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WilliamTheSilent

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

NK is a Chinese puppet. They use it to bully their neighbors.
Problem: the have an idiot dictator who lives in a different universe that might throw a nuke on one of it's neighbors.
Especially now he got rattled by that attack on Syria.
Nobody wants that to happen.
Not even China so they will have to take care of it.

There is 150.000 Chinese troops at the NK border.
So they might replace the little dictator.

Good move from the US.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
votes: 5


PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:46 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

[quote="WilliamTheSilent";p="86558"]Putin is a fascist. That means he has his people in all big companies.

Putin is a lot of things but a fascist he isn't. He does the things you accuse him of, but really what country isn't doing the same - China, USA, GB, France, Germany and more. Those who supported fascism in the 1930's, there families are still around causing the same troubles in recent times - Bush family. They own Carlyle Group and supply nearly every conflict in the world and then was Iraq. You just need to look at the countries who increase military spending, dominate world military exports, involved in conflicts globally consistently. Fascism has a very important element of race / religion. Like white christian for an example only.

Hardcore socialist yes. Certainly not communist as he has been fighting communists groups politically in Russia for sometime.
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mick_xe5

Rep: 19.4
votes: 5


PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:05 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Meanwhile...Manafort is belatedly registering as a foreign agent. AP has confirmed at least 2 of the $12.5M in payments listed in the Yanukovych 'black ledgers' were actually paid (laundered) to Manafort in those exact amounts. The ex-head of MI-6 accuses Trump of secretly taking Russian cash to keep his business afloat after the '08 financial crash. Trump informed Xi of the Syria strike over "the most beautiful chocolate cake". It took a 10 minute China-NK history lesson from Xi for Trump to understand NK is not China's puppet. NK appears to be readying another nuclear test. Trump's people cant get on the same page as to whether Assad should stay or go and what role the US will play in Syria. NATO is suddenly, but not surprisingly back in favor with our dysfunctional administration. Pols on both sides say Nunes misrepresented the intel docs purportedly substantiating Trump's wiretap claim. And Trump recently threatened that its "not too late" to fire FBI Dir. Comey.

The leak about Page being under FISA investigation is noteworthy because FISA activity is very tightly held information. Somebody in the IC/Deep State took a huge risk to ensure that tidbit came to light as public attention was being diverted offshore. Who recruited Page for the Trump campaign you ask? None other than Jeff 'recused from all things Russian' Sessions, our nation's highest law enforcement officer.
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dj

Rep: 157.5
votes: 9


PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

How convenient.   After Flynn and Mannafort got caught in multiple lies did they decide to file papers they served as lobbyist receiving payments from foreign government interests.  Kind of like when Jeff Sessions lied under oath, then choose to "amend" his statements to Senate.  There is your proof you kept asking for Sod. Reports of Mannafort money laundering via Bank of Cyprus surfaced over a month ago.  Despite his repeated lies, he finally got caught.  

Yes I am amazed with the constant leaks at the highest levels.  I am concerned that as Trump and many of his questionable staff members become more desperate, they will panic and resort to big distraction like Pre-emptive strikes on civilian targets or instigate wars.  His comments about North Korea are quite provocative.  His approval points went up almost 10 points after Syria strike.  Then all the War Hawks like Graham who led the case for War for Iraq are asking for regime change in Syria.  I am sure they will be desperate and maybe try to start war with NK or Iran.  

Policy makes no sense.  USA used Iranian faction and their Shia militia allies to help prop-up Iraqi govt unpopular with Sunni's.  Then we switch sides and try to use the Sunni's that are angry at Syria government that is aligned with Iran and Hezbollah?  So we have already bombed both sides in Syria now.  Nuts.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:02 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

What a mess and somewhere is the truth whatever it might be. But i'm sure it's going to take some time to filter through all the fake releases, reports and leaks. It doesn't appear anyone is independent enough in the US to do the job. Start from the beginning again and only the Govt can pay Officials as it use to be once before Lobbyists and corruption ran every aspect of Govt and parties. Like some of the Scandinavian countries.
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mick_xe5

Rep: 19.4
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Policy makes no sense... Nuts.
In the last week Trump's 'policies' on  Syria, Russia, China and NATO have flip-flopped, not to mention a slew of campaign positions that have been abandoned as if they never existed. There is no policy in this ad hoc circus.
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mick_xe5

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

We now know where Donnie Moscow got his 'Obama used GCHQ to spy on me' BS.  The Guardian reports that GCHQ first spotted links between members (plural) of Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence in late 2015 and relayed their findings to the US IC.

That rules out Manafort, Page, Flynn and Sessions, none of whom joined the campaign until early '16. The betting favorites are Stone and Cohen, Trump's lawyer.
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dj

Rep: 157.5
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

This article from the Guardian really says a lot...yet barely mentioned in U.S. media.  Shrew move by Trump to plant a leak that they are looking to strike North Korea so the U.S. media would get obsessed.  After the media ran the MOAB attack in Afghanistan non-stop for the past few days.  Eventually this will also get exposed and Trump will have to find a more long-term war to keep media distracted.

"...According to one account, GCHQ’s then head, Robert Hannigan, passed material in summer 2016 to the CIA chief, John Brennan. The matter was deemed so sensitive it was handled at “director level”. After an initially slow start, Brennan used GCHQ information and intelligence from other partners to launch a major inter-agency investigation.

...a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

Another source suggested the Dutch and the French spy agency, the General Directorate for External Security or DGSE, were contributors."
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mick_xe5

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Some media have picked up The Guardian's last para regarding the Wikileaks email dumps -
"One source suggested the official investigation was making progress. “They now have specific concrete and corroborative evidence of collusion,” the source said."

Correction to the timeline above - Sessions started advising Trump in Aug '15, Flynn that December so both are eligible to have been involved in the GCHQ intercepts.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:00 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source said.

The Five Eyes members aren't permitted to spy upon their own ciitizens so their allied countries do the dirty work for them. So it wouldn't be too hard to imagine how easy it would be to gain itel into opposition parties etc for Govt's.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Did you read that from Breitbart.com or some other right-wing blog?  That is complete bulls*t.  Yes they are allowed if part of communications with foreign agents or their frontmen.  That's like blaming the victim for a crime.  And explains why GCHQ got angry when Trump's spokesman tried to blame them.  You are reading Alex Jones and other partisan radical blogs too much.  So now you think this is all an international conspiracy trying to frame Trump and his associates?
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mick_xe5

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):
...So it wouldn't be too hard to imagine how easy it would be to gain itel into opposition parties etc for Govt's.
Easy as "somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds" hacking into the DNC according to El Caudillo del Mar a Lago.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Did you read that from Breitbart.com or some other right-wing blog?  That is complete bulls*t.  Yes they are allowed if part of communications with foreign agents or their frontmen.  That's like blaming the victim for a crime.  And explains why GCHQ got angry when Trump's spokesman tried to blame them.  You are reading Alex Jones and other partisan radical blogs too much.  So now you think this is all an international conspiracy trying to frame Trump and his associates?


No DJ that's their mandate for countries like NZ and Aussie. What's the point of Intel Agencies if they are only going to do part of the job. It like having a massive military for peace keeping or as the world's police. Words are wind Jon Snow. History shows us that Empire like what we have now do what they want when they want with little or no repercussions - illegal invasions etc. Often backed by propaganda outlets - MSM.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Welcome to the age of Cyber Hybrid Warfare with many millions of lines of code of malware with literally armies of hackers employed by governments all over the world.  Plus they use all sorts of third parties and contractors or hired guns.  Even Samsung Smart TV's are vulnerable to microphone activation hacks.  I am happy to have my Government monitor sleazy scumbags taking millions of dollars of "loans" deposited into blackbox bags overseas and not reported as income.  Also I do not see the harm of Western IC sharing info if targets are doing nefarious activities like taking bribes.
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:11 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Welcome to the age of Cyber Hybrid Warfare with many millions of lines of code of malware with literally armies of hackers employed by governments all over the world.  Plus they use all sorts of third parties and contractors or hired guns.  Even Samsung Smart TV's are vulnerable to microphone activation hacks.  I am happy to have my Government monitor sleazy scumbags taking millions of dollars of "loans" deposited into blackbox bags overseas and not reported as income.  Also I do not see the harm of Western IC sharing info if targets are doing nefarious activities like taking bribes.


Totally agree - two cases of differing nature. The first one you might say deserved it although I wouldn't. the second was just illegal and resulted in raids also and made of stories of terrorism.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9103159/GCSB-acted-illegally-on-Kim-Dotcom
 
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8524274/Illegal-spying-85-Kiwis-watched
 
Sadly once again there is no real checks or balances on the Agencies who do run a muck. They prosecute others for their illegal activities while denying theirs in the face of evidence with Govt protection. A Western disease is the continual need for surveillance on very shaky grounds. The things countries like ours use to accuse the USSR and China of doing except now out Govt's are doing it x 10 - https://nsa.gov1.info/surveillance/
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mick_xe5

Rep: 19.4
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

The CVN strike group that a week ago Trump and Mattis said was heading for the Sea of Japan to monitor NK, was actually headed for the Indian Ocean to do scheduled routine training with Australian naval forces. It is now steaming northward — really, truly, honestly this time — expected to arrive in the Sea of Japan sometime next week.

Fake news indeed.
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Antony_nz

Rep: 86.6
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Im going to North Korea on the 28th. I will see the May day tour.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Antony_nz wrote (View Post):
Im going to North Korea on the 28th. I will see the May day tour.


You will be safe. Trump isn't going to do a thing. He's had his bluff called and now doesn't know what to do other than more sanctions. It's pretty clear they haven't worked in the past either.

Funny enough China requires many of Nth Korea's rare minerals for it's Industries. China also won't stand by and watch a takeover by a foreign power
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mick_xe5

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

Intriguing read on re-evaluating China's NK relationship: Excerpts From a Chinese Historian’s Speech on North Korea

"My basic conclusion is judging by the current situation, North Korea is China’s latent enemy and South Korea could be China’s friend."

Why could SK be China's friend? Both have become mercantile countries grown wealthy on international commerce.
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dj

Rep: 157.5
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Donald Trumph Reply with quote

All the tough talk by Trump during the election.  Resulting in Chinese President having to personally give history lesson, while they ate wonderful chocolate cake at his Country Club resort.  And his daughter's clothing company getting official endorsement on the same day.  Marie Antoinette would be proud.  China is making USA look like Banana Republic by making business deal with Trump's daughter.  Very high probability Trump family business owes substantial amount of debt to China.  Which who knows what transpired behind closed doors.  Also how convenient they had this state visit on his private property with his children and Jared present with all sorts of ties to their business holdings.  China also took notice the way to get to Trump is to speak with Jared, Banana Republic style.

Keeping White House visitor logs a secret in the name of National Security was a nice touch as well.
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