a strange concept to you, but for me, a person's morals are more important to me than his or her religion.
As i pointed out in an earlier post, a person's morals are shaped by their belief system (faith/religion) This also includes the faith of atheism , as atheism is indeed a faith.
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When it comes to institutionalised racism, the Philippines is among the leaders along with many asian countries.
No foreigners can own land in the Philippines, nor can they become citizens.
My children could become citizens only provided they are born to a Filipina mother.
Oh, please. If we allowed foreigners to own land, foreigners would own everything in this country. I guess that's alright with you, but it ain't alright with us.
It may be a surprise for you that i agree with you entirely. In fact i wish Australia would adopt exactly the same policy in regard to land ownership. At this present time the Chinese are buying up large tracts of land here and, if they continue at the present rate unchecked, will own over 60% of our agricultural land by 2050 including much of our water reserves.
Besides, foreigners have ways around that law, such as marrying Filipinos. No offense, but I really have to wonder if all the foreigners who marry Filipinas actually love them.
Thats is an offensive thought. Many Filipinas have found a way around their poverty such as marrying foreigners. No offense, but I really have to wonder if all the Filipinas who marry foreigners actually love them.
Just for the sake of justice, i know of a great many Filipina/foreigner marriages and their love is genuine. Yes, there are also some horror stories re Filipina/foreigner marriages, but they are the minority.
It is a fact that bad news gets around fast and good news is just not worth mentioning.
One of my sisters was furious when she heard that i had married a Filipina because she had heard so many stories of Filipinas marrying Australians and taking them for all they could!
Now that she has got to know my wife, my sister is happy as a pig in shit.
You need to see things from our perspective, not from your white-privilege perspective. I see you still have difficulty doing so..
Maybe you need to visit an optometrist, kasi, i see eye to eye very nicely with the Filipinos that i know and who know me.
Syempre, i am still learning of the many cultural differences.
Actually, considerring cultural factors, i was realy realy surprised, when eating at KFC in Manila, that ther paper napkins had the KFC slogan printed on them
Let me give you an example. As you know, many Filipinos go abroad to work as domestic help in other countries. I notice that when the news media in "destination" countries, such as the Middle East, Singapore and Hong Kong release an article about Filipino domestic help, it's usually in the context of how lazy and irresponsible Filipinos are, etc. Whereas articles about them written by Philippine media usually focus on the inhumane abuse they receive abroad. This is an example of those Singaporeans and Hong Kongers failing to see things from our point of view. I dunno about you, but I prefer to believe our media over theirs. And being a lazy maid is less morally reprehensible than locking your maid inside the house and then beating her to death. lol
Must admit that i find it very troubling that you find that amusing
Here's another example, one which might be more interesting to you. As you know, many Filipino women marry Caucasian men. When Caucasians talk about these relationships, it's about how Filipinas date white men only so that they can green cards for their entire families to move to that man's country, or about how Filipinas only marry white men for their money. Whereas, when Filipinos talk about Filipinas marrying Caucasian men, we have cautionary tales about our women being beaten by their white husbands, among other forms of abuse. This is another example of foreigners failing to see things from our point of view.
Nothing new to me there, i have heard it all before. When i 1st found myself falling for a filipina, i began researching and found all the good and bad stories from both perspectives.
Now i shall give you an education. My marriage is not an exception! There are thousands of deleriously happy marriages between Filipinas and foreigners. No bad treatment, no golddigging etc etc.
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Trouble makers, both here and overseas, rave on about racism in Australia, yet, especially considering our Laws, Australia is one of the least racist countries in the world
"The latest group to claim victim status are white Christian males, who claim that, 'Everyone receives special treatment except us.'" Look at it from a sociological point of view. You're a member of the most powerful societal group in human society at this time. Count your blessings.
Yes, you can be sure that i do count my blessings.
This is a good way to stay happy
Guess you dont have the sexual descrimination laws that we have here.
Long story short, you really need to cut down on all the anti-Islamic stuff. That's my advice. When you talk like that, you sound uncomfortably like Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage, or their counterparts in Europe.
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IF the Muslims stop illegally invading us & stop tampering with our society, i'll stop complaining about them.
Well, AGS, this is a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory you got here. Not that it's original - it sounds exactly like something Ann Coulter or Jean-Marie le Pen would say.
IT IS 100% ORIGINAL
There was no plagiarism involved
Just thought that up the other day.
It is a perfectly feasable course of events.
Though it will ultimately fail as a Satanic plot to eliminate/subdue/inhibit Christianity, as ALL of Satan's previous attempts have failed. Often Satan's plots have even completely backfired.
A short list of Satan's failures to eliminate Christianity.
Christ's crucifiction, this backfired as it was the cornerstone of Christian faith Jewish oppression of Christians including the stoning of the Apsotle Stephen led to the 1st Christians to leave Jerusalem and spread Christianity throughout Judea.
Saul of Tarsus was sent to Damascus by the Jews to opress Christians there Saul became Paul the apostle and spread Christianity beyond Damascus So Saul became the means by which Christianity spread
The Roman Empire gained part of its universal success by its Political Correctness, in allowing all of the peoples they conquered to continue in their own religions. The Roman Empire changed its policy for Christianity and attempted to wipe it out, by making christians into Lionfood.Again this backfired about 300AD when the Roman Emporer became a Christian. The Christianity then became the state religion of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire became the means by which Christianity spread.
So now that the Roman Empire was the vessel by which Christianity was transported throughout the mediterainian and western europe. The new plan was to destroy the Roman empire with the teutonic barbarians. The Goths, Vandals etc attacked and destroyed the West Roman Empire. Again this failed as eventually, one by one, the Germanic tribes accepted Christianity. These Germanic tribes began to spread Christianity to other germanic tribes and even though their methods were more in keeping with Nordic customs, they spread christianity to the Slavic peoples in the East of Europe.
The Rise of Islam became the next obvious threat to Christianity. In the 8th century AD, the Moorish Muslims invaded Christian Europe from the southwest, through Spain, but were defeated by Charlemagne at the Battle of Tours http://wwwen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
In the 16th century AD, the Ottoman Muslims, who invaded Christian Europe from the SouthEast, through the Balkans, were stopped at Vienna http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire
European nations that evolved from the Germanic tribes (England France, Spain etc) eventually went on to spread christianity throughout the world.
Atheism and humanism, especially atheistic regimes like fascism and communism were also threats to Christianity. They actively attempted to eliminate all religions, but they failed as the truth is stronger
Christianity is now growing strongly in China and the former Soviet republics
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