Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
I dont see this as Animal Farm but more the prequel to 1984 where doublespeak rooted in blue lies becomes ascendant.
Make of this what you will - Flynn has lawyered-up with a prominent Never Trumper who referred to him as the 'Manchurian Candidate' during the campaign.
T.Rump is showing some major stress over this scandal. At an order signing photo op yesterday he forgot to actually sign the orders, instead departing abruptly as the press peppered him with questions about Flynn. As cameras rolled Pence had to scoop the unsigned docs off the desk and scurry out after his boss.
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Yes I saw that same video. He had the look of stress & bailed-out quick. The irony is that Pence and the Commerce Secretary are even worse than Trump. Pence repeatedly lied that he didn't know about Flynn's involvement when he was notified months prior. Plus guarantee it was a cover story that "Flynn lied to Pence". Total B.S. they were trying to bait and switch. Nunes incident made things way worse. Interesting that Spicer normally a smooth talker was stumped about who let Nunes in to view the doc's. Not even showing the other people in his own party on the committee? Flynn does not really deserve immunity...but clearly he was just doing what he was told by Trump and Bannon. My guess is that it was Bannon.
Russia has set a new standard with Hybrid Warfare. They infiltrated the U.S. poltiical system all the way to the top...likely with bribes and other corruption of our officials.
Russia has made the US look like a Banana Republic and made our Executive Branch totally incompetent. Now Trump sending more troops into Syria and Iraq. And trying to remove restrictions on bombing civilian targets. Would not be surprised if Trump / Pence started another war and soon to serve as distraction. Turkey should be safe at least with their investment paying Flynn to serve their interests.
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Come on guys. You think that be Flynn asking for Immunity and then testifying means that he is going to sink Trump with stories of Russian spy master Putin owning Trump and his team - pure fantasy. Look at other case examples in recent history where immunity has been granted doesn't necessary mean equate to your hopes and dreams. It just means he provides his story which will mean his ties to Turkey. You guys are putting the cart before the horse.
The biggest and best 17 spy agencies in the world plus her allies - like Five Eyes and not a single piece of Russian interference suggests one of two things. Either your spy agencies are either total rubbish or there is really no story but mud sling by a few on Trump and his team. This whole episodes is quickly becoming a third rate movie and not of Trumps doing this time. The real witch hunt should have been on a real witch - Hillary Clinton. That time too has gone so move on from this and back your President. Be American and not anti American.
It's a tongue in cheek comment to those who have accused myself of anti American comments previously. When really all I was doing was commenting on the double standards that exist today with US foreign policy and corrupt practices by most US politicians.
Of particular interest is how people guess that Trump is corrupt with no evidence at all fired on by a propaganda machine funded by US Corporations - MSM. The same Corp's ( who own the MSM ) with use of lobbyists as a form of bribery to legitimize purchase of US politicians to push their financial interests. Chevrons funding of the coup in Ukraine as exposed by Oliver stones - Ukraine on Fire. Ukraine mineral wealth is now all but in name along with other US Oil giants, US owned. However it is clearly illegal for a foreign Govt to do the same and rightly so.
It still amazes me how people can justify and even believe US conflicts were for the better of the invaded and often smashed country. As there is no example of this..........even St Korea operates today with a US backed dictatorship.
Trumps promise of a gradual withdrawal from a failed foreign policy looks very slow due to the pressures of domestic attacks and false flags of Russian election interference etc.
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:21 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
The lack of administration pushback against Clint Watts' testimony that Trump used Russian 'active measures' is telling. The only question that then remains is whether Trump did so wittingly or not. The sheer volume of parallel messaging between Trump and the Russian disinformation campaign circumstantially supports the charge of collusion. Even if he did not this still disqualifies him in our ongoing 'election' - vox populi - effectively, the tv ratings (polls) our tweeter-in-chief is so fond of. The short cycle before the mid-term congressional balloting means that Republicans backing him now have an expiration date on their loyalty if Trump's ratings continue to sag.
The upside is that Trump is showing himself to be monumentally incapable as president. His administration's incompetence will limit the damage it can inflict during his expected short tenure. Trump will explode long before Obamacare, coming apart at the seams like a cheap piñata, spilling invective and lies like so much penny candy.
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
So if they follow the line of dead bodies from the Clinton family will that prove that they are owned by the Multinats - no. Sheer speculation. The lack of push back as you put it doesn't mean anything either. USA today is such a mixed up country god knows where all of this might end. Certainly the Establishment want power again for Clinton to continue their fake wars and proxy campaigns.
It's all about evidence and not paranoia - scared of Russia, China, Nth Korea, Muslims, Mexicans, Syria, immigrants in general etc..........lol.
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Trump earned the label of being corrupt prior to running for president, although not many cared then. Trump University is the easiest example here. Evidence of this and others examples exist.
In your context Sod, I think you mean there's no evidence of him using money for political gain or vice versa since hes been president. That could be true. Once again though, he earned this label prior to becoming president and there are no reasons to believe he is changing.
Trump earned the label of being corrupt prior to running for president, although not many cared then. Trump University is the easiest example here. Evidence of this and others examples exist.
In your context Sod, I think you mean there's no evidence of him using money for political gain or vice versa since hes been president. That could be true. Once again though, he earned this label prior to becoming president and there are no reasons to believe he is changing.
I don't doubt his shady past but haven't they all got one. There is saying someone is corrupt and proving it are still miles apart. Clinton's who is still around surprisingly. Still why do those who voted Hillary worry about what's right and wrong after Bernie Sanders was effectively cheated out of a real chance of being the Democrat's candidate for President. Sanders would have beaten Trump and USA would have had a decent leader for a change. Clinton's shady dealing far out weigh Trumps not only for finance but many other things - sadly to date she has escaped charge also.
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Hard to fathom the cognitive dissonance between a lengthy, impassioned defense of Trump and asserting Sanders would have been the leader America deserves. Nor a previous poster's claim to respect Sanders more than Trump but that Trump should be given a chance. This when Sanders' ideology is the polar opposite of Trump's and the kindest words he's had for president Trump have been to label him a fraud.
It is in deeply conflicted minds such as these that Orwellian doublespeak finds root.
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Not being from the USA, the rest of the world really doesn't give a hoot about US domestic policy to any great degree. The real concern is it's many times failed foreign policy. Something of which those in the US can't seem to understand is one of destruction and resource ownership. Just look at most of the 50+ countries USA has attacked - mineral resources seem to end up in foreign ownership once the regime has change. Not to mention the vast number of countries whose elections were influenced by the US either.
Trump promised similar to Sanders. A more domestic policy and a far less intrusive policy. A last resort after diplomacy has failed - military. Not one of false flags - WMD's in Iraq, Assad use of Sarin gas in Syria, post 911 in Afghanistan, Vietnam - USS Maddox in August 1964 incident plus others.
Some US people seem to be shallow enough to think what their country is doing provides Democracy - by bombs....lol. Freedom and a better life - no schools, no hospitals and no infrastructure. To believe you have a two party system in the USA today shows you have lost touch with reality. The Democrats and Repub's are two sides of the same coin. Definitely from this outsider, USA has many characteristics of a fascist state where the media prints verbatim govt and business press releases unchecked and uninvestigated on little or no evidence and many times recently - Fake.
Sanders would have been the best choice for the people of the USA. Trump 2nd given what rubbish candidates were left. Trump was is still is a very long shot for real change. The Russian stories are just that stories. You guys must read a little of your countries recent history to understand who is pulling the strings. If like what is happening where doco's like Ukraine on fire isn't going to be aired in the US at least watch OS Untold history of the USA. Is Oliver Stone a Russian spy to....give me a break. Speak the truth in the USA today or whistleblowing is now a crime - isn't that a worry. No safe guards against a authoritarian regime is what's happening and they will replace Trump if you can't see it.
No country is beyond murder, corruption, internal political interference but the USA leads on all of them and by far.
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Well said...makes no sense whatsoever. There is no logic, polar opposites. Trump epitomizes what Sanders is against with a staff full of Goldman Sachs executives, nepotism, billionaire elites that set policies that enrich themselves....the list goes on,
Hard to fathom the cognitive dissonance between a lengthy, impassioned defense of Trump and asserting Sanders would have been the leader America deserves. Nor a previous poster's claim to respect Sanders more than Trump but that Trump should be given a chance. This when Sanders' ideology is the polar opposite of Trump's and the kindest words he's had for president Trump have been to label him a fraud.
It is in deeply conflicted minds such as these that Orwellian doublespeak finds root.
Hard to fathom the cognitive dissonance between a lengthy, impassioned defense of Trump and asserting Sanders would have been the leader America deserves. Nor a previous poster's claim to respect Sanders more than Trump but that Trump should be given a chance. This when Sanders' ideology is the polar opposite of Trump's and the kindest words he's had for president Trump have been to label him a fraud.
It is in deeply conflicted minds such as these that Orwellian doublespeak finds root.
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DJ - It's simple, you don't want to understand or admit that your political system is corrupt. Don't worry most are ( countries ) the nature of politics. Every now and then a politician comes along that promises something different / change from what is the norm where the rich pay little tax, can afford the best education and great health care. This may not have been Trump in your eyes but it certainly was in those who voted for him. Also lots of those voters didn't trust Clinton with her 30+ years in high level politics and have changed nothing other than grow her bank accounts. Remember before standing for the Repub's Trump was a Democrat.
Often what Politicians offer they never go through with or are stopped from pushing through - ditching Obama Care is an example. Burying your head in the sand and pretending that Clinton was going to be good for the US was and still is a joke. Your countries debt is all but 20 Trillion dollars. $ trillion from 1 term of Obama long. Clinton was going to continue his policies.
Someone please answer me why you think it's ok for the US foreign policy of 2016 to continue, foreign debt to south like GB third world levels. How Clinton was going to tackle these issues and what makes her a fair and not corrupt politician. Is USA today living beyond it's mean and who will pay for the next collapse - Soro, Clinton 's and Bush family or hard working US tax payer again. Lastly since WW2 what difference exists between Democrats and Repub's in foreign policy as a whole - nothing
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:16 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
In today's Donnie Moscow developments it appears that the UAE brokered a meeting between Eric Prince and an unnamed Russian official in the Seychelles 9 days before the inauguration to "establish a back-channel line of communication between Moscow and President-elect Donald Trump".
Beyond the similarities to Flynn's clandestine contacts the intriguing part of this relates to reports last autumn of unusual computer traffic involving an 'unused' Trump email server getting DNS pinged almost entirely by Alfa Bank (Russian) and Spectrum Health which is led by cabinet member Betsy DeVos' husband. Eric Prince is the founder of the Blackwater mercenary organization, operates Frontier Services Group, a private paramilitary group based in Hong Kong, contributed $250k toward Trump's campaign, and is Betsy DeVos' little brother.
Interesting to see what findings the NSA will make of that curious computer 3-way.
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:52 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Flynn also failed to disclose that he received payments by Russia. Trump's biggest problem legally could be his failure to establish a credible Trust fund. His children are reaping 10's of millions in revenue running the Trump business while they meet in person foreign governments. That is likely going to create a lawsuit soon sit is illegal and against the Constitution according to former Bush counsel Richard Painter and this article in the Atlantic:
Nothing to see here guys it's old hat again. Don't MSM give you guys up to date news or just fake news . This article is just more regurgitated rubbish as the Washington Post ran this some time back. It's about US trying to ply pressure on Iran through Russia. Discussions about Syria, Iraq, Yemen and somewhere else from memory. Who Trump uses is no different to US Military using I have been accused of being a conspiracy theorist by some of you, but you guys take the cake - super paranoid. What next the women that Trump supposedly attacked again.
I see you guys avoid my answer to your " Hard to fathom the cognitive dissonance " rant. No answers explains it all really - your choice of potential President lost, time to move on and stop looking for excuses. Watch OS's Untold Hist USA and you will see what has been happening right in front of your eyes while you slept walked the last few years. All I see is complaints backed up with guess work, 3rd rate journalism and lots of fake news articles pumped full of WMD's scenarios.
It is sad to see people keep ranting without fact checking a thing but running with nothing........it's embarrassing.
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:14 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
Here is the smoking gun of Trump collusion with Russia and Putin, also reported on state owned media ( like BBC ) - https://www.rt.com/news/383379-petersburg-metro-call-putin-trump/
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph
dj - Trump had his trust revised in Feb so he can take cash out anytime he wants. Spicer denied that revision yesterday but, as usual, didnt seem aware it had happened. Combined with the fact his son provides regular financial reports effectively means there is no trust, literally and figuratively. Trump doesnt have much leverage over a Republican congress with such an obvious charge of corruption hanging over his head.
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"Don't MSM give you guys up to date news or just fake news . This article is just more regurgitated rubbish as the Washington Post ran this some time back."
Just to bring you up to date on the news - WaPo broke this story some time back exactly 5 hours and 13 minutes before your NBC link confirmed it. Rather fake to claim that news from half a day ago is 'old'.
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"It's about US trying to ply pressure on Iran through Russia."
By making concessions on sanctions against Russia. The same topic (and Logan Act violation) Flynn and Kislyak discussed in Dec. Flynn, Kushner and Bannon also had a Dec. meeting in NYC with Zayed, who arranged the Seychelles rendezvous. Relevant that Zayed failed to give the Obama administration the customary notification ahead of the NYC trip.
Like Watergate, Donnie Moscow's dots are getting connected thanks to the hard work of the MSM.
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