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Bungarra

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:27 am Post subject: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

The Turkish website Daily Sabah has some interesting articles relating to History at times.

The area being conquered and reconquered by empires throughout known time...

This one is a bit left field... poses some questions without any definitive answers....

Personally (because of his ego) I don't think he (Hitler) could have endured living every waking day as a failure.....


https://www.dailysabah.com/arts/down-the-rabbit-hole-did-adolf-hitler-die-in-1945/news


You know if you don't live it.... You can't give it.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

https://www.ejinme.com/article/S0953-6205(18)30191-2/fulltext

But that story is of same kind with Russian emperor Nicolas II Romanov`s family remains: if, for a political reasons, its worth for your to believe to their some-how survival - you should.
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dj

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:22 am Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

The Russians lied many times about what happened.  In fact, even Russian historians cite Stalin himself as being paranoid about if he really died as described.

American forensic scientists at least were allowed access to alleged skull fragment of Adolf.  When tested sure enough it was not him.  Test showed it was female.  Russians later backtracked when lie exposed.

Also suspicious accounts of when Adolf's alleged remains were excavated and moved several times...why?  Did they think that too would be debunked?  Whatever allegedly remained Russians said it's gone now.

Russia needs to explain why the lies and monkey business with moving gravesites and skull fragment that really wasn't.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

Even dead Hitler was a political active, for a time useful to achieve some political goals. US also claimed that some infamous Nazis was dead, only to their discovery later in Gehlen organization or other CIA units.
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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

All sides lied.  Russia though really has most explaining to do, will never happen under Putin at least.  Not buying any of their stories.  So if Red Army really did find his Adolf's charred remains, why only the skull fragment was preserved (which was scientifically proven to be lie).  Also extremely suspicious why Russian military moved his alleged remains several times.  Doesn't make any sense

US lied about using former German V-rocket scientists in early space program, presumably some of them Nazi party members or war criminals.  Also about use of the Japanese special forces Chemical weapons staff members whom committed atrocities against China whom also evaded war crimes.

Adolf would have died soon even if evacuated out of Berlin.  Just would be nice if Russia can finally tell the truth. USA basically already exposed their wrong doings.  Britain still holding secrets about Hess incident. Not buying how he magically died shortly before he was supposed to be released from jail.
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JFFulcrum

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

In 1947 Stalin started a plan of partial recreation of NSDAP in soviet zone of Germany, in order to haste restoration of economy&military (source: https://www.studentlibrary.ru/en/book/ISBN5713311600.html).  Such party was really created in DDR, named NDPD, and was used in several attempts of Germany unification on soviet rules and for  influence to West Germany politics (source https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0742555429). Thus, after 1947 USSR leaders changed their policy about Hitler's death and his remains.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:19 am Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

Lie #1: https://abcnews.go.com/WN/hitler-skull-russian-secret-service-custody/story?id=9288287
Russia claimed they had Hitler's skull fragment.  It was scientifically proven it was not.  


Lie #2: Now Russia claims the American forensic scientist never even was there at all? I personally saw the History Channel footage myself and clearly showed it was Russian archive property.  So the History Channel footage was faked Russia wants us to believe now? Interview here: https://today.uconn.edu/2009/09/premiere-of-new-history-channel-series-features-uconn-faculty/
 

Lie #3: https://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/11/russia.hitler.remains/index.html
Source for this alleged last suspicious movement of Hitler remains in 1970 from Russian intelligence.  That has zero credibility, not an actual Russian Government representative or Historian made this claim.  Why 25 years later did Russia feel compelled to move his alleged remains , then destroy them?  I can MAYBE understand if they did that immediately after, documented it with evidence, kept the real bone fragment etc.  Considering the massive destruction the Germans and their Axis allies suffered, why would they have some random guys from KGB mysteriously move and destroy the gravesite?  It's utterly ridiculous lie.
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dj

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Hitler.. dead? A Turkish article on truth and Lies Reply with quote

* correction - considering the massive destruction the German war machine brought to USSR, to brink of surrender and evacuation of Moscow....find it very hard to believe the Russian would not properly document Hitler's remains with photos, military historians and hard evidence.  

The TRUTH is that Russia was embarrassed and ashamed they never accounted for his body and it was covered-up.  Also Russian officers were terrified of reprisals for Stalln if they told him Hitler's remains never accounted for.
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