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Yea, 13 years ago I tried to convince MS's Project Mgr, Danan Davis, that the CC3 bonus req points were backassward. Its a looong, involved read.

The missing 'balance' graphic at the top of the page.
The missing example links (ex.1, ex.2, & ex.3) at the bottom of the page.

Sounds like the bonus req. point calculation wasnt changed in COI.

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Nice big, new trees instead of the old lollipops. It will be interesting to see how these get coded for terrain. SOP has been to account for the undergrowth (leaves/brush) as a solid column, providing LOS hinderance, concealment & cover, the rationale being that since CC maps show fewer trees than actually would exist, the trees that do get shown should have more 'impact'. The new treetops, however, spread out from their trunks much further and their terrain effect should start at ~3-4 meters to reflect the open space underneath. To allow LOS/LOF under these treetops will require a new terrain element similar to LSA's 'Under Bridge'.

Im also partial to the 'bloodless' KIA/Incaps although this is probably just an unintended feature of a stripped down PitF dev version.

Cant say I care much for the new red/blue 'front line' graphics. Not much room available for the possible graphics that could be displayed if you had a BG isolated on a small map like L'Abbaye Blanche.

The strat map contour lines should be more visible. Why contours were never used on the Overview maps is a complete mystery.

Use Mafi's CC2Tools v5.02. His manual describes how to convert/shrink maps to CC2 format. The process for converting CC5 maps to CC3 format will be very similar. Use the included CC5toCC3.txt translation table. You may have to use the tool to shrink some of the larger CC5 maps. IIRC, CC5's maximum map size was substantially larger than CC3's.

'retrieve' = delete?

Mebbe yousendit.

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Dunno what email app youre using but you might try a file upload site (200mb/file limit).

After you "pasted it on the stock coi splashscreen tga" then what?

You should save the now edited CoI splashscreen as a .BMP or .JPG,
use RTBtool to convert the .BMP/.JPG back to 16 bit uncompressed .TGA,
put the edited CoI splashscreen.tga back in the unpacked CCImages .TGA files folder,
and repack that folder with RTBtool back into a game-ready CCImages.fx file

The RTBtool is available at Mafi's site just by following the CC2tool link you posted.

Converting to/from 16 bit .TGA is shown below...

It shows as CCImages.fx because youre editing CC3 not CoI like you said at the beginning.

No way in Hades that MS Paint will save anything as a 16 bit .TGA. Suspect you saved as a 16 color bitmap (.bmp). Not the same. 16 colors is 4 bit (2x2x2x2 = 16). 16 bit is 65536 colors (2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 = 65536)

If you insist on using MS Paint, save as .JPG or 24 bit .BMP, then use RTBtool to convert to .TGA, then repack

It should say CCImages.pix. You sure it doesnt say CCImages.pix?

Reversing the process isnt that simple with GIMP.
GIMP doesnt save .TGAs in the 16 bit uncompressed format necessary. (PS & PSP do)
Save your GIMP edits as either .BMP or .JPG
Use RTBtool to convert them to (16 bit uncompressed) .TGA
Then use RTBtool to repack the edited .TGAs
A quick QA is to compare the file size of an edited .TGA image to its unpacked counterpart.
ie. if your graphics editing or save process changes the image file size the repacked game file aint gonna work

Yea, the RTBtool un/re packs CCImages.pix too. Seeing that you already had CC2Tools I tried to keet it simple.

You said you had "no luck getting the images unpack".
Like the button says (CCImages.pix->TGA) - the CC2Tools will unpack CCImages.pix.
Youre clearly trying to unpack another graphics file.
Different tools unpack different files.
The RTB Tool will unpack the .GDG and .AZP files.

To enable file extensions:

Open Windows Explorer > click Tools > click Folder Options > select View tab > uncheck Hide extensions for known file types > click Apply to Folders > Click Yes > Click Apply > click OK

No Michael, you did it your way and selected the \Data\Base\Elements file. I said to select the CCWaRElements.txt file found in the \5CC v1.17\TerrainElementsTables\ folder.

p. 15 - "In addition to these two formats (CC2&3), 5CC can use its own terrain element file format..."
p. 16 - "The 5CC package contains ready-to-use terrain elements files for CC4, CC5, RtB, CCM, CoI, CCMT and CC:WaR in CC3-format, too."

File > Preferences > Elements File tab > user defined #* button > browse to *\5CC v1.17\TerrainElementsTables\ and select the CCWaRElements.txt file (assuming that frozen wasteland is a WAR map youre trying to code). This will populate the Terrain Elements Table and the Coordinates box will show the terrain element currently under the cursor.

Its a damn shame Mafi's entire 77 page manual for 5CC was written in an obscure dialect of low Walloon and typeset in an ornately illegible 18th century Gothic font. Confused

Otherwise you'd find the above info on p.15

That self-installing version of the 5.01a patch depends on CC5 being located at C:\Program Files\SSI\Close Combat Invasion Normandy
If so, you just accept the default installation path (C:\Program Files) for the 5.01a patch

An alternative is simply to point the patch installation at some empty folder you have created, run the patch, then manually copy the patch files into the corresponding folders of your *\Close Combat Invasion Normandy directory.
This is easier done than said as youre simply replacing the existing original files with the patch files using this method.

Its only a question of sufficient hardware specs. I'd imagine the next generation of big screen super phones should be capable of emulating XP and running CC.

LG Optimus Vu - 5", 4:3, 1024 x 768

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