Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Bailing Out - How do the Russians act like the Soviets other than neither were ever going to invade. USSR was made up numerous countries, Russia numerous states within the one country. Acting like Soviets. Russia since the Cold War has slowly but surely been surrounded by new Nato countries or wannabies with all the military bases. Which is another promise broken by USA but that is something else. Russia has cut it's defence spending by a quarter while USA has increased their's again for 2017. USA currently spends more on military then the next 8 countries combined.........lol.
Syria has been closely allied to Russia since Glastnost and one of the reasons they were invited and not invaded like the USA. Comparing China to USA in foreign policy isn't a good idea for you. USA has by far the worse ever growing record. It's not even close - 56 countries some of which have been attacked numerous times. The picture of McCain - he knew who was in the meeting with him. McCain is the trouble maker for the US - Ukraine, Venezuela, Iran and many more. To make excuses for him is either naive or accepting of the aggressor roll USA today plays in the world. These meetings McCain has openly said he knows these guys well but refuses to talk about Al Baghdadi and the Al Nusra Commander on the right. The MSM won't chase McCain either or US Security which opens up more questions - why not.
Sth Korean rots have resulted in many deaths / murders it's just their media doesn't report them. Independent media have - Gwangju Uprising 1980's some 680 citizens died. Many others too. They just haven't killed as many as the Nth Korea....yet. Elections coming and word is Sth Korea will have a socialist Govt - closer ties to the north unless outside interference. Iran deals with issues close to home - why is USA in Syria. Iran was invited into Syria, USA wasn't.
Today only Nato countries can operate with impunity over illegal invasions and bombings as USA and Nato countries have. Israel being the exception which is protected by the UN. Sth China Seas islands ruling was a farce. Documented evidence of Chinese habitation of islands, pottery, coinage, poem and songs far out date any other country. Now that oil has been found everyone wants in.
Show me one country that can equal USA's foreign policy of aggression, illegal bombings and invasion since WW2. Also why can the USA get away with these war crimes and crimes against humanity. The double standards for me is astounding and I can only think of one other time in recent history of another country like it - Nazi Germany of the 1930's. What makes a US citizen believe their country can commit these crimes and it's ok.
Other than the above I think our views are similar. Definitely not anti American just anti American foreign policy. Something I hoped Trump would change and it's still too early to know what will happen. Good reply though cheers.
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:08 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Nunes is partisan first. Ethics don't matter. First he said he had to tell the speaker. Then he had to tell Trump. Then today he said he made a mistake.
Tick-tock...the bleeding is never going to stop. Mannafort, Sessions, Flynn, Pence, Trump and now Nunes all caught in multiple lies. Can't keep count of how many times Nunes changed his story why he didn't tell the committee first. McCain is a partisan too but he slammed Nunes for this stunt. Mannafort was the first to get caught lying. He got paid $10M by one Russian billionaire alone. Plus Ukrainian pro-russian interests. And now finally he got tied to the same Bank of Cyprus money laundering scandal like the other dirty Russian $ cronies. And one of Trump's billionaire cabinet members was working for the Bank of Cyprus how convenient.
Nunes is partisan first. Ethics don't matter. First he said he had to tell the speaker. Then he had to tell Trump. Then today he said he made a mistake.
Tick-tock...the bleeding is never going to stop. Mannafort, Sessions, Flynn, Pence, Trump and now Nunes all caught in multiple lies. Can't keep count of how many times Nunes changed his story why he didn't tell the committee first. McCain is a partisan too but he slammed Nunes for this stunt. Mannafort was the first to get caught lying. He got paid $10M by one Russian billionaire alone. Plus Ukrainian pro-russian interests. And now finally he got tied to the same Bank of Cyprus money laundering scandal like the other dirty Russian $ cronies. And one of Trump's billionaire cabinet members was working for the Bank of Cyprus how convenient.
Let's be fair, there is no direct link back to Trump. Any monies Trump has used is through official channels. This story isn't a new one and has been investigated early in the piece and once again nothing was found.One of these day's, those who really want to remove Trump from power are going to have to give up this madness or change tact. Lets face it, it's not as though the removal of one President in favour of a patsy hasn't already happened at least once before.
Sadly using the likes of the Palmer Report as a source of real news is like using Bill Clinton as your daughters child minder. This Palmer is a wacko up there with other fake news reporters.
DJ - Keep trying but please up the sources of your paranoia news. Even something new would be nice.
Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Lets be fair to everyone here. I didn't vote for Trump and I will not defend his idiocy. Ok?
The rest of it is disputable. Not every country is run like we'd want it to be. Hell the US isn't run like I want it to be.
McCain? I will not defend McCain in everything he's done, he's made mistakes, like I basically said earlier. No one is perfect.
Now that I've gone this far into it. The United States has been a greater force for good in this world than any country EVER.
Like I said earlier, we've made mistakes. damn sure in Vietnam and after the 9/11 attacks. Have some of those mistakes been evil?
Yeah, they have been, at times been evil.
The US has never been NAZI Germany. We can't be yet. YET you might say. Yeah yet. Some people don't agree with what we do but that doesn't make it wrong. I was drunk as hell when I wrote thsi and reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks just like they do in congress or while having congress LOL
Lets be fair to everyone here. I didn't vote for Trump and I will not defend his idiocy. Ok?
The rest of it is disputable. Not every country is run like we'd want it to be. Hell the US isn't run like I want it to be.
McCain? I will not defend McCain in everything he's done, he's made mistakes, like I basically said earlier. No one is perfect.
Now that I've gone this far into it. The United States has been a greater force for good in this world than any country EVER.
Like I said earlier, we've made mistakes. damn sure in Vietnam and after the 9/11 attacks. Have some of those mistakes been evil?
Yeah, they have been, at times been evil.
The US has never been NAZI Germany. We can't be yet. YET you might say. Yeah yet. Some people don't agree with what we do but that doesn't make it wrong. I was drunk as hell when I wrote thsi and reserve the right to revise and extend my remarks just like they do in congress or while having congress LOL
Many very wealthy US Industrialists like aided Hitler's rise to power in the 1930's. They were the same people behind 1930's attempted coup of the USA that never took place because of one very good man - Smedley Butler. That clip I put on here a week ago was of him going public over it. FDR decided that to advise the public of so many involved in the treason would impact heavily upon public's view of US leaders and create a state of distrust of the ruling elite so to speak. - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
The same families and business elite are at the top spinning their fake news and creating trouble for an outsider - Trump. I too don't like Trump but he is still a better option than the establishment choice of Clinton. Bush family business - Carlyle Group is doing well - biggest private weapons deal in the world today. They sell to nearly every conflict and often to both sides.
Going hunting then I might have a few beers and read your next reply. Good on ya.
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:00 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Since you only apparently get your "news" from right-wing blogs or Partisan sources. I will post article here. It's all over the news for over a month now. Many, many, many sources and crystal clear ties to Bank of Cyprus.
Again this is the most corrupt Presidential administration in History and pathogolical liars. They think if they keep repeating the lies and invent them as "alternative facts" people might be stupid enough to actually believe. A sucker is born every minute. Just because Trump is supposedly better than Clinton doesn't make it ok what he is doing.
Also Pence and Bannon are even worse. I hope Trump does not die in office because Pence is a radical right-wing fanatic and will absolutely start more wars and seize power.
(Wilbur) Ross, a private equity investor who has said he would step down from the bank after his final confirmation, had also been asked to provide more details about his own relationship with previous and current Russian investors in the bank, including Viktor Vekselberg, a longtime ally of the Russian president, and Vladimir Strzhalkovsky, the former vice-chairman of Bank of Cyprus who is also a former KGB agent with a close relationship to Putin.
and I stand by my statements about money laundering...same thing happened in the early 90's with BCCI scandal but President Bush did NOT have business with them
..In his letter, Booker asked Ross to explain why he had appointed Ackermann as chairman of the bank, noting that Deutsche Bank is the Trump Organization’s largest creditor.
Ross’s investment followed a controversial 2013 bailout of the bank at the height of the European debt crisis that was agreed by the EU, IMF and European Central Bank. At the time, the deal was scrutinised by German politicians who expressed concern that taxpayer funds were being used to bail out a money laundering haven used by Russian oligarchs. A German intelligence report cited by Der Spiegel at the time suggested that Russian deposits in Cyprus banks were worth between €8 to €35bn ($8.5 to $37bn).
Since you only apparently get your "news" from right-wing blogs or Partisan sources. I will post article here. It's all over the news for over a month now. Many, many, many sources and crystal clear ties to Bank of Cyprus.
Again this is the most corrupt Presidential administration in History and pathogolical liars. They think if they keep repeating the lies and invent them as "alternative facts" people might be stupid enough to actually believe. A sucker is born every minute. Just because Trump is supposedly better than Clinton doesn't make it ok what he is doing.
Also Pence and Bannon are even worse. I hope Trump does not die in office because Pence is a radical right-wing fanatic and will absolutely start more wars and seize power.
(Wilbur) Ross, a private equity investor who has said he would step down from the bank after his final confirmation, had also been asked to provide more details about his own relationship with previous and current Russian investors in the bank, including Viktor Vekselberg, a longtime ally of the Russian president, and Vladimir Strzhalkovsky, the former vice-chairman of Bank of Cyprus who is also a former KGB agent with a close relationship to Putin.
and I stand by my statements about money laundering...same thing happened in the early 90's with BCCI scandal but President Bush did NOT have business with them
..In his letter, Booker asked Ross to explain why he had appointed Ackermann as chairman of the bank, noting that Deutsche Bank is the Trump Organization’s largest creditor.
Ross’s investment followed a controversial 2013 bailout of the bank at the height of the European debt crisis that was agreed by the EU, IMF and European Central Bank. At the time, the deal was scrutinised by German politicians who expressed concern that taxpayer funds were being used to bail out a money laundering haven used by Russian oligarchs. A German intelligence report cited by Der Spiegel at the time suggested that Russian deposits in Cyprus banks were worth between €8 to €35bn ($8.5 to $37bn).
Calm down DJ. It's all old news - Fake News rehashed. I'm actually much close to being a socialist than ever a Right Wing Conservative. I do believe in reading most sources these days for a balanced perspective. Guardian, CNN, BBC are good at times but when have they spoken about Civilian deaths in Mosul and tying on War Crimes like they did in Aleppo. MSM are just rehashing another story like the Russian hacks, Russian election interference and Trump ties Russia. I feel sorry for you as you believe the myth of Ring Wing and Left Wing Politics in the USA. It's actually Right Wing and further Right Wing.
Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
DJ - It is good to see that you realize that MSM isn't objective or impartial and certainly not investigative.
A story and only a story that I have heard is that the FBI knows the Clinton's are crooked but can't prove beyond doubt as they ( Clinton's ) have paid off, removed or threatened anyone who goes against them. You might also want to look at how many former employees of the Clinton's have died in planes and car crashes, suicides, unsolved shootings and various other accidents. Politics is dirty but this family live in the mud. Remember it is only a unverified story that will probably never see the light of day.
Predictions - 1 No evidence on Russia and Trump conspiracy. Lets face it if they had one piece you would know instead of guessing and using fake news. 2 Obama Care will crash in the next two years. Proving Trump was correct - playing the long game. 3 US possible attempt to start a Kurdish State in Northern Syria with the failure to remove Assad. The old break up the state like in Yugoslavia and other places. The first two are give-ins but the last is a long shot.
Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
I'm not going to go into all of that Sod98, you obviously think the US has been wrong to go to war almost every time but I want to say a few things.
When you have a giant military hammer, many things start looking like military grade nails and they get hammered. While I do not believe the entire Vietnam conspiracy I do think the length of it had something to do with it being a test bed for weapons. South Vietnam unlike South Korea was never going to fight for itself so we never should have been there. The South Koreans will fight, were only there to keep the peace because the Norks know they can't take us under any circumstances.
The Norks,, why the hell haven't they looked to the north and notice how to run a communist country? If I had to live in a communist country it would have to be China, none of the others work economically. Well because the Chinese abandoned communist economics mostly.
I am willing to bet most people do not agree with you that the Soviets, especially under Stalin, were never going to attack thus the US kept a huge military after WWII. We had always drawn down our military in the past to almost nothing after a war which is why WWII lasted so long. If we had kept the military built up after WWI, the Japanese probably never attack and the Germans wouldn't have lasted long. Once you have a nuclear equal that you think may attack well you have to have the soldiers, carriers and all the other stuff that go with it or everything becomes a nuclear problem.
Then you fight proxy wars, maybe you're in it, maybe you fund it but never against each other. Your military becomes a traveling warrior show, only its real. I suppose its lucky for the US military that we have so many willing to go and fight because if you're in the US military you're pretty much guaranteed to at least get close to the shooting.
I think you and I would have both been happier had Rand Paul gotten the nomination for the GOP or the libertarians I'd also be happier with a full head of hair and neither one is or was going to happen.
Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:10 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
[quote="Bailing_Out";p="86392"]I'm not going to go into all of that Sod98, you obviously think the US has been wrong to go to war almost every time but I want to say a few things.
When you have a giant military hammer, many things start looking like military grade nails and they get hammered. While I do not believe the entire Vietnam conspiracy I do think the length of it had something to do with it being a test bed for weapons. South Vietnam unlike South Korea was never going to fight for itself so we never should have been there. The South Koreans will fight, were only there to keep the peace because the Norks know they can't take us under any circumstances.
Korea - Yes, backing another dictatorship and away from home just to stop Communism that would have died a natural death due to it's many failings.
Vietnam - Yes, once again another dictatorship and coup in Sth Vietnam overseen by the US. Away from home and for all the wrong reasons.
Afghanistan - Yes. post 911 why invade Afghanistan and not Saudi A. Most of the terrorist were Saudi A, trained and financed by Saudi A ?
Iraq 2 - Yes, illegal invasion of - WMD lies.
Syria - Yes, illegal bombing and no invasion of
Yemen - Yes, illegal bombing of all in the name of a disposed of Saudi puppet dictator.
Libya- Yes, remove Gaddafi who was no threat to anyone ( recently ) on the pretext of possible civilian deaths in civil unrests that the US admitted to financing - Libya had free education and health. Everything is gone except Al Qaeda.
....many more examples. How can anyone justify that sort of record without sounding like an apologist, for at best a nationalist govt. All of these countries attacked have had resources that now sport Multinational Corp's ownership. The real reason for these conflicts and nothing to do with justice or freedom unless it's freedom from the assets and resources.
China is still Communist - note the hammer and sickle flags in their cities. It's just a modernized form of the failed Communist state of collectivism. USSR weren't going to invade. Not a shred of evidence exists. Once again their plans were in case of being attacked. You need to read about " Operation Unthinkable ". Propaganda 1960's in the west had many building bunkers and don't doubt many a time the nukes on both sides were ready. But the USSR were never coming for you - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209041/Operation-unthinkable-How-Churchill-wanted-recruit-defeated-Nazi-troops-drive-Russia-Eastern-Europe.html
You need to question more and watch the propaganda you read. Watch Investigative Journalist Oliver Stone's Untold History of the USA. It might open your eyes.
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:31 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Flynn has absolutely not a shred of credibility left. He is one of the most dishonest statesmen in our nation's history. Even failed to disclose he received $ as a paid lobbyist of foreign government, which is a felony. Only reason why he filed the papers is to avoid prosecution that he covered it up. I believe nobody has ever served in such a high level position for such a short duration. Yes Trump admin is desperate to shift the attention. Everything points towards collusion with Russia. Evidence starting to get exposed about
Russian Bot campaign in the final 2 weeks prior to election. Also even Russia is funding California separatist political movement now to help weaken USA unity.
Russia is also said to be trying to helping support radical Right-Wing party in France. And the Brexit movement in England to further weaken the Western alliance. This was said by the former PM of Denmark last night whom also was the head of NATO. Notice a pattern here? Make sense? Russia wants 1/2 a trillion $ oil deal with Exxon...so Trump appoints the head of Exxon to Sec of State to remove the sanctions and seal the deal. Mannafort is very friendly to say the least with pro-Russia separatist factions in Ukraine and literally worked for Putin billionaire allies. Trump repeatedly has criticized NATO...perfectly aligned with Russian interests. Trump has lied about business with Russia. He sold the most expense house in U.S. history to Russian billionaire for well over 2x what he paid for it. His cabinet member did substantial investment with Bank of Cyrpus which is notorious in Europe for being a money laundering haven.
Flynn has absolutely not a shred of credibility left. He is one of the most dishonest statesmen in our nation's history. Even failed to disclose he received $ as a paid lobbyist of foreign government, which is a felony. Only reason why he filed the papers is to avoid prosecution that he covered it up. I believe nobody has ever served in such a high level position for such a short duration. Yes Trump admin is desperate to shift the attention. Everything points towards collusion with Russia. Evidence starting to get exposed about
Russian Bot campaign in the final 2 weeks prior to election. Also even Russia is funding California separatist political movement now to help weaken USA unity.
Russia is also said to be trying to helping support radical Right-Wing party in France. And the Brexit movement in England to further weaken the Western alliance. This was said by the former PM of Denmark last night whom also was the head of NATO. Notice a pattern here? Make sense? Russia wants 1/2 a trillion $ oil deal with Exxon...so Trump appoints the head of Exxon to Sec of State to remove the sanctions and seal the deal. Mannafort is very friendly to say the least with pro-Russia separatist factions in Ukraine and literally worked for Putin billionaire allies. Trump repeatedly has criticized NATO...perfectly aligned with Russian interests. Trump has lied about business with Russia. He sold the most expense house in U.S. history to Russian billionaire for well over 2x what he paid for it. His cabinet member did substantial investment with Bank of Cyrpus which is notorious in Europe for being a money laundering haven.
DJ - Where do you get this rubbish about Russia helping the Right Wing party in France - a comic. She is seeking funding from foreign banks - German, Russian, Chinese etc.....lol.
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
The quote of the day came from ex-FBI agent Clint Watts in testimony to the Senate: "...part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the Commander-in-Chief has used Russian active measures at times, against his opponents", going on to cite a number of examples dating back to Trump's birther campaign. Note the pointed reference to Trump as C-i-C, then painting his role as a clear and present danger. Now that Nunes has laughably tanked the House investigation to assist in Trump's cover-up, the Senate has framed the scandal with the gravity it deserves and is poised to analyze the evidence thoroughly. Given that Rubio's campaign was also targeted by 'active measures', the Republican senator's understand that this isnt about partisan distractions like finding leakers or Obama's non-existent wiretap.
Watts testimony concluded in chilling fashion. After urging the committee to “follow the trail of dead Russians” he concluded “My biggest concern right now is I don’t know what the American stance is on Russia, on who is going to take care of me. After years in the Army and the FBI, working in the intel community?—?today, I’m going to walk out of here and ain’t nobody going to be covering my back. I’m going to be on my own, and so that’s very disconcerting.” Safe to say his concern is shared widely in the US intel community, which Trump has been subverting since last summer.
Doubtful Flynn, who worked with both Russia and Turkey, will get immunity anytime soon. The longer and deeper the investigations dig the less important his cooperation becomes. Certainly not before Sally Yates testifies about the fall of General Flynn. Meanwhile the intricate financial components to the Donnie Moscow affair continue to be unraveled in New York where we are likely to learn that Trump associate Felix Sater is telling the truth about being an FBI(/CIA) mole. And that US Attorney Bharara was fired to squelch several prosecutions potentially damaging to Team Trump.
The quote of the day came from ex-FBI agent Clint Watts in testimony to the Senate: "...part of the reason active measures have worked in this U.S. election is because the Commander-in-Chief has used Russian active measures at times, against his opponents", going on to cite a number of examples dating back to Trump's birther campaign. Note the pointed reference to Trump as C-i-C, then painting his role as a clear and present danger. Now that Nunes has laughably tanked the House investigation to assist in Trump's cover-up, the Senate has framed the scandal with the gravity it deserves and is poised to analyze the evidence thoroughly. Given that Rubio's campaign was also targeted by 'active measures', the Republican senator's understand that this isnt about partisan distractions like finding leakers or Obama's non-existent wiretap.
Watts testimony concluded in chilling fashion. After urging the committee to “follow the trail of dead Russians” he concluded “My biggest concern right now is I don’t know what the American stance is on Russia, on who is going to take care of me. After years in the Army and the FBI, working in the intel community?—?today, I’m going to walk out of here and ain’t nobody going to be covering my back. I’m going to be on my own, and so that’s very disconcerting.” Safe to say his concern is shared widely in the US intel community, which Trump has been subverting since last summer.
Doubtful Flynn, who worked with both Russia and Turkey, will get immunity anytime soon. The longer and deeper the investigations dig the less important his cooperation becomes. Certainly not before Sally Yates testifies about the fall of General Flynn. Meanwhile the intricate financial components to the Donnie Moscow affair continue to be unraveled in New York where we are likely to learn that Trump associate Felix Sater is telling the truth about being an FBI(/CIA) mole. And that US Attorney Bharara was fired to squelch several prosecutions potentially damaging to Team Trump.
Flynn has already been compromised by Turkey but with his request for immunity there is no evidence once again about Russia. Saying something and proving it are two different standards. One is evidence the other speculation. The backers of Clinton want to impeach Trump at all cost to keep the Empire USA going. It's power they seek at all cost , not fairness or truth.
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
As expected the Senate has, for the time being, declined Flynn's offer (and Trump's tweet) that he testify under immunity.
Today's wrinkle in the story are reports that the White House staffers (one being a Flynn protege, the other was Nunes' former House lawyer) who leaked to Nunes werent just scouring raw intel to substantiate Trump's wiretap tweets. Their particular intel activities pre-dated those tweets, using US surveillance assets to track the FBI investigation from the outside.
Jeez, you'd think that a Trump coven claiming "witch hunt" would be somewhat more discrete with its cauldron of spells and Cyrillic incantations.
As expected the Senate has, for the time being, declined Flynn's offer (and Trump's tweet) that he testify under immunity.
Today's wrinkle in the story are reports that the White House staffers (one being a Flynn protege, the other was Nunes' former House lawyer) who leaked to Nunes werent just scouring raw intel to substantiate Trump's wiretap tweets. Their particular intel activities pre-dated those tweets, using US surveillance assets to track the FBI investigation from the outside.
Jeez, you'd think that a Trump coven claiming "witch hunt" would be somewhat more discrete with its cauldron of spells and Cyrillic incantations.
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