If I could only have one Close Combat title, it would unequivocally be Close Combat III. If I didn't possess a CPU limiter like Mo'Slo, I'd say Cross of Iron would be the next best thing.
Whenever we are done trainwrecking this thread I'll split it off.... If someone is looking for a torrent I dont want them to wade through all the crap.
Sorry about that, mooxe.
And Schreck, like I said, good luck with bringing an end to the hundreds of torrent downloads of Matrix games, daily. Matrix has, most likely, already lost thousands of dollars so far. You better do a better job policing up these "illegal"downloaders soon, or else you won't have a business to support anymore! *gasp* You're life will be over, then!
My last response was really to illustrate how thoughtless your last reply to me was. You make two charges against me; I’m repeating myself and I’m misquoting. You had no problems making the claims, but you didn’t show any evidence to support them. That’s why my response was terse.
You see, Schreck, it’s really quite simple and not difficult to understand: a commercial entity, Matrix, by the consensus of this community (and CC gamers that don’t frequent message boards, like this one, that I know), has repackaged an old game and had the audacity to not only charge an inflated price, but to ask us to support them. That’s the problem that I shed light upon. You’ve already admitted that the character of the mod makers is superior to Matrix, whose sole interest in CC is to make money.
I mean, think about this, even if you get the “the last word” you so desperately want here on this message board, the consumers that disagree with you (many from what I can tell), will in fact, win ultimately because they will simply choose to boycott Matrix and not buy from them (like I have freely done). Additionally, I’ve seen that the torrent links on the first page direct people to certain Matrix games that have been successfully pirated and are available free to download.
Good luck with stemming the tide on both of those issues, my friend. :)
You’ve shown yourself to be someone that makes up “facts” (like downloading torrents will destroy a person’s computer (page 1) or the CC community withering away only to be saved by Matrix releases (page 3)), which makes it unproductive to continue speaking to you.
Really, is it necessary for you to continue? Can your ego allow for people to have a differing opinion than you? Again, I would sincerely appreciate it if you would stop addressing me in your posts. Either don’t acknowledge this message or simply state that you understand and will comply with my request; please be respectful and heed my request.
Thank you and I sincerely hope that you will have a wonderful day, Schrecken.
Looking back at the previous years, there has been a slow steady decline. The years 2005/2006/2007 traffic averages per day were more in the 750-900 people per day, whereas 2007/2008/2009 its more like 550-750 per day.
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Yes, of course you did, Schrecken.
I see that you're pretty set in your thinking, Schreck, so really, please don't address me anymore in your replies. Thank you.
Schrecken, I entered this thread because Zturm (on page 2) gave his commentary on CoI to which you replied that if he thought CoI was "half-assed" then his life must be, because he played CC for many years and enjoyed it. You failed to see that he made a distinction between CoI and the original CC games, but more to the point, you still told a user on this forum that his life was "half-assed." You sounded riled up there.
I've pointed out in previous posts that I can appreciate Matrix, but that I can see why some in our community have chosen to shun them.
I don’t really care to summarize our discussion again; just re-read our discussion if it doesn’t make sense, please. If our discussion has devolved into repeating ourselves, I don’t care to go any further with you, and it seems like I've had to repeat myself twice because you haven't added anything new to your argument.
It was nice chatting with you, though, Schrecken. You've done a good job for Matrix, these last few days; I'm sure they're really proud of you for sticking up for them on this forum. :)
Its a product that provides revenue for Matrix, though, so is that why it conveniently becomes more than a game for you. You get riled up anytime someone says anything derogatory about Matrix. Next time you start doing your cheerleading and advertising for Matrix, pleading that people take a look at CoI or TLD, the community should just say, "Tough, we've got a fully functioning Close Combat game, we don't need you."
You see, Schrecken, it works both ways.
By your own admission (and no one would dispute it), Matrix is interested in being “in the black,” ONLY. The majority of the CC community doesn't care about that. They want to see CC (and the community) flourish, enough so, that many members spent their time, working hard, modifying CC and sharing the fruit of their labor with the community, free of charge.
These people, who were working on CC long before Matrix saw CC as another cash cow for them, show a beauty in their character that Matrix doesn't show; and that is, while they both have worked on improving CC, one has decided to do it for monetary profit and the other for the sake of the game, itself. Money doesn't enter into the equation for these fine people (the mod makers), and that's why you find that many here are not Matrix cheerleaders.
Sure, Matrix has made improvements to CC, but they did it with a vested interest (monetary gain) in mind. The people that kept the life blood flowing through the CC community, and who get the glory in the minds of many in our community, is the mod makers. Bless them.
There is no doubt Matrixgames' only interest is in making a living for it's owners and staff... no one has argued otherwise.
modders endeavours are of course generous and selfless, apart from those seeking adoration and compliments from their peers.... nothing wrong with that though, what ever rocks your boat.
With the above in mind the games have not advanced one iota since 2000 despite the very best efforts of the modders to bring new scenarios and Theatres of war to the table.
It is only through commercial interest that any coding and technical advancement has been achieved let alone fixing the broken code that we've had to live with since 2000.
And, on top of that, modding options have now been given a greater breadth and depth than ever before possible, all thanks to commercial interest and the dedicated work of a very few people.
All very true, Schrecken; that's why I said in a previous post that I wish Matrix the best.
Still, though, many members of this community feel that Matrix was an intrusion on their beloved game. Take for instance, this poll.
Was this poll scientific? Probably not, though I think it does reflect the feelings of our community pretty well. The majority who voted do believe in their heart, that CC will always belong to them, no matter who happens to have the legal right over it.
CC is sacred ground to many here, Schrecken, that's all. That's the reason why you find people here that do not appreciate the efforts of Matrix as wholeheartedly as you do.
éxcept the mod makers haven't done to CC what has been achieved by S3T
Not one mod with more than 44 maps Not one mod that can be fought over more than 2 turns Not one mod that fixes the broken rules Not one mod that BG's can retreat on Not one mod that can include night battles Not one mod that etc etc
So, you make a good argument but it is hollow.
You constantly speak about game features, Schrecken; that's not the issue being discussed, here. The primary issue is, where does the commitment of Matrix or the mod makers, lie? With making money or with the good of the community in mind? The mod makers have raised the bar when it comes to modifying the CC games in one profound respect and that is, they exhibit selflessness and generosity that far exceeds any virtues that Matrix can muster.
So, no more straw man arguments, Schrecken; just stick with the issue at hand, please. Thanks.
matrix are a business, probably much like the one you work for... maybe they should give away their work... or maybe you should???
Everyone involved in the production of the recent CC games gives freely of their time, both now and in the past.
Sure Matrix is a business, no one is disputing that, but their latest installments in the CC franchise are not unlike what the mod makers have put out for the community (free of charge) long before Matrix saw an opportunity to make money off of CC.
Oh, and your point about me giving away my work helps my case; that's precisely what the mod makers are doing and have done! Guys like you and me, giving of themselves for the sake of the community and for the betterment of our beloved game. Their sense of satisfaction comes not from sales figures (as in a business), but merely from seeing the game they cherish and the community they belong to, thrive.
Look, I know Schrecken you probably understand the argument I've put forth this past day, but you don't want to agree with it; and that's fine. Believe it or not, I wish the best for you and Matrix. I, do though, stand by the words I've written here, and in previous posts, and I know that many people in this community agree with me. It's just something that you will have to accept; not everyone is going to share in your opinion.
Reinforce and disband don't work correctly for you
etc
but hey, I like CC5 too.
And if Matrix Games decided to give the CC community all of these things free of charge (like the mod makers were/are doing), I would probably be interested. I am impressed more with the heart of the mod makers; freely giving of themselves for the community, than I am with Matrix Games and what motivates them.
Who pays the modders for doing the wonderful job they do?
If people don't have the money to buy a half-assed 50 bucks game (sorry, but that's what matrix releases are in my book after getting CoI)...
I concur. All the wonderful mod makers out there really kept the Close Combat series alive and well. Did they make the modifications for profit? Nope.
The mod makers saw an opportunity to modify a game and serve its community through their time and talents. Matrix Games saw a business opportunity, primarily. I owe many years of CC gaming to the mod makers; I won't give Matrix anything (I certainly won't buy from them).
I'm playing CC5 on a modern computer with the help of the "Mo'Slo" app; runs just fine.
Oh, and I just celebrated my 5th year anniversary with the closecombatseries.net forums. Thank you for giving Close Combat players a great place to congregate.
In August of 2004, Zappi, Homba, Bambam887, RedScorpion and MOOXE all pitched
in to create this Close Combat site. I would to thank all the people who have visited
and found this site to thier liking. I hope you had time to check out some
of the great Close Combat mods and our forums. I'd also like to thank
all the members of our volunteer staff that have helped over
the years, and all our users that contributed to this site!
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