US should have attacked Iran or Syria before ever going after Saddam.
Those are terrorist nations.
well,jejejejeje if i use the same logical we must atack USA.
USA had suported Talibans and Sadan hussein in the past, is a fact
then, who is the terrorist here
no one is free of guilty
"Grita devastación y suelta a los perros de la guerra"
"Los unicos que ven el final de la guerra son los muertos"
"Solo hay dos cosas infinitas, el universo y la estupidez humana"
"El que no teme nunca morirá"
The old "let's dig back to the cold war" argument doesn't fly ego.
You're gonna have to do better than that.
..and, Who's the terrorist here you ask? Well certainly that would depend on whose side you're on ego.
You're French, right? What reason do you have to attack the US? You lost some Iraqi weapons contracts now that Saddam is gone or something?
I understand that Saddam being gone isn't the best thing for the french economy and government,,, but attack the US? lol
One way or another, Bush or Kerry, it seems there's going to probably be a draft. The good men and women currently serving the US military have extented duties again and again. Our military is overextended already ( You can thank Clinton for that, and your shabby school books too). You can point your finger at Bush, but that's just not his fault. Naturally he's going to have to spend a lot on a military budget when the former democratic adminitstration slashed the hell out of the military budget and left our armies rusting and undermanned.
It's not 1998 anymore. It's a much diferent world now. Wether we like it or not, we're going to be in a state of war for a long time to come.
Don't get me wrong. I too think we should be working on problems at home and liberating our own people of course rather than spending billions liberating Iraqi's. (Contrary to popular worldwide belief, there are a lot of people suffering in many ways in the US).
Though those days of policing the world like the 1980's/90's are over.
Today, post-9/11, you wouldn't see the US running into Chechoslovakia, Bosnia to oust a madman like Slovadan Milosivich (sp), for example.
I've said it before... What does Operation Iraqi Freedom have to do with 9/11? Not a lot to the naked eye, but more than we might think in the great scheme of things. We could have picked a better fight than that though imo, though we've learned a lot and quite honestly need absolute control in that area for a base of operations in the middle east, etc.. to fight terrorism, and we already had our thumb on Iraq, so why not do it there? Iraq is only the first faze of a very long war that may go on for generations. If US actions since 9/11 have been all for not, then why haven't we seen another 9/11? You don't know enough to make the judement of wether or not we should be doing what we're doing there. There's more going on and so much more to it than we know.
In the long run I think we'll find a lot of good and bad things that result from current actions in Iraq. It doesn't mean it's absolutly "right" or "wrong".
Right now it seems better for the Iraqi's, but down the road I think you'll see why it's very very important for the US.
About war. It's not a soldiers place to decide wether or not he's going to fight. He fights. Bailing on your country because they go to war (a war you may not agree with) seems quite self serving to me. Get it while the gettin's good and run off when you're called to serve? If all the young people in a country were given a choice wether or not they were going to fight, well then we'd have to rely only on those that have a sense of obligation, duty, and honor to thier country (like we have now in a military of volunteers. Though a draft changes all of that). Quite frankly, young people 18-23 yrs old generally don't know enough about why things are the way they are to make a qualified decision about if a war should be fought or not.
We're very lucky that the people serving in the US military serve with honor and have a sense of obligation to their country and their duty as the generation that is called to service when their country calls on them.
Don't think for a moment that there aren't right reasons for the US and her allies to be there. Wether you believe it or not, our soldiers have a duty to do their job there... not desert their country and make a run for the border.
Would you have fought in Afghanastan? What if N. Korea blows up? What if Isreal hits Irans nuclear facilities and we're naturally fighting there too then? What if China moves on Tiawan? We've promissed to defend them from the Chinese.
Run off to Mexico before your number is called?
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: French or Spanish? Indecsion 2004
Pzt_Wruff wrote:
The old "let's dig back to the cold war" argument doesn't fly ego.
You're gonna have to do better than that.
..and, Who's the terrorist here you ask? Well certainly that would depend on whose side you're on ego.
You're French, right? What reason do you have to attack the US? You lost some Iraqi weapons contracts now that Saddam is gone or something?
I understand that Saddam being gone isn't the best thing for the french economy and government,,, but attack the US? lol
Curious.
From EgoSanti's Signature:
"Grita devastación y suelta a los perros de la guerra"
"Los unicos que ven el final de la guerra son los muertos"
"Solo hay dos cosas infinitas, el universo y la estupidez humana"
"El que no teme a la muerte nunca mue"
Not sure is that French or Spanish?
Could it be Spanish?
If you jog back Spain was in Iraq till they realised Bush's greed wasnt worth one of their soldiers lives...
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Well... Ramble on Troger.
Yes. I was thinking ego from France, but remember now he is from Spain (Ego and I we're having discussions several months ago about Spain elections being swayed by terror attacks, etc...) Anyway.. that has absolutly nothing to do with what we're talking about tonight.
You're just reaching.
Anyway. Back on subject...
Troger said...
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If bush passed the draft I would leave this country
then...
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If kerry called on the draft I would join.I have a respect for someone who has a way of finishing this stupid war and who FOUGHT for his when he was called
Ask those he served with and you may change your mind about the Kerry line of "outstanding and honorable" service in Vietnam. And he's never said ANYTHING about how he would "finish" this war. I really don't think you have paid much attention to your Kerry friend these past several months.
BTW. I'm sure you disagree with Vietnam also. That was a f'd up war. You'd run for the border then. Right?
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Bailing on my country? I would leave in a heart-beat, I would never die for Bush and some BS war.
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Just the kind of soldier I want going to fight for my country, the one who shreikes at the word Draft.... LAME..
Well, that's you,... isn't it? Just like your peers. So then you do agree with me that it's lame. Or are you just confused? You're contradicting yourself again.
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If bush wins it will only speed up my will to leave this country.... two weeks ago i filed for a resisdence permit in NZ.
Better make your reservations for.... uh, New Zealand.
Electoral votes at this time:
Bush = 197
Kerry = 188
270 needed.
Oh, just announced... Unofficially Kerry has lost Florida. OW.
The mood is getting pretty gloomy there in the Kerry camp as reality is setting in.
I don't think I'm going that far out on a limb when I say that Bush will hold office for another 4 years.
Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:45 am Post subject: saw
on the tv the american voters how long they wait to make a vote.
quite disgusting really.
cant believe theydo not have an efficient voting system yet.
from my experiences in life 1 man cant solve all ur problems,there is always going to be something u dont like about somewhere or something,but thats life.
it takes a brave man to stand up and refuse to fight at the risk of imprisonment ,differential treatment or even death.
Forget words,actions will show your true ambitions!The Battlefield,In many cases, the terrain of a battlefield can be the best resource a commander has. A clump of trees, an abandoned house, or a drainage ditch can all be powerful tools in the right hands
"And sorry about your boyfriends not being able to tie the knot"
That Comment is out of line... Go fuck yourself...
LOL. True colors Troger. True colors. All I can do is laugh.
Well, you can watch on your local New Zealand news affiliate what's going on in the USA the next 4 years.
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