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Bungarra

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:07 pm Post subject: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

The 10th torpedo boat flotilla of the Imperial German Navy (German: Kaiserliche Marine) was detailed to conduct a bombardment raid of Baltic Port (present-day Paldiski, Estonia) during November 10-11th 1916. The operation is one of the best examples to illustrate the effectiveness of mines and one of the most catastrophic maritime operations that ever took place in the Gulf of Finland. For almost one hundred years these shipwrecks had been forgotten and missing. This summer Badewanne was able to identify first two of the lost destroyers – G90 and S59.

This is a great little site of the Badewanne Diving team. This mob divers have found numerous wrecks in the Baltic whose waters lack the oxygen at depth that aids decay.

Its well worth exploring the list of wrecks they have found on the right hand of the page.

Enjoy...

http://badewanne.fi/?page_id=634


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:38 am Post subject: Re: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

Thanks, never heard that story before!
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:48 am Post subject: Re: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

Common point in Russian sources, that Germans was misguided by Russian spy, provided them wrong minefield map.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

In the book "The Naval War in the Baltic, 1939–1945"  by P. Grooss found that in WWII Kriegsmarine nearly fully reiterated the loss of 10th torpedo boat flotilla in WWI: in august 1944, during attempt to refresh their own minefield 6th torpedo boat flotilla made several navigations errors and smashed into minefield, probably to their target to refresh, with loss of 3 torpedo boats in the row. The investigations was not made, thus in december of same year 6th flotilla again did same mistake, with loss of two more ships on own mines.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

I bought that book too, hard to find something that specific for WW2 in English.  And virtually neglected at least by Western historians.  Also lots of investigations and finger pointing about alleged Russian subs operating in Sweden or Finland territorial waters going back to the 60's.  I think they are really Sub drones maybe not even Russian.
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Bungarra

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:03 am Post subject: Re: The 10th torpedo boat flotilla Imperial German Navy WW1 Reply with quote

A review of the book

The Naval War in the Baltic covers the topic of its title from the build-up to war (both politically and in terms of the key navies in the region) to the aftermath. From the invasion of Poland to the German defensive measures around the Danish straits, the diplomatic contortions of Sweden to maintain its independence in the face of being surrounded by Axis-controlled territory, British minelaying, the desperate actions in the Gulf of Finland and then the desperate defence of the Third Reich and Unternehmen Rettung (the evacuation of more than 2 million people by sea in the face of the Soviet advance), the book contains plenty of detail as well as a good overview of the broad flow of events.

At least to this reader, it was clear these events were more important to the overall pattern of the Second World War than most other works would suggest. It was important to Germany to keep the southern Baltic peaceful to support imports from Sweden and the training of its submarine fleet, motivating efforts to block the Soviet Baltic fleet into the Gulf of Finland, and in the later parts of the war to hang onto the northern Estonian coast for as long as possible so the minefields behind this could be maintained.

It is well illustrated, containing a collection of photographs and maps appropriate to the text, as well as notes and a good bibliography to guide further reading. It is also well written, although being a translated work doesn’t flow quite as smoothly as most (but not all) books written directly in English. Similar to many books on naval history, some of the broader strategic comments aren’t as well informed as the books’ focus. This is no reason not to pick it up though. It’s easily recommended for anyone interested in the topic directly (particularly for those limited to English-language works), as well as those interested in the second world war at sea, or the struggle between Germany and the USSR during the period.


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