[Tippi-Simo]

..one of the most interesting war started, we call it World War II.



Your thoughts?

[Tippi-Simo]

That was horrible to Finland too, we lost:
- Petsamo
- Salla
- Karjala / Karelia
- Suomenlahden saaret / Gulf of Finland islands

Our casulties were pretty high. And you all know that Russian main objective was to kill civilians by bombing cities and villages.

Rest in peace those who served for Finnish army

[schrecken]

I thnink the Brits and Americans had the same objectives.

[Zturm]

my deepest sentiment to those polish soldiers and normal people who at 5.00 am, fri september 1st heard gunshots and explosions not knowing what the hell was going on and what the hell it was going to become.

[Therion]

I think everyone knew what's going on, as Polish army was already during mobilisation.

What they didn't know is that cowardly and treacherous French and English won't have guts to attack Germany and stop the war.

Yeah, but French and Russians paid for it dearly. In their own blood.

Too bad that there weren't proper compensations paid for the war. Germans should have paid compensations to innocent civilians for exposing them to war, for lost family members, for destroyed private property, etc.

[7A_Woulf]

But what about the German civilians? Don't forget the fire storms in Hamburg, Dresden and the "liberated" parts of Germany where the Red Army plundered and raped there way to Berlin. Or Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

In a war there is only losers, but the history is written by those who are victorious.

My respect goes to all those who lost their lives during this epic war, let us all hope that we don't have to experience anything like it in our time.

(Although we wouldn't have great games like CC, Hearts of Iron or ASL without that time; -Oh what a dull life...  )

[Therion]

[Tejszd]

Careful with the "proper compensations paid" as it is a slippery slope. That was the way things were handled after WW1 and Germany as the country was working only to pay "proper compensations" which later made it easy for the Nazi movement to get control....

[Tippi-Simo]

American sympathy for Finland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwQmwbQttkY  finnish subtitles

France sympathy for Finland: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1MNQk3DECI finnish subtitles

[7A_Woulf]

American sympathy for Finland? Not so sure about that...

On October 27th 1941 the Finns received "a stiff warning from the United States government not to attack the Murmansk railway and impede the transport of US supplies to the Soviet Union." (Seven Days in January by Wolf T. Zoepf, footnote page 23)

-Just as these brave Americans told the Swedish government that they might bomb Swedish cities by 'mistake' if we didn't allowed them (and their British colleges) to fly over Sweden on their way to bomb Germany...  

Don't mistake me for a bloody nazi, since I'm living in the biggest brown-nosing country in the free world I'm damn glad someone told 'Grossfa' Adolf that he was a naughty boy! Otherwise I'm sure that I would be greeting with my right arm raised today...    And at the same time I'm glad that I have the brave Finns as my neighbours to the east, alone they stopped Stalins aggressive expansion to the north-east and their only reason they attacked Soviet in '41 was to retake territories they lost after the peace after the winter war. As far is I know they somewhat lost their will to advance after they retaken those territories, but fell free too correct me if I'm wrong.

WW II is still an infected subject, 70 years since it started, but isn't it time that we stop to think in black-and-white? There were heroes and villains on both sides, both sides committed war-crimes, killed civilians and waged "total war" on each others.

Remember: "The first casualty of war is the truth"

[AT_Stalky]

[7A_Woulf]

Public is one thing, political another...  

Just quoting the book, a very well researched and detailed work. But sure? Can't be, first and only time I've heard about it, but at the moment I'm inclined to believe it.

[AT_Stalky]

[7A_Woulf]

1939 was one thing, at that time Stalin was the enemy of the free world and the aggressor. The Finns did a hell of a job defending their country and without their bravery and the support from the rest of the world who knows if Stalin had settled with the territories he stole.

But isn't it a small misunderstanding here? -I'm talking about the continuous war in 1941 when the Finns cooperated with Germany in order to recapture their lost territories (and I think it's important to make a difference between a full alliance and the military cooperation that the Finns had.) At that time the enemy of the free world was Germany, and by good reasons too. According to the rule of "my enemies enemy is my best friend", Stalin was one of the good guys now and US did all they could to help Soviet in their fight. That's the reason I'm inclined to believe that the Americans threatened Finland.

[AT_Stalky]

Yeh well, my replies has been about:

[Tippi-Simo]