[Kevin92]

Hi guys, haven't bought a game or played much in a couple of years. But with the new releases Im interested in getting one as a small stocking filler. I only play single player GC so head-to-head problems arent really an issue. Just looking for people's recommendations. I like to play as the Axis and engage in good old tank warfare, despite its flaws in this series. Im leaning towards LSA because I never played any games in Operation Market Garden and have TLD so have Normandy covered. But is PitF that much improved that you'd recommend it over LSA? Didn't really like the screenshots of the fog to be honest, but the element of being on the offensive with the Axis is quite appealing, that's what put me off TLD, when playing as the Axis I'd have to just sit and wait for the pathetic offensive attempts of the Allied AI. Don't really put enough playing time in to justify buying both. Thanks for any input!

[mooxe]

I would play TLD with the Battle for Caen mod. I didn't like PITF at all.

[johnsilver]

PITF offers massive maps, 8cm mortars that resemble 120mm in destructiveness and resembles LSA in overlay of units on the map. Individual units retain what they "earned" when returned to the forcepool. It has good points, bad points.. Some don't like the fog (that can be turned off).

I'd try the demo 1st if you haven't. I have it and enjoy it, but only in spurts. Always go back to WAR for the long term CC experience and it's mods.

[mooxe]

Theres a demo?

[DoktorPaj]

I think that although units in PitF keep kills and medals when you send them back in the forcepool, the selection system is not nearly as good as it was in the earlier games. There's too little variation of teams now, although the 21 units limit is a good feature. Also the field of view in PitF was too narrow for me to handle, always when I got shot at I had a lot of trouble finding where it came from.

LSA had it's flaws as well, but I think it was better overall just because it is something I am used to.

[platoon_michael]

I'd buy Wacht am Rhein if I was you.

[southern_land]

Panthers over LSA

[Tejszd]

TLD or WAR as the latest updates made them mod compatible

[Schmal_Turm]

If you want great graphics and large numbers of tanks and other armored vehicles than PitF is the one to buy. Although LSA is fairly enjoyable it is also more limited with the scenarios. PitF has a number of scenarios such as if the Germans decided to launch the invasion a little earlier before the buildup. Highly enjoyable.

[Antony_nz]

There a PITF Demo?
Link please?

[johnsilver]

[Stwa]

[johnsilver]

[Pzt_Kanov]

PiTF is weird

Get LSA instead, much more familiar.

[Schmal_Turm]

Pzt_Kanov,

By "weird" I assume you mean the force pool setup. I was a little perplexed by it at first but have since come to see it as a way to weaken the German armored forces in the sense to not have too many Panthers, etc. It would be nice if the German infantry could have a Schweres MG42 unit attached to the regular units also, but since there were so many MG42s in the regular units it doesn't become such an issue. You definitely have to decide on what is the priority when choosing units.

[Pzt_Kanov]

I like the selection and the 32b graphics etc, it's just that there are a lot of "medium" changes you know? changes too big that you need to re-adapt but not big enough to justify that effort or to make a big impact so I at least became a little frustrated.

Examples:

-The battle UI didn't need to be changed at all.
-Information for selected units is missing (unit icon on soldier screen)
-The zoom in effect, was it really necessary a scale change if the drawback was less visible area of the battlefield?
-Weird changes on the way weapons function. Are you telling me that the Atomic guys didn't get it right even with all that microsoft money?
-Weird change to the selection of vehicles just because we need randomized variation of sherman tanks for some reason and in the process mess with branches of German army having wrong cammo.

At least LSA has that familiar CC5 vibe.

[Kevin92]

Thanks for all the input guys. Decided to go with LSA in the end. Just waiting for Matrix to ship me the right game after a little mixup! Can't wait to start playing around with it. Want to try and fix a few things before starting a Grand Campaign as the Axis, probably add a few more tanks, more protection for AT guns and more German squad choices.

[caruso]

i would say..mmm CC5  

I play sinche the first cc, I've tested both Lsa and Ptif but i still prefir the old game...

[ke_mechial]

I would say most mods are better than new coming versions, I recently ordered CC5 invasion normandy (2000) CD in internet, just to be able to play mods...