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  Topic: Pzt.....war

Replies: 44
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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:58 pm   Subject: Re: Pzt.....war
Nostalgia unbound!
  Topic: War Documentaries

Replies: 226
Views: 240039

PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:44 am   Subject: Re: War Documentaries
kawasaky wrote (View Post):
Those are the main reasons why I am against the date of 23 August being "a Europe-wide Day of Remembrance for the victims of all totalitarian and authoritarian regimes". Undoubtly it is a nice thing to remember the victims of Stalinism alongside those of the Nazis, but the ww2 didn't start because of Stalin-Hitler non-aggression pact, and it was only a tactical move on part of both sides, aimed to buy some time before the inevitable showdown. The much better date would be 29 September, as far as I am concerned.

There are many dates one could put forward. The 7th of december 1941 is another good one since the war really became global with that one. 22 june 1941 could be another good date if one is looking to commemorate victims, as most of the dying was done on eastern soil.

ArmeeGruppeSud wrote (View Post):
Just to remain thread-relevant, i did religiously watch the British "World at War" series back in the 70s and enjoyed it thoroughly.

I also enjoyed the World at war series as well. Definitely the best series regarding the war, so much great photography - I especially recall the colour scene from Midway - but add to that all the great interviews from civilians and generals. Its easy to realise the budgets for tv-producitons were huge back in those days, compared to all the crap they produce now for a nickel or two.
  Topic: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 4:21 pm   Subject: Re: Historical Accuracy or Game Play?
Dima wrote (View Post):
I believe that historical balance is the best balance, that's why my goal was to make GJS 4.4 TRSM as historically accurate as CC5 can afford and i believe i've achived that Very Happy.

AGS, i suggest you ignore that guy as he is real troll Wink (if you have questions about EF, just drop me PM).

(Hello Dima, its been a while!)

I'd like to say that there really need not be a conflict between game play and balance. The game play is rather enhanced by the perpetual transformation of power on both sides. Deploy, battle groups, fuel or no fuel - all of these changing factors in grand campaigns are a big part in the longevity of the game; I am sure I would not still have been as interested in CC if it had just been about single battle meeting engagements with equal number of tanks, etc. (Ok, a rough simplification but you get the idea.) The fact that things always keep changing on the battle field creates the value of CC.

So clearly I believe historical accuracy to be of high importance, not only because it would feel weird playing a Normandy mod where e.g. Germans have air supremacy or Hitler contra factually having deployed his two panzer divisons (most us are history buffs to some degree why this has importance in itself anyway), but because the historical assymmetry gives CC its unresistable flavour.

Finally I dont think it really matters if Germans "cant" win a campaign over 26 days, doing well as Germans should count as a stalemate, at least as far as I am concerned.
  Topic: Windows 7 & Close Combat

Replies: 22
Views: 55805

PostForum: Tech Support   Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:14 pm   Subject: Re: Windows 7 & Close Combat
I had the same problem of "action not supported", but I eventually found a solution to my problem - I dropped screen resolution from 1920 x 1080 to 1024 x 768.
This is the only resolution of the screen where the game will launch and not have any "action not supported" problem, all the others results in the same problem.
  Topic: TRSM - Red Scorpion vs ActionJackson

Replies: 15
Views: 28455

PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:14 pm   Subject: 11.6.44
The front as of 11.6.44

AJ has put up most of his class A material, and so have I. Very intense battles ahead, with alot of kill power on both sides.

Lebisey Woods


The 11th starts off with a real bummer on my behalf. My Avre was apparently within LOS of this Panthers, and got immobilised by the first

shot, thus unable to retreat.

After the battle I loose another Avre, two down in one battle surely means the beginning of the end of my defense of Lebisey woods.


I brace myself for the oncoming assailants. Being down to one Avre makes AJs job alot easier.
Nimble scout cars spill forth from AJs deploy, they attempt to cross the wooden area in the west.

No folks, its not a funnel, its a Panther. A well directed HEAT in the flank of the cat put it out of its (my?) misery. The Piat team did

great, only to die to german smgs a little later.
Stationed in the forest is also a voracious Panther that got hurt by a valiant Sherman. This cat eventually got scrapped, to my great satisfaction.

The Avres were clearly the key to my holding off his cats, and as soon as they were demolished I was thrown back severely. Poor defense on my side letting them go that easily.



In this glorious summer morning, birds singing and sun already scorching the metal of my machines I set out for blood in Bretteville. The first engagement set a good example... Green trees and... Ah the warmth of human conflagration!

The orchard provides a good cover for my armour and men, or so I imagine, because the problems gather like ominous clouds at the outset. AJ drops a heavy mortar barrage on my armada, immobilising the queen unit - the Avre.

The attack doesnt go farther than 100metres, AJ throws in PZIVs and STUGs. The orchard becomes a killing field, and I barely manage to stay on the map.

The losses are quite heavy, and I loose ground.


For the afternoon I take a more careful approach, attacking very small area to gain back some ground since last battle.
With a 6 pdr hidden down south I wish to lure some german tanks into its line of sight - with the bait of a centaur (a precious tank after all). The hook-line-sinker method hardly works out, as his Tiger takes out the centaur and disappears out of the los of the 6pdr after only one shot was fired.

I got some areas but lost a precious tank. Things are not going forward here exactly.

Abbaye de Ardenne


I move the 22/7 into Abbaye de Ardenne. My objectives are quite humble, only to take some ground to be able to prepare a better attack for the next round.


In the afternoon I set up defensively again. My main hope rests with my 6pdrs.
The battle starts, and immediately two Tigers are within 6pdr LOS. One tiger is set ablaze from the outset, and the 2nd sustains about 10-15 shots before it finally takes out the 6pdr.

My vickers and brens managed to kill plenty of AJs infantry, including a schreck team. A good battle for me.



In Lingevres things are not going good for the 69/50. I gather I should have moved in here from Rauray instead. So far I managed to lose about 10 tanks here trying to get behind the krauts defense lines. The set up of the map plays well for the defender. The river in the middle is easily held with ATGs and tanks from the left bridges, and the main roads can be kept with guns and tank destroyers.

In the early morning my AVREs are packed together trying to take on the north west part of the map. Unfortunately they are enclosed from all angles by AJs AT.

A mortar barrage hammers down an 88.

My infantry crawls to AJs sylvan retreat. My attack is not really planned. The tanks are not moving due to 88s that I cant see, and his fearsome JPIVs lurk are different angles. The infantry cant be backed up. I really shouldnt have ventured in among the trees.

The defense in the orchard is solid as well. My infantry is stopped by Pio teams spitting fire on them.


The crawling dirt bags are back in the afternoon, worming their way through the orchard.

AJ left the orchard almost undefended this time.

My hat off to AJ, his defense of Lingevres is inexpugnable so far.

Tilly sur Suelles


Having last time gotten a good foot hold in the north east area of Tilly sur Suelles I decide to attack there full scale to try to outflank him by going through the northern part westwards. Im pretty hopeful AJ is setting his main defense in the city.

I was wrong. AJ has all north stuffed with 88s and Pak40s. I manage to salvage some infantry, but as for my tanks I shed some bitter tears.

My hopes this morning are rebuked by the furious 88s


For the afternoon I switch to the city area as targeted area.

As happened earlier, Pio teams stop the first teams from entering the bushes.

AJ hands my men back by the coffinload, but alas, tanks save the attack by taking out AJs halftrucks

A foothold is established, even if the other foot firmly rests in the grave.

My tanks take a beating too, 88s and paks hammer down on me as soon as I try to move forth the armour.

Carnage again, AJ clearly knows the job of defense.



I take it easy in Colombelles. In the morning the RAF is set upon the sleepy PZIVs guarding the north.


A good start in the afternoon, David hurls his 57mm into the mouth of Goliat.

A bad ending of the afternoon, I move up 2 tanks to take on AJs armada, but I lose both.

My progress here is slow as well.

Bois du Bavent


Its time to throw the nasty Hitlerjugend out of Bois du Bavent.

Im almost abashed to see that this map has some coding bug, cos as I move forward AJs positions are revealed to me.

His whole army lies in wait in the woods.

I send the machines in to chew these little buggers up.

But the wrathful heavens send barrage and shells upon my tanks and men.

AJ retreats at the sight of the killer machines. We push forward with our army.

The allies storm with rancour after the retreating nazis.

Proud brits are floundering the fields of übermensch fleisch, but as my tanks have been either immobilised by barrage or HE, the attack grinds to a halt.

Smoke signals, the last germans are defending the houses.

A good attack for me, but I still think the map coding was to blame as I was revealed most of his positions.

Results at the end of the 11.06.44

We are now controlling almost equal amounts of VLs, as the status of the campaign easily flicks between allied and german victory.

  Topic: TRSM - Red Scorpion vs ActionJackson

Replies: 15
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PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:10 am   Subject: 9.6.44



The problem with attacking a town like Bayeux is that its hard supporting the infantry with tanks. The tanks obviously cant go where the infantry is, and the defenders can easily hide where they cant be suppressed. The only solution is to amass a great number of infantry, and hold back on the armour.

AJ gives ground and holds his defense where its possible.

If possible, always utilise infantry attacks from more than one side. This additional charge (1 inf team) from the east made it possible to stave down the wall of the defender.

And kill them all

And the stuart has clearly no chance of participating in the massacre, as the krauts are staying back. And as I try getting the Stu closer to the enemy the vermin fausts (fists Laughing ) it properly!

Still a good deal of progress in this environment.





At 14:00, AJ had retread his tanks of the map.





Lebisey Woods


Lebisey Woods

14:00 Tiger battlegroup enters from south west

Two tigers set ablaze in first battle!








14:00 Tanks relieve the AL, entering from Pegasus

  Topic: TRSM - Red Scorpion vs ActionJackson

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PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:50 pm   Subject: Gold and Benouville.
A brief chronicle of devastation in the verdant vales of Normandy.


6am, 7.6.44

My attempt at sneaking in through the stone wall with a carrier and spot his AT positions fails as he manages to KO it right as it passes the gap, making further tank movements impossible. I start moving up tanks trying to duel his Paks in the bunkers. Its all a mess. I manage to kill all but one in the crew of an ATG positioned near the house, but I loose 3 tanks trying...

2pm, 7.6.44

Last turn it didnt fare well for me here, as you can see. So for the afternoon I devised a plan including 3 x 6 pdrs hidden in the bushes. Unfortunately that screen got missing, so I cant present you with the set up,but the fact is that they KOed 5 guns while letting the naval take down the 6th.

After that the personal massmurder was all that remained, and the tanks do that job the best, so I used infantry to scout them out. They were amassed in the bunkers.

And death's scythe shone in the afternoon sun!

It took 3 battles to empty Gold of its defendants, thats IMO 1 too many, but considering I swapped bgs I must say I am pleased.


6am, 7.6.44

Finally able to move into this map I decide to move on south and on north of map. In the south I run into a german defense which is subdued with help of shermans.

The north part I managed to sneak and get, despite an annoying sniper dealing death from some tower from afar. His lone pak35/36 stayed away from me.

2pm, 7.6.44

In the afternoon phase I decided to renew the attack across the fields in the north, with another one running concurrent through the center. I dont find AJ anywhere. The guy has assembled his forces in the Chateau of the south west. When I arrive, my men are coming team by team, and I decide to go through with an attack anyway.

AJs AT teams overcome their "terror threshold" and throws a molotov into the "tommy-cookers" hatch, and lo and behold, its destroyed.

A second one is immobed by another AT team, as my men fail in their attack against the german masses.

6am, 8.6.44

"Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army" Rev 19

The day of wrath, day of reckoning, judgement day - call if what you want, the outcome is the same, the sinful will be taken to roast in hell! Some minor adjustments to the drama though, instead of horsemen we got the AVRE, and instead of hellfire we got a spigot 290mm.

So let the angel open the 7th seal!

"The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." (idem)

"Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. He will rule them with an iron scepter." (idem)

"The beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh." (idem)

  Topic: TRSM - Red Scorpion vs ActionJackson

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PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:31 pm   Subject: Pics from 7th and a few from morning of 8th
Assorted pictures from the 7th, and a Bayeux pic from 06.00 on the 8th

Until AJ get his screenshots online I figured I might share those from the allied side.


The morning of the 7th of June 1944, in the godforsaken village entitled Creully, the forces of the 69/50 want to advance and destory the remaining resistance of I726/716. Despite being a fresh BG the 69/50 suffers from shortage of fuel because of the maggots at Gold. Of the 6 tanks available only a sherman turns out to be non invalid.
The attack was supposed to come from 2 directions, center and south, and to somehow tie them together. My prayers were for a crocodile to rage inferno in the woods, but alas.

The infantry assaults the ambushing krauts from the rear, but my sherm is terrible slow in the woods.

As AJ mentioned in his earlier report, the lone gun of his managed to KO my sherm when it was approaching to contest the last vl. Heavy losses in this battle, too hard without enough armoured support. So, lots of letter to write home, many ministers to engage and alot of tearful housewives over the channel, oh you know how the story goes...


The clean up operation in Tailleville on the morning of the 7th. The 22/7, heavy on armour but low on infantry is assigned to the task. In the bushes the german 736/716 is hiding. I opt for alot of armour and some infantry teams to spot the enemy for the jaws of the aforementioned machines. Once again I am also trying a kind of pincer attack, one along the north and into the city, and one down south and then east. The germans hide in the houses, but the suppression makes their defense too hard.

In the south my carrier is finished by a sniper, and the infantry suffers too. Anyway it doesnt prove to be the defense that will stop the allied advance, and as I reach south I just let my tanks hammer away at the defenseless germans who fail to utilise their little AT capabilities, to AJs great dismay. AJ's theory being that when the germans come across the "Thresold of terror," lets say 20m from a tank, they just are too scared to use their AT. It may be a sound theory! Perhaps Dima can enlighten us?
The battle ends in total allied vic needless to say.

8/3 vs I736/716 in Periers.

Thinking myself awfully smart I decide to use the north field as the right place for the north pincer. The other pincer will meet with the first around the Goston du Nord church.
I didnt expect AJ would dare defend so close with Periers being a naval map, so I loose a sherm right away.

Death from above, the naval comes like comets from Thor. Not only is the Pak43 destroyed, but the naval also flushes out a Pak181 I didnt spot initially.
With spirits high I move up the centaur to start cleaning the path for the inf.

I get too eager to kill the germans harassing my infantry, and I end up losing the centaur to a Pak35/36. Sigh! Second centaur lost on this map, also the first to a Pak35/36. They are little demons, they are.

The pincer from the south has slowly managed to get up and is starting to take on the Pak35/36s in the little houses (2 of them right beside each other).

Again I get too eager driving up a sherman to assist catching the Goston du Nord which is held by the last remains of a Zugführer team. It ends up showing its flank to another Pak35/36, and is eventually lost.

Losses are heavy


I attack cautiously from east towards south west and then straight over the fields towards west, expecting heavy resistance. AJ has Marders, paks, even granatbuchse, and I am weary of losses.

When a Marder appears its struck by the hammer from above, loosing 3 men in the crew.

I reach the area of the vl to Rauray too late, thanks to my laconical over cautious attack. Not good enough!


The morning of the 8th, a little skirmish in Bayeux. The newly landed 151/50 inf is put to training vs 915/352. I am in a tough position without better tanks then Wolverine (no mg) and some armoured cars, I realise my attempt is not gonna be succesful. After we've made a conflaration of Humber and Marder we decide for truce.

  Topic: Colour pictures from 100 years ago

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:31 pm   Subject: Re: Colour pictures from 100 years ago
Great photos. Things were better back then.
  Topic: TRSM - Red Scorpion vs ActionJackson

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PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 7:24 pm   Subject: 6th
The first pics for the gc. From 6.6.44, 06AM. We have landed on the cursed shores of France. The land of wine, cheese and hairy women.

My attack on Gold. Crocs is the key here.

Got my exit vl.

The attack on Ouistreham which was a bad one since I failed to get the Benouville vl. It just took too much time getting there.

Bootcamp in Creully. The hordes are crawling in the mud. Obey thy leader tommy!!

Creully turned in Cruelly.

The attack on Tailleville ran across the northern part. The objective to cut the krauts off.

I made contact with the enemies forces.

Again the croc is probably the best allied tank.

My army was severly ambushed in Hillman batteries. Just took me too much time to navigate across the map to finally end up in the eye of the Pak.

The battle at Periers on the afternoon of the 6th of June. A terrible incident. I was too slow on the advance...

and again ran into the fiends guns. Despite the presence of the RAF my losses were 3 tanks, including 1 centaur, and the kraut retained all of his guns.

Thats about it from the 6.6.44. AJ had withdrawn from all of the beaches except for Gold and Ouistreham. I feel the rust is finally giving way for bronze, perhaps I shall reach silver and gold qualities in a few days.

  Topic: Trevlig Semester!

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PostForum: Skandinaviskt Forum   Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:37 am   Subject: Re: Trevlig Semester!
Ja tack detsamma till alla svenskar!

Systembolaget slog rekord på dagen före midsommar såg jag på nyheterna igår. Alkoholkontrollanterna verkade väldigt exalterade, vilket förefaller mig märkligt när deras bolag vidmakthåller sin existens för att kunna "kontrollera drickandet"... Jag tyckte mig dessutom se en glimt av dollartecken i den stolta talespersonens ögon. Finns det oärliga statsanställda? I Svitjod?

Nej tacka vet jag fulöl!
  Topic: Your battleplan...

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PostForum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy   Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:45 pm   Subject: Your battleplan...
Concentrate, concentrate, concentrate! its the only thing that works, for attack or defense.
  Topic: Deal of the century?

Replies: 9
Views: 6486

PostForum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy   Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:21 pm   Subject: Deal of the century?
Got mine for 499skr, thats about 50€ today. Still got box and all in mint condition altough cd has been a bit scratched, but still working properly. Best money spent ever considering the replayability!
  Topic: All those titles

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Views: 7175

PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:17 pm   Subject: All those titles
if you want the graphically most pleasing id suggest cc5. i also think its the best overall. some really great mods too, GJS, UTAh
  Topic: Utah Grand Campaign, AT_Red_Scorpion vs AT_Dima

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Views: 47755

PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:29 pm   Subject: Utah Grand Campaign, AT_Red_Scorpion vs AT_Dima
yah this gc has been dropped in favour of a fresh TRSM v097 one. Which should also appear in AAR format any day now.
  Topic: TRSM Dima - Stalky GC

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PostForum: H2H Multiplayer   Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:02 pm   Subject: TRSM Dima - Stalky GC
good AAR!
  Topic: What are you reading?

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:37 pm   Subject: What are you reading?
I got Niklas Zetterlings new book called Blitzkrieg, a dissection of this type of warfare basically and its history... Got through the first chapters and seems promising.
  Topic: gamespy crapping out

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Views: 3978

PostForum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy   Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:36 pm   Subject: Re: gamespy crapping out
Patronus wrote:
Ok basically I cant play CC5 on gamespy.

Sounds like you got vista but you dont have service pack 1 installed... I had the same situation until SP1 was released in april. Check your windows update if its installed or not.
  Topic: SDK:DK May news

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PostForum: Die Kampfgruppen   Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:34 pm   Subject: SDK:DK May news
Keep up the hard work!
  Topic: Looking for some books...

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PostForum: The Mess   Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:58 pm   Subject: Looking for some books...
Dima wrote:
from the top of my head:

Benno Zieser / The Road to Stalingrad. (http://www.amazon.com/road-Stalingrad-Benno-Zieser/dp/B0007DPKSM)

Gottlob Biederman / In deadly combat. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Deadly-Combat-Soldiers-Eastern-Studies/dp/0700611223)

mooxe wrote:
Any nationality except German, preferably Japanese.

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