[pt11070]

Did anyone attempt Anzio mod? Do you think it would be worth it? And which game to make it for? Are newer additions to CC moldable. Would it be reasonable to wait for Gateway to Caen and mod it?
Pt

PS
Good recource for textures?

[Tejszd]

The different versions of CC all bring certain features to the table thus determining what you want will determine which version to mod for....

[pt11070]

[johnsilver]

I was always asking for some type of Italian Mod. The CM game that was based in Italy years ago I liked backed then, but never saw anything related to CC.

I always would vote "Italian theater" whenever someone asked for where they wanted a campaign at. LOL

Anzio, Monte cassino, leading up to it.. Anything

[Tejszd]

There has been a number of threads discussing pros/cons of the different releases but here is a quick summary in my view.

TLD/WAR:
+can use most CC5 data/graphics for mods
(Features added but in later releases too)
+BG's can retreat
+ability to rest battlegroups
+ability to use larger maps than CC5
+different sized battlegroups (max. number of squads that can be sent to battle)
+expanded strat map w/64 maps
+expanded strat map display/view
+play in windowed mode

LSA:
+blowing bridges
+static BG's
+reserve BG's can lend troops in battle
+attack from 2 different VL's
-can not use CC5 data/graphics in many spots due to changes

PiTF:
+32bit Graphics (textures, trees, vehicles, explosions)
+Soldiers' history is not erased if you return them to the Force pool
+guns can be towed
+troops can be carried in half tracks
+21 units per BG instead of 15
+ mortar teams have a delay for firing at a spot for the 1st time (3 last locations are saved and can be shot at again without much delay)
-new multiplayer lobby (no direct connection to host/join)
-less of the battlefield can be seen due to the map scale change (zoomed in view)
-reserve BG's do not lend units to the front line BG in battle
-can not use Previous CC data/graphics in many spots due to changes

[platoon_michael]

I found this from the Waaaayyyy back machine.

[platoon_michael]

Obviously we could do better but it does make one wonder.

[platoon_michael]

I cant remember who did these or what they were for.
But they are cool to look at.

[johnsilver]

That's not a bad looking goal of what an italian campaign would/could/should consist of Michael.

You have kind of gotten onto me a couple of times with regards to if wanted a campaign, do it, or did once a few years ago. If someone takes on this project. I will go back and re learn some of the tools after so many years again.. Just give me the task that is desired and will give it the effort for the goal of an Eye-Tie campaign.  I did some data work on one many years ago.. never fooled with maps, but would be willing to learn if nobody else is willing.

[pt11070]

Opens up so many possibilities, but also questions. I like the idea of big cats (Tiger and Panther) being present and open terrain but limited maneuverability of Anzio area.  I like limited mods and smaller number of maps. Maps can be relatively large.

I need to read up on the whole operation to understand it better.

Which platform would be the best to start out with?
Pt

[platoon_michael]

[johnsilver]

Not trying to butt in Michael, but I have the hiistory stuff and you could DL most anything anyway,, I'd even be willing to do that aspect if you want.. I have done that part before on some PeG-WW2 US Civil War mods for a gentleman.

Weapons, units available.. THAT is what I enjoy, as well as have many books already on hand anyway to look at.

As for 'big cats"? pt11070 may enjoy the fact that many remaining Ferdinand TD's were removed from the Russian front, outfitted with a bow MG and sent to Italy and assigned to TD units.

[platoon_michael]

The Textures2 file is very annoying in the sense that it was so large when I first uploaded it that extracting just sucks.
Some of the textures are very nice though.

The Quick tutorial on heightmaps v1.1a.pdf I highly recommend viewing even if you don't use it.

Map stuff

The Monte Cassino map shown above I believe to be from CCIII it is a map already complete should you like it.

Buildings and graphics for the Monastery could be challenging.
I have no idea of the Terrain but I just always assumed something like this from CCIV Kreta.

Anzio Beachhead Book

[johnsilver]

I take it that they never did release any versions of those Monte Cassino mod maps several years ago? Having a starting point would make it a whole lot easier.

As for terrain. Right. Could doi it that way (follow Kreta) or go with the research that I wouldn't mind doing, or do it yourself. I'll send you links so some books yourself that will aide you if you would rather have it in front of you as you are going along P/Michael.

[pt11070]

I did some reading on Anzio, after Pete unknowingly send me that direction. The landing and beachhead battles were first month in late January and February. The breakthrough was in May. I was hoping to focus on the first part with possibility to reach Rome or follow through with the German plan to drive them to the sea. In a sense it would be more balanced campaign for playing either side. At the very outset anything could have happened.
I'll take anything you have platoon_michael. I just need to make sure that if it is started it will be done. I still have regrets about Ortona. If there are maps that are useful lets use them.
Pt

[platoon_michael]

I just don't know if another beachhead CC is really worth the effort.
We already have Normandy,GJS and Bloody Omaha

I'm also not a big fan of very large maps.

Is there the ability for both sides to have to go on the Offensive and Defensive fighting in Anzio?
To me that aspects the best part of a game.

If you have CCIV have a look at the Kreta Mod.
The maps are very nice

[pt11070]

Not much really happened at the beaches and the port of Anzio. I was mostly inland limited to two different roads five six miles up the road. Allied offensive was first, end of January, and Germans countered in February. German side actually had pretty strong attack force, but nothing panned out. But it could be setup in interesting ways.

[johnsilver]

[platoon_michael]

Hey pt11070.
I have a present for you
Check your PM

[pt11070]

Downloading the files. There is a lot of stuff, thanks.

So any thought about the scope of things. Only Anzio area?
Pt