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sod98

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:01 am Post subject: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

An interesting read - https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/09/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-attack-into-question/
 
Off Guardian is a pretty good source and associated to the Guardian.
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southern_land

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:40 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

can we suggest operation canned goods is alive and well and operating out of Syria?
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sod98

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

southern_land wrote (View Post):
can we suggest operation canned goods is alive and well and operating out of Syria?


Very true. Just like the myth of the white helmets - saviors..................Al Nusra.
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southern_land

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

One might even suggest that using an old Soviet nerve gas (that various western elements were paid to dispose off after Glasnost) to kill a dissident might be stretching credibility just a tad
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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

southern_land wrote (View Post):
One might even suggest that using an old Soviet nerve gas (that various western elements were paid to dispose off after Glasnost) to kill a dissident might be stretching credibility just a tad


Well if you are asked for a sample of that nerve agent by the people you are accusing and can't give it. There certainly would be an issue of credibility. Esp given their recent issues with the backing up of the WMD lies. Also interesting to note how the Govt and media both claim the nerve agent was Russian made yet it was USSR made and the facility was based in Uzbekistan. Like you say the facility was cleaned up post Cold War by the US. So others certainly had access to the formula. I guess that's why Russia wants a sample as there are different ways to make this substance and could lead to the real protagonists.

Sadly again time won't tell and the truth doesn't matter.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:13 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/105521/Report17.pdf
Read p.24 .  Yes, that`s written by 'inventor' of 'weapon'

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/CSP/RC-3/en/rc3wp01_e_.pdf
UN not knew, was 'weapon' ever exists, or not. But Britain like had full knowledge about, and hide it from UN.

I think, we (russia) now should poison Theresa May herself, openly and publiclly, it will hurt us no harder that already, and next time someone will think twice before such claims.

Picture just as remark. Everyone can google, what is placed in Porton Down.



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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/105521/Report17.pdf
Read p.24 .  Yes, that`s written by 'inventor' of 'weapon'

https://www.opcw.org/fileadmin/OPCW/CSP/RC-3/en/rc3wp01_e_.pdf
UN not knew, was 'weapon' ever exists, or not. But Britain like had full knowledge about, and hide it from UN.

I think, we (russia) now should poison Theresa May herself, openly and publiclly, it will hurt us no harder that already, and next time someone will think twice before such claims.

Picture just as remark. Everyone can google, what is placed in Porton Down.


Great info. It's the games Empires and in particular failing Empires play - disinformation is the new battlefield. Well it has been for sometime really.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-poison/nerve-agent-planted-in-luggage-of-russian-agents-daughter-the-telegraph-idUKKCN1GS0NN
 
Quite believable, from where toxin comes: 2000 miles from Russia in luggage via numerous checkpoints and unpredictable wait for unpacking, or twelve miles from Skripal house by road, h-m.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

JFFulcrum wrote (View Post):
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-russia-poison/nerve-agent-planted-in-luggage-of-russian-agents-daughter-the-telegraph-idUKKCN1GS0NN
 
Quite believable, from where toxin comes: 2000 miles from Russia in luggage via numerous checkpoints and unpredictable wait for unpacking, or twelve miles from Skripal house by road, h-m.


Exactly. Just the other day the Daily Mail were saying the Nerve Agent was smeared over their Skripal's car door handles. Now the luggage but still not providing any sample. A sample could prove the origins or disprove. It's starting to look more like another WMD's sage - trial by media then action.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

Wow, now the gas comes from car ventilation - https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/18/ex-russian-spy-may-have-been-poisoned-by-cars-ventilation-says-us-media  . Flowers, cars, luggage, door bells - Britain clearly degraded from Sherlock Holmes times.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

So the U.K. govt wants to kill Russian nationals living in exile or what would be the motive for killing Putin critics?  Is RT or other Russian media trying to claim Russian nationals living in exile are victims of Yankee or British imperialism?  It's like the govt wants to relive the glory days of Cold War era.

fake news right?   http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-exile-valery-morozov-gets-death-threat-after-skripal-glushkov-2018-3
 
"..A Russian exile living in Britain says he has received death threats saying that people who poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal are coming for him.  Valery Morozov, a 63-year-old who fled Russia after exposing what he said were corrupt business practices, said that he received threats to his life via anonymous, encrypted emails.  Skripal was exposed to Novichok, a Russian-made nerve agent, which left him in critical condition in hospital and sparked a major diplomatic rift between London and Moscow.  Not long after he was poisoned, Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov was found dead in his London home in what police now believe was a murder. Glushkov had earlier warned that he was on a Kremlin hit list."

The only other evidence is from Russian state owned media report whom claimed he "stole" $100M from Russian company.  Well why not seek extradition via U.K. govt to bring him back to Russia to stand trial?
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sod98

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:25 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
So the U.K. govt wants to kill Russian nationals living in exile or what would be the motive for killing Putin critics?  Is RT or other Russian media trying to claim Russian nationals living in exile are victims of Yankee or British imperialism?  It's like the govt wants to relive the glory days of Cold War era.

fake news right?   http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-exile-valery-morozov-gets-death-threat-after-skripal-glushkov-2018-3
 
"..A Russian exile living in Britain says he has received death threats saying that people who poisoned former spy Sergei Skripal are coming for him.  Valery Morozov, a 63-year-old who fled Russia after exposing what he said were corrupt business practices, said that he received threats to his life via anonymous, encrypted emails.  Skripal was exposed to Novichok, a Russian-made nerve agent, which left him in critical condition in hospital and sparked a major diplomatic rift between London and Moscow.  Not long after he was poisoned, Russian exile Nikolai Glushkov was found dead in his London home in what police now believe was a murder. Glushkov had earlier warned that he was on a Kremlin hit list."

The only other evidence is from Russian state owned media report whom claimed he "stole" $100M from Russian company.  Well why not seek extradition via U.K. govt to bring him back to Russia to stand trial?


It's about proof and to date once again no sample given to Russia. Britain asked the question and received an answer. They continue to accuse but the burden of proof now lays with them to show. GB like the US has a history of creating falsehoods to suit foreign policy - WMD's, Sarin gas attacks, Operation Unthinkable and many others.

These ex spies have gone by their use by date for their new host countries, but could serve them one more time it appears. Why hasn't the Brit Govt been more open and honest about the countries who have the ability to make the nerve agent as GB, USA and four or five others countries can as well as Russia. Calling the nerve agent a Russia nerve agent at best is disingenuous as it was made in the USSR in Uzbekistan. Failing with the sample and even refusing a Russian request though the UN speaks volumes.

You say Putin is a clever in spying and election interference etc but stupid enough to do something like this before the Russian elections and the FIFA World Cup............lol. Timing is everything and nothing happens by accident in foreign affairs if you apply common sense.........that could be asking to much from you. I do feel sorry for you.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:02 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

Contempt. Sod's greatest asset.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:45 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Contempt. Sod's greatest asset.


Of fools, gullible people and weak minded - yes. Feel free to add your name to that list mooxe. Unless you have something to add to this comments sections other than your insecurities.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

What about the paranoid?
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sod98

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
What about the paranoid?


Once again you are not adding anything but your lack of judgement. Calm down down mooxe and watch another CNN release on Russian interference or poisoning. You are losing it again.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:20 am Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

If I say too much. You acting as God will censor me again. So you are best to stick to the topic for a change. But only comment if you have something worth stating.........also for a change.

Tells us what you think about the chem attacks in other words......does that help you.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):
An interesting read - https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/09/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-attack-into-question/
 
Off Guardian is a pretty good source and associated to the Guardian.


Associated to The Guardian in that people who are banned from or unhappy with The Guardian head to off-guardian.org to bash Guardian articles. Its mostly opinion pieces and summary articles stitching together a collection of other news site reporting to support their opinions, no journalists at all. No facts of their own investigating, just facts interpreted from the web.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

Cui prodest?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/15/uk-set-up-48m-chemical-weapons-defence-centre-gavin-williamson
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sod98

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:06 pm Post subject: Re: Syria chem attacks Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
sod98 wrote (View Post):
An interesting read - https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/09/evidence-calls-western-narrative-about-syrian-chemical-attack-into-question/
 
Off Guardian is a pretty good source and associated to the Guardian.


Associated to The Guardian in that people who are banned from or unhappy with The Guardian head to off-guardian.org to bash Guardian articles. Its mostly opinion pieces and summary articles stitching together a collection of other news site reporting to support their opinions, no journalists at all. No facts of their own investigating, just facts interpreted from the web.


" other news site reporting to support their opinions ". - read what you just said. Other News sites releases. No different to other medias just using their journalists. Opinions are from the readers and news sites like most MSM. You need to stop making things up. Off Guardian is associated to through it's use of many Guardian articles through agreement of supply. Do a little more research. The article I have used is just one from nearly every MSM and other sources. Using one sources leaves a person with a narrow point of view. Like yours and DJ. Cherry pick your articles just like the facts that you use.

I think you will find most media now use each other articles these days - it's cheaper as most medias are owned by the same groups.
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