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vobbnobb

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:24 am Post subject: Ostruppen - and the Nazi Ukrainians Reply with quote

I believe a lot of the Ostruppen found in western Europe were NOT Russian, but Ukrainian and other anti soviet groups befriended by the Germans during Barbarossa. Even though there were many nations in the Baltics and Eastern Europe that were axis, I believe these guys were sent to Italy or stayed in their homeland like Hungarian axis troops. Now the reason I think that people thought they were Russian is because the language is probably very similar and well there really was no Ukraine back then. It makes sense they made a pact with them told them they would take care of their Russian problem for them, sent them to France to work under them and let them keep there guns and ammo. I did some research and found that the Germans used them as auxiliary police and guards. Well what were they when they were sent to France? THE SAME EXACT THING.


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Ramcke

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:39 am Post subject: Re: Ostruppen - and the Nazi Ukrainians Reply with quote

soviet/russian asiatics Cool
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Dima

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Ostruppen - and the Nazi Ukrainians Reply with quote

vobbnobb wrote (View Post):
I believe a lot of the Ostruppen found in western Europe were NOT Russian, but Ukrainian and other anti soviet groups befriended by the Germans during Barbarossa. Even though there were many nations in the Baltics and Eastern Europe that were axis, I believe these guys were sent to Italy or stayed in their homeland like Hungarian axis troops. Now the reason I think that people thought they were Russian is because the language is probably very similar and well there really was no Ukraine back then. It makes sense they made a pact with them told them they would take care of their Russian problem for them, sent them to France to work under them and let them keep there guns and ammo. I did some research and found that the Germans used them as auxiliary police and guards. Well what were they when they were sent to France? THE SAME EXACT THING.

as for Normandy:
705 battalion attached to 709.ID was Georgian.
441 and 439 battalions attached to 716.ID were Ukranian.
Artillery group 'Popow' was Russian.

most of the Ost-units were transferred to the West in 1943 because they were unreliable in the East and often surrendered with weapons to the RA.
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Ramcke

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Ostruppen - and the Nazi Ukrainians Reply with quote

if u google osstruppen there are some good images of many foreign troops in the German mil.

lol, Germans are so often portrayed as the most racist during ww2 but actually were quite liberal. every race and major religion was in the german war machine.

freiess arabien
freiess indian

one british author has written a cpl books on this subject

they were integrated long before america even promoted black soldiers
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