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sod98

Rep: 11.6
votes: 5


PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:00 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

dj wrote (View Post):
Because Hillary did NOT lie about Benghazi.  Lots of right wing agitators floating lies on the net, inventing their own facts.  She already was interrogated by the opposition for more than 8 hours and the head guy could not find anything.  I don't like Hillary myself - but it's not a fair criticism what you & her opponents say about Benghazi.  We took advantage of the situation...but had the usual blowback.  Better off not intervening at all in the mid-east as these are the consequences.


Those sites listed are from Washington Post and Times, NYT etc. They are your mainstream media that at times have been accused of covering up for Clinton. There is another article that I read more recently where some from the US Military at the same hearing gave evidence that contradicts Clintons. Sadly those conducting the hearing never pushed for the truth and when they did she was evasive. Time will tell but she will never be held to account just like Bush Jr wasn't.


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HogansHeros

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:02 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

[quote="dj";p="84448"]
mooxe wrote (View Post):
As for Trump
1)  Opposed Iraq War from the very beginning (unlike Clinton)

Trump has strongly exaggerated his (early) opposition to the Iraq war:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/
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sod98

Rep: 11.6
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 10:17 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Trump has strongly exaggerated his (early) opposition to the Iraq war:
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/[/quote]
 
Nice one....................he thought about but never told anyone. A bit like Hillary with the truth.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:56 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Another one in the pipeline.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/12/wikileaks-to-publish-more-hillary-clinton-emails-julian-assange
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mooxe

Rep: 212.9
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:39 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Do you think there's people who think Edward Snowden is a hero for releasing all those secrets, and at the same time think Hillary Clinton is a criminal for sending her emails via private server?

With the Freedom of Information Act how much of Hillary's email traffic could of been released anyways? What this all comes down to is 1. How many emails were subsequently classified, 2. Were they compromised? and 3. If they were compromised was anyone or thing put in jeopardy?

This email thing is going to blow over and only be an issue for those that can't drop it.

I couldn't tell if that Guardian article Sod98 posted regarded emails gained through the FOIA or stolen.
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Stwa

Rep: 308.9
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:54 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
What this all comes down to is 1. How many emails were subsequently classified, 2. Were they compromised? and 3. If they were compromised was anyone or thing put in jeopardy?


According to the Espionage Act, it does not matter  Arrow

1. When the emails became classified.
2. If anyone ever saw them [the emails] or not.
3. If anyone [from the US] was put in jeopardy.

Espionage Act

Kenneth Wayne Ford Jr. was indicted under 18 U.S.C. § 793(e) for allegedly having a box of documents in his house after he left NSA employment around 2004. He was sentenced to six years in prison in 2006.[86]
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dj

Rep: 145.7
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:20 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Do you think there's people who think Edward Snowden is a hero for releasing all those secrets, and at the same time think Hillary Clinton is a criminal for sending her emails via private server?

3. If they were compromised was anyone or thing put in jeopardy?

This email thing is going to blow over and only be an issue for those that can't drop it.


Your third point is the only the thing that potentially could put her in jeopardy.  All the rest is purely for partisan reasons.  Former House leader McCarthy admitted on live TV that the Benghazi hearings were about weakening Clinton's "approval ratings".  Proving it was just for theater.  When Colin Powell or others before Clinton did it nobody cared.  That being said Clinton faces a serious investigation which has not been completed yet.  It will be all about that point about if there were any security issues and what affect that had.  That stuff is all Classified info.

As a Bernie Sanders supporter, I am hoping that Clinton does have something to hide to force her to withdraw from the election.  It was bad enough Clinton kept dodging questions about her $250K speech at Goldman Sachs.  Now who knows what kind of issues she could face.  Her own Staff should have known better and not let her use the private server.  It could be a huge liability if it got hacked.  Almost impossible to prove though.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:24 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

[quote="Stwa";p="84461"]
mooxe wrote (View Post):
What this all comes down to is 1. How many emails were subsequently classified, 2. Were they compromised? and 3. If they were compromised was anyone or thing put in jeopardy?


According to the Espionage Act, it does not matter  Arrow

1. When the emails became classified.
2. If anyone ever saw them [the emails] or not.
3. If anyone [from the US] was put in jeopardy.

Brilliantly said.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:42 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Do you think there's people who think Edward Snowden is a hero for releasing all those secrets, and at the same time think Hillary Clinton is a criminal for sending her emails via private server?

With the Freedom of Information Act how much of Hillary's email traffic could of been released anyways? What this all comes down to is 1. How many emails were subsequently classified, 2. Were they compromised? and 3. If they were compromised was anyone or thing put in jeopardy?

This email thing is going to blow over and only be an issue for those that can't drop it.

I couldn't tell if that Guardian article Sod98 posted regarded emails gained through the FOIA or stolen.


I wouldn't call the people hacking her emails heroes. However if they can access her emails who else is doing the same. I hear that Clinton destroyed one hard drive that was meant to be handed over prior to the hearing, used her Blackberry as she didn't know how to use the email system, didn't password anything and much more. But the real deal is that was wanted regime change in Libya. Even though the Pentagon was against it and said it would lead to lawlessness and the likes of Al Qaeda and IS gaining a foothold in the country. She still pushed it and why ? Well the weapons freed up from Libya are now found in rebels, FSA, Al Qaeda and Al Nusra hands in Syria and Iraq. The Diplomat who died in the Benghazi terrorist attack supposedly was arranging the " arms for Jihadists " to Syria. Draw whatever conclusion you want from that.

Snowden / Assange etc yes. If anyone brings to light wrong doing at any level then they deserve the backing and security of their country. Not the condemnation and criminalizing of their actions.

Also it sounds like Hillary has told a lot or porkies - lies. These emails will show she deceived the hearing and the public. The emails you were referring to in the Guardian article were leaked but by who.........no one has said yet.
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Stwa

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:25 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):

Snowden / Assange etc yes. If anyone brings to light wrong doing at any level then they deserve the backing and security of their country. Not the condemnation and criminalizing of their actions.

Also it sounds like Hillary has told a lot or porkies - lies. These emails will show she deceived the hearing and the public. The emails you were referring to in the Guardian article were leaked but by who.........no one has said yet.


Good Points.

But all this talk about emails. mooxe is just using this thread to obfuscate the issue. But the email thing is very simple, and the Clinton Foundation thing may be more complicated.

Since Obama has endorsed Hillary, I am thinking there will not be any indictments. The criminals win.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:28 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Since Obama has endorsed Hillary, I am thinking there will not be any indictments. The criminals win.[/quote]

Money talks, BS walks - agreed.
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:16 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

http://thesmokinggun.com/sites/default/files/assets/djtdncgucc.pdf


Here is the Donald Trump Report.

237 pages on him up to December 19, 2015. A comprehensive collection of quotes and articles about his life and career. A bit repetitive reading his quotes and its all generally "bad."
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mooxe

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Something as comprehensive as that for Clinton would be useful.
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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

It now sounds like Hillary Clinton ( Clinton Foundation ) received monies from shadow Corporates like the Bush family owned Carlyle Group. The gun runners to the Moderate rebels from Libya to Syria etc. Can the Clinton's slip any further. This is just more fuel on the Benghazi fire.
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Stwa

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Here is the Donald Trump Report. 237 pages on him up to December 19, 2015. A comprehensive collection of quotes and articles about his life and career. A bit repetitive reading his quotes and its all generally "bad."


Wow mooxe, you kidder.  Laughing

You provided a link to the DNCs Opposition Report for Trump. It was hacked from DNC servers by Guccifer 2.0.

There is more stuff too, like donor information, etc.

The Smoking Gun DNC Donald Trump Opposition Report



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Stwa

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

mooxe wrote (View Post):
Here is the Donald Trump Report. 237 pages on him up to December 19, 2015. A comprehensive collection of quotes and articles about his life and career. A bit repetitive reading his quotes and its all generally "bad."


You call it,  "A comprehensive collection of quotes and articles about his life and career". - mooxe

This blogger calls it a DNC SMEAR JOB.

Saboteur 365



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sod98

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:52 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

You provided a link to the DNCs Opposition Report for Trump. It was hacked from DNC servers by Guccifer 2.0.

There is more stuff too, like donor information, etc.

Also that donor information contains the Carlyle Group and many other Lobbyists buying her influence. Trump might be a lot of things but corrupt he isn't at this stage.

Also didn't the Russians just get the blame for this hack and one of the heads of NATO ( Stoltenberg ) threaten military action upon Russia and others in the future as this would be an act of war.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-nato-idUSKCN0Z12NE
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Stwa

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

sod98 wrote (View Post):
Also didn't the Russians just get the blame for this hack and one of the heads of NATO ( Stoltenberg ) threaten military action upon Russia and others in the future as this would be an act of war.


Yes!  Laughing



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dj

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

This is why I do not trust the Clintons.  Never really have going way back to the 90's when I wanted Gov. Brown to defeat Bill in that primary for the same reasons.  There is VERY LITTLE difference between the 2 parties in that respect.  It is partially due to our corruption in both the Primary elections and the campaign fundraising process.  USA is becoming like a Banana Republic unless something changes.  The Primaries are rigged on both sides.

The vast majority of Bernie Sanders supporters like me can't stand Clinton.  She never did answer to Sanders criticism about the Goldman Sachs speech transcripts.  I wish Bernie would run with the Libertarians...some similar views on Civil Liberties, etc.  And i'm tired of all these Rich dudes calling all the shots they don't care about the people one bit...nor what is best for the country.  

 
sod98 wrote (View Post):


Also that donor information contains the Carlyle Group and many other Lobbyists buying her influence. Trump might be a lot of things but corrupt he isn't at this stage.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-nato-idUSKCN0Z12NE  
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sod98

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:56 am Post subject: Re: US Elections 2016 Reply with quote

Also that donor information contains the Carlyle Group and many other Lobbyists buying her influence. Trump might be a lot of things but corrupt he isn't at this stage.

Sanders would have been so good for the USA and the world - a genuine leader.

Another clip from a Benghazi hearing that Clinton might want to change her comments when the leaks are out - ships containing weapons from Libya to Syria.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jriU_cPU9Vk
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