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 Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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 Forum: The Mess Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:09 pm Subject: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
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Chetniks fighting Ustase was happening almost by default in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Like in our latest war, Croatians and Bosnians (Muslims) on one side and Serbs on other side.
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I have to correct myself, ustase and chetniks almost never fought each other, they fought together against partisans. There will be a topic about ustase and chetniks in ww2 Ex-Yugoslavia |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:18 pm Subject: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
Thanks Polemarchos, I'm also interested in a new thread...
Mooxe could it be done?
Best for all!!! |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:45 pm Subject: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
Polemarchos, also ustase did not fought Italians over Dalmatia, Croatian partisans did. Ante Pavelic, gave parts of Dalmatia to Mussolini, Italians accused for war crimes in Dalmatia never ending up in a prison. Because, they surrendered 1943 and switched to allies. BUUUA for allies, they did that in 1 war, when they promised parts of Dalmatia to Italy. Chetniks fighting Ustase was happening almost by default in Bosnia and Herzegovina. Like in our latest war, Croatians and Bosnians (Muslims) on one side and Serbs on other side.
Also i will post, about Serbian Kings repression towards Croatia in 1918 - 1941, killing Croatians who were too much politically (peaceful) involved in Croatian freedom (Stjepan Radic for instance). Serbian politics about Croatians going over every decent limit ended in killing Serbian King Aleksandar I. Karadjordjevic in Marseilles 1934. That assassination did ustase movement as you can see before the 2 war. I don't approve their method but that was logical as we can see similar movements all around the world. It was terrorist act. |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:16 pm Subject: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
Polemarchos,
i will reply to you soon about doctoral thesis. The documents are relevant about ustase - chetnik cooperation. Documents are held in Croatian and Serbian national archive that are now available for public. Also i will post these documents in original form and try to translate them in english.
So, you will see that some doctoral thesis is just thesis of some western misguided person who thinks that german archive is precise. It's not, people who lived here know better what happened back there. Also, you said that lot of chetniks ended their lives in Bleiburg and some other mass graves produced by communist in the end of the war. That also is just a half way truth. Great number of those people ended at the end of the war as partisans, switching uniforms unlike croatian ustase. As croatians, many people had to serve croatian regular army (Domobrans - home deffence), well, lot of those guys switched uniforms and went over to partisans. My grandfather was Domobran when he deserted over partisans in spring 1943. He ended war as a sergeant in Yuoslavian Peoples Army liberating Belgrade, Zagreb and Trieste.
I'm not so emotional as I'm mad when i here such nonsence...
Haire ! |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:21 pm Subject: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
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the pics you show are from the Ljotic Group which represent 3-5% of the Chetnik movement. as Croatian you know that your folks used same kind of barbarism, and in fact started it in WW2. I dont defend any of these actions, but it is strange that a Croat points out Serb barbarism when it was the Croats that inflicted the larger margin of civilian murders during 1941-1945.
And dont forget, in the end they all died together(Ustasha and Chetniks) in Slovenia.
read here:
Manoschek, Walter: Serbien ist Judenfrei. Militärische Besatzungspolitik und Judenvernichtung in Serbien 1941/42. Schriftreihe des Militärgeschichtlichen Forschungsamtes Vol. 38, München: Oldenburg 1985.
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Not quite true, especially about Chetnik movement...what do you know except you have read some books about it, and who knows from whom..
First of all what about Ustase regiment living peacefully with whole Chetnik Dinara Corps in Croatia near Knin (if you don't know, those chetniks were Croatian citizens - called militia in fascist Croatian goverment), and what about Croatian partisan brigades....? Specially Dalmatian brigades 90% Croatian population... For instance look at the 4th axis offensive (the battle of Neretva), how many croatian partisan brigades were involved in battle, look how many chetniks fought against them on axis side.
READ LINKS ABOVE, also...!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Neretva
7th Banija Division (joined later) also Croatian
9th Dalmatian Division (joined later) also Croatian
The point is that Ustase and Chetniks worked together along with Germans and Italians against partisans, which were almost equaly joined by serbs and croatians if you look statistically. Not to forget that Serbs were and still are almost twice numerous than Croatians.
I know that Greek people have special simpathy for the Serbs, like French too. Probably because you are both ortodox christians who fought togeteher in 1 war, but to speak about Croatians like nazis is stupid, I personally had 3 members of familly fighting in Tito's partisans, who was btw half Croatian, half Slovenien. Born Croatian.
So, in the end i have to say, i'm sorry but you people don't know anything about 2ww in yugoslavia. You don't know about Kingdom of Yugoslavia 1918 - 1941, and represion of Serbian King towards Croatians, and Croatian desire for a country of their own, long time ago lost. Lost since 1102. since Croatian Hungarian deal of union kingdom, lost from fighting against Osman Empire. In Vatican, pope Leo X in 1519. Croatian Kingdom called ''Antemurale Christianitatis'' or bulwark of Christianity (along with other nations fighting Turks - Hungarians, Germans), Croatia called 16th and 17th century "duo plorantes saecula Croatiae" or two weeping centuries of Croatia. It was pain and struggle for survival over centuries..and now Croatia is called fascist, bollocks!!
You sholud check your feelings my friend..
No offence to anyone, no war to anyone, no pain and tears for anyone, just PEACE to everyone |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:27 pm Subject: and chetniks too |
Chetniks and germans posing for photo...
Croatian ustase and Serbian chetniks drinking together... nice, all of them real nationalists, loving their own people...!!??
Germans and chetniks fighting really hard 
Chetniks doing what they know the best
Nice bunch of people...[/img][/url] |
| Topic: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
mochoho
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Forum: The Mess Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:50 am Subject: Re: Serbs arrest genocide accused Radovan Karadzic |
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| Topic: TRSM v097 thoughts |
mochoho
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Forum: Total Realism Sub Mod Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:27 pm Subject: TRSM v097 thoughts |
| MOVED TO http://www.closecombatseries.net/CCS/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5160&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= |
| Topic: Favorite Tank in GJS ? |
mochoho
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Forum: CC5 Gold, Juno, Sword Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:20 pm Subject: Favorite Tank in GJS ? |
Yap, Centaur would be my choice. It's powerful and also quicker with loading and moving...  |
| Topic: AG81 this one is for U |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:42 am Subject: AG81 this one is for U |
AG81, you know the song ''son of a butcherman''...meet you in Rijeka, hope soon enough to catch you before you start changing pampers...  |
| Topic: Units |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:42 pm Subject: Units |
Pozdrav Smetalo,
možeš li mi potvrditi popis jedinica i da li ih ima još koje nisam naveo? Ako je ikako moguće pomozi barem oko tvoje postrojbe, kada se nalazila i gdje se nalazila u kojem području. Također bilo bi dobro i kada bi znao standarno naoružanje postrojbi...
Pozdrav
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| Topic: New Mod Under Development |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:38 am Subject: New Mod Under Development |
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Samo napred momci... dobro ste to zamislili, nadam se da cete uspeti da izgurate projekat do kraja. Ja bih vam vrlo rado pomogao ali realno nemam dovoljno slobodnog vremena tako da ono... ostaje samo moralna podrska.
Btw ovo me podsetilo na sada vec neko davno vreme kada sam poceo da radim Kosovo mod za CC3 ali sam stao vec nakon osmisljavanja scenarija za pojedine operacije 
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Hvala SG_Igor, radimo na tome, za sada smo samo nas dvojica i svjesni smo da će trebat poprilično vremena dok ne završimo (imamo još dvojicu za suradnju, ali kako i sam kažeš, prezaposlenih), valjda se nećemo ošugavit sjedenjem pred kompom. Za sada AG81 je krenuo u izradu mapa i koliko znam jedna mu je gotova (koju doduše mora još malo lickat), a ja sam do grla u istraživanju i taktici.
Pozdrav svima na daleko i naširoko
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| Topic: New Mod Under Development |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:31 am Subject: New Mod Under Development |
Ej ArgOn, no problemo, we thought about it and yes AT teams will be in very different styles, alot of them, like 2men teams, 3men teams, armed with various weapons such as light MGs, AK-47 with HT grenades, and also regular infantry 7men units will have zolja rockets teherfore will have AT capability.
Respect
M |
| Topic: AG81 this one is for U |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:34 pm Subject: AG81 this one is for U |
Thanks guys,
this patch belongs to 61. independent bojna of Croatian national guard (ZNG) of Operational Zone Bjelovar back in 1991. Bojna is a unit with 3-5 platoons (300-500 men), usualy it is a part of a regiment which have 2-5 bojna.
Here is a link with Croatian patches from 1991 till today.
http://www.domovinskirat.com/foto/index.php?cat=51
Respect
M |
| Topic: AG81 this one is for U |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:58 pm Subject: AG81 this one is for U |
61. Bojna s mesnicom...
poklanjam ti slicicu kao osobni amblem... :
Bok |
| Topic: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
mochoho
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Forum: CC5 Stalingrad Operation Circle Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:38 pm Subject: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
| pzjager wrote:
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| mochoho wrote:
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Just dll'd can't wait to ply it. Many thanks pzjager !!
| Wittmann44 wrote:
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@mochoho
why do you like specially the 369th regiment?
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Although i'm antifascist, 369th regiment was Croatian regiment attached to 100th jager division of Wermacht, which fought brave despite all odds, and in some most fierced battles, like in Red October factory. 369th was completely destroyed in Stalingrad. Only 12 men surrendered to Russians in februaury 1943, after Stalingrad has fallen. 369th was the only non German unit fighting in Stalingrad. They earned few most distinguished medals from general Sanne - knights cross 1st and 2nd order.
Respect
M
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Hi Fiend,
First of all, I believe that we are all antifascist here! That's not a reason not to be interested by the WW2 by the german side. And to recognise the fantastic bravery of the 6th army after the november 19th. The fought for a bad thing, but, as you say, respect.
Just a comment regarding the croat. rgt 369. The historians do not all agree on this fact, but it is widely accepted that the regiment was disbanded EVEN BEFORE november 19th and Uranus, and the surviving Croatians then split (Split: for Croatians!!) betwen the 212/79 (that's why they are there in SDK and SOC) and the 100 Jäger.
In SOC, you have croatians in both units. Maybe overnumbered in regard to the historical reality, but it is just a mod....
Cheers
Panzerjäger
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Thanks pzjager, here's a link about 369th warpath http://www.feldgrau.com/articles.php?ID=13 it says something about 227th regiment, but probably because of the confusing times and chaos ruling it is possible that some of the documents are lost.
Cheers Pzjager and great mod is upon us
Respect |
| Topic: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
mochoho
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Forum: CC5 Stalingrad Operation Circle Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:58 pm Subject: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
Just dll'd can't wait to ply it. Many thanks pzjager !!
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@mochoho
why do you like specially the 369th regiment?
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Although i'm antifascist, 369th regiment was Croatian regiment attached to 100th jager division of Wermacht, which fought brave despite all odds, and in some most fierced battles, like in Red October factory. 369th was completely destroyed in Stalingrad. Only 12 men surrendered to Russians in februaury 1943, after Stalingrad has fallen. 369th was the only non German unit fighting in Stalingrad. They earned few most distinguished medals from general Sanne - knights cross 1st and 2nd order.
Respect
M |
| Topic: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
mochoho
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Forum: CC5 Stalingrad Operation Circle Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:37 am Subject: Stalingrad: Operation Circle is released! |
| Thanks pzjager, i was really anxious to start with this mod. SDK was great so this one i supose will be even better. Thanks once more. 369th regiment will kick ass : |
| Topic: Units |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:33 am Subject: Units |
Units of JNA (Yugoslav peoples army) and others, so far
Group North - Target capturing Borovo naselje and defence positions towards Osijek
12. proleterian BDE (Tuzla corps)
36. mech. BDE (Novi Sad corps)
211. armor BDE (Nis corps)
18. proleterian mech. BDE (Novi Sad corps)
51. mech. BDE (Kragujevac corps)
80. motor. BDE (Kragujevac corps)
16. artillery regiment
12. Military police battalion Novi Sad
TO of Rep.Serbia (home defence)
Paramilitary units
"Arkanovci"
"Dusan Silni"
2 battalions SRS
Group South - Target capturing city of Vukovar
1. guards motor. BDE
20. partisan BDE
453. mech. BDE (Tuzla corps)
1. Proleterian guards mech. BDE /1. Proleterian guards mech. DIV
2. Proleterian guards mech. BDE /1. Proleterian guards mech. DIV
3. Proleterian guards mech. BDE /1. Proleterian guards mech. DIV
added to 1. Proleterian guards mech. DIV, 130. motor. BDE, 453. mech. BDE
252. armor BDE
TO Rep. of Serbia (home defence)
120mm mortar battery
Volunteers (Beograd, Novi Sad, Ruma, Sombor, Smederevo,
Smederevske Palanke, Rogatice)
TO Negoslavci (home defence)
TO Vukovar (home defence)
Need to update, along with Croatian units
Respect |
| Topic: Weapons |
mochoho
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Forum: Close Combat 5: Invasion Normandy Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:11 am Subject: Weapons |
Here are some weapons used. Damn those infos about whats used there in 91', (whats not?) and yet pix are somewhere around 9th circle and digging a little bit more
7,65 Zastava M70 Pistol
9mm CZ 99 Pistol
M-48 carbine K98
M1A1 Thompson SMG
H&K G3 assault rifle
9mm H&K MP5 SMG
7,62mm PPSh SMG
Sokac cal. 9 mmP SMG
M-16 assault rifle
Zastava PAP M59/66 semiautomatic rifle
Zastava M85 5,56mm automatic rifle (AKS-74U)
Zastava M-70B1 assault rifle
Zastava M72 B1 LMG
EM-992 sniper rifle
Zastava M-76 sniper semiautomatic rifle
M52/MG42 MG
Zastava M-84 MMG
Zastava M-80/M80-A assault rifle
Type 56 Assault Rifle (CHN AK-47)
Zastava M-84 skorpion automatic pistol
"Ingram" MAC - 10 sub-machine gun
82mm M60 recoilless AT gun
M87 TOPAZ 100mm AT gun
T-12 100mm AT gun
M101/M101A1 105 mm Howitzer
D-20 M1955 152mm howitzer
D-30 2A18 122mm howitzer
M-46 M1954 130 mm towed field gun
M-84 Nora 152mm howitzer
60mm M70 Commando Mortar
82mm M96 Mortar
120mm M-74 mortar
M55A2B1 3x20/3 mm AA
ZSU-57 2 2x57mm SPAA
M53/59 Praga 2x30mm SPAA
M-63 Plamen MLR 32x128mm
M-77 Oganj SP MLR 32x128mm
BoV-1 ATGW 6x AT-3 Sagger Malyutka missiles
BOV-3/30 3x 20mm AA
BOV M-86 APC
BVP M80A IFV 20mm cannon, 2xMaljutka (AT-3 Sagger)
OT M60P APC
BRDM-2 Scout
BTR-50 APC
BTR-60 APC
122 mm SP 2S1 Gvozdika
76mm PT-76 Reconnaissance light tank
90mm M36 Jackson
90mm M47 Patton
T-34/85
100mm T-55
125mm T-72
125mm M-84
Will update, in progress  |
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