[Stocktov]

Is the detection distance reduced between the two?   My experience is that it isn't really that much different.  Units seem to see each other at about the same distances.  Comments?  Is it cool window dressing or is there something in the program that take into account the two?

[squadleader_id]

From what I read at the Matrix forums (or was it CSO?) the exe handles this.
In CC3 West Front night battle scenarios, you have a darkened map and a special "night elements data file".
In CCTLD this now handled by the exe (the elements data calculations and darkening the map graphics)...plus we get very nice night effects (crude effects by today's game standards...but a huge step for the aging CC engine!).

[schrecken]

LOS is reduced greatly.

Move and Sneak your troops if you don't want them to be seen.

Of course if you run around like girls waving your hands in the air and squealing  Move Fast)... you will be spotted.

Units within the flare and mortar burst area are more easily spotted by units outside the circle of light.

This is particularly evident when you drop a few mortar rounds on likely AT gun emplacement positions... you see the gun appear briefly after the explosion.

[Dima]

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[schrecken]

Dima

Don't spam the post

It was a legitimate question answered truthfully.

You are a goof, so go away.


Mods please remove the spam.

[Therion]

Screens, both of you.

[Dima]

[ll_Alexis_ll]

...that you surely have better things to do than waging your little personal war vs S3T/Matrix?

Seeing all your comments for the last three months I believe you no longer like CC.... face the fact and move on.

[ronson]

I think Dima has demonstrated his point rather well, its hard to comprehend how a team could be seen at night through 2 hedgerows, let alone be shot at....

I quite like the game myself, but the night vision is one of the areas that could do with some improvement as the distance for spotting is too far IMO.

This shows itself in the Pegusus and Merville battles.........I defy anyone to get a reasonable result in the first turn as allied, playing against a human opponent of course. When in fact both these objectives were completely taken in darkness early on the 6th as everyone knows.
It could be argued that the Pegusus part of the operation was the best part of the Airbourne attack, where almost everything went to plan.

I don't wish to be seen as taking sides, as I stated I quite like TLD and think it has some very good features, however having said this I would like to remind people of some of the excellent ideas that Dima has introduced in his TRSM mod....

Take the difference in the mortar fire in TRSM as opposed to TLD, it is not possible to take out ATG with mortars in TRSM easily,  they have a supressive effect rather than destructive, the same holds true for open top vehicles and light armour, in TRSM it is almost impossible to destroy these with mortar fire static or moving.

Unfortunately in TLD we seem to have returned to the old CC5 system of 'guided' mortar firing and its possible to destroy guns with mortar fire, I actually killed an ATG inside a Bunker on one of the Omaha beaches with a mortar shell , which shoudn't be possbile at all, and half tracks etc. fall victim to them far too easily too.

With an indirect weapon such as a medium mortar, it would be almost impossible to hit a moving target when fired alone or in pairs, and very difficult to hit a small static target such as a gun.

It's pity this system wasn't used in TLD as it is a far more realistic portrayal of the effects of limited mortar support.

Cheers
Ronson
PS the mortar support I refer to above is the mortar within the active roster NOT the off board support, which is a different beast altogether

[squadleader_id]

The crude but nicely done "cosmetic" night effects are nice though...after all these years without proper night battles for CC
Anyway, what would be a more realistic spotting distance for night conditions in Normandy? Half the current value in CCTLD?

I agree with Ronson about mortars...it's fun to take out ATGs with laser guided bombs at first...but it gets old fast  
BTW, it could be just me...but using the Beta Patch...mortar shells seem to be less deadly vs ATGs...but after 5-6 rounds you still usually score a kill.

[Dima]