[ScnelleMeyer]

I am not sure I understand the problem regarding disbanded BGs not coming back.

Did you try adjusting these numbers in Campaign.txt? :

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
6

BGs will respawn the next day even if they get disbanded while cut off from a supply line.
When I put in -1 for maximum distance the BG will reappear on the map it was disbanded the last day regardless of it being an enemy depot.

[Drizzt]

Hi ScnelleMeyer,

They are exactly the strings that I have added the first time: they seem irrelevant in LSA, or, even if they work (of course I don't have tested them in all situations), they anyway "submit" to the supply route issue: no supply route open, no return of the Bgs.

Drizzt

P.S. I have tested directly "-1" value about second option: the "6" you have written it's not a "standard code" option, but it's the number that identify the distance (maps distance) between a (theoretical) big supply depot and the (theoretical) starting map position of the Bg.

[ScnelleMeyer]

Using the following values even BGs that are disbanded while cut off from supply will reappear (I tested this on operations) :

Morale was ON.


# Recycle Disbanded BGs (0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)
1

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
6


I hope this helps.

[Drizzt]

AB Battlegroups are in supply for a long time for special rules: if in the game they are in supply, they will return.

The value "6" or "7" or "8" or less (3 or 4 as use them) it's the maps distance (Bg starting position towards big supply depot): out of the distance from a depot, they will never return in that specific depot  (in TLD; I'm not LSA expert). it's very important option. An example: setting it properly in Der kessel mod, all disbanded Von Mastein Battlegroups they will reappear only in south stratmap supply depots.

Drizzt

[Drizzt]

Anyway Scnellemeyer,

There is also the possibility that I have added the strings in a wrong way (campaign.txt in LSA it's a bit different than TLD). If you want to post your campaign.txt, I will test it.

Drizzt

[crewman]

Hi Scnellemeyer,
interesting what you did, and thanks for experimenting ... perhaps you could post your file and test with GJS, etc.

Thanks

[Drizzt]

Well, I have realized only now that there was no reason to add the strings: in LSA they are simply in another position of the campaign.txt file. The settings in the mod are the following:
# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
1
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
-1

So nothing of new to say. First option is irrevelevant for what we are talking about (it's a "where they will reappear Bgs?" option specific for Bgs that start on friendly depot maps).
Second option is set at maximum level (-1, unlimited): if this option is not bugged in LSA, -1 (unlimited) it's better than 6.

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

I did the same test but with a Cut-off Allied Armoured BG this time.  - I get the same result: The BG reforms on the supply depot the next morning 0600.
It had less cohesion and were still fatigued.

My campaign.txt attached.

[Drizzt]

Your campaign.txt file has no other changes towards mine.
So, I have tested:
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
8

I have set 8 because my goal it's to show you that 6 value it's irrelevant. Result: you have reason, battlegroups return. So, considering that I have set 8 (not 6), my conclusion it's what I have already hypothesized: -1 value of this option in LSA is bugged.

Drizzt

P.S.
Of course, in all these tests,"(0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)" Bgs option it must be always set to 1.

EDIT: but in the mod they don't return.

[ScnelleMeyer]

I agree on what with what you write about :

"# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited) "

The number 6 was in the original LSA campaign.txt so I left it as it was.
I did not really test it, but when I used -1 here, the disbanded BG would reform on its starting map - Even if there was not a friendlu supply depot there and it was enemy territory.

It is very good news that the disband/reform functions similar to TLD.


Starting FP strenght Vehicles and tanks: 25

After 1.disband: 15
After 2.disband: 14

[Drizzt]

No, I change my previous result, because in the mod it works as I have always written: they don't return (6 as value, 8 as value: both tested).
Probably there is something new features about brigdes (son bridge in Scnellemayer tests?) in the orginal LSA that changes this behavior.

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

I dont know why it doesnt work in GJS mod, but it could be something else in Campaign.txt as well - or the bridge maps as you say, but its easy to test it.
In original LSA it works...

These setting causes a disbanded BG to reform on its starting map regardless of supply depot present there or not:
IE it can reform on a map that is out of supply.

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
0
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
-1

[Drizzt]

ScnelleMeyer,

Try to test in GJS this op, it's one the some ops that I have created for tests:
EDIT: tests finished.

Armored allied Bg will not return after disband.
But, reworking the op, if you change the axis depot with an allied depot (in the map where the allied BG attacks), it will return after disband.

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

OK, I will check it out tonight.

[Drizzt]

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
0

Interesting interpretation of this option: for me, it means that the Bgs described in this options can't return in Big supply depot maps not linked with their original starting position big supply depot map. In another words, for me, they can return in all big supply depot maps linked with their starting big supply depot map indipendently by the fact that they are cut off or not, but they can't return in all other big supply depot maps not linked (nont linked = not map by map depots maps) with their starting big supply depot map.
If you have reason, it's another way to see this option: in that case the supply route it's a main issue here (and 0 it's a better choice than 1). I have tested with it always to 1.

Drizzt

P.S. In TLD cut off Bgs can return with this option set to 1: this is the why I have this idea about this option.

[crewman]

Wow, thanks ScnelleMeyer and Drizzt for all ur ideas and testing ... interesting stuff!
I posted a couple questions for Steve at Matrix forum, but no answer yet.

[ScnelleMeyer]

Drizzt:

With the following settings the Allied Armoured BG will reform on its starting map when disbanded in your test scenario.


# Recycle Disbanded BGs (0 = Never come back, 1 = Return next day)
1
- - - - - -

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
0
# Maximum distance from starting map a BG can look for a supply depot to reform on (-1 for unlimited)
-1

[Drizzt]

Excellent ScnelleMeyer, thanks. Now we know that this is was the problem in LSA:

# BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
0

It must be 0 for the return of the battlegroups. Instead, I confirm (re-tested now) that in TLD cut off Bgs they return with this option set to 1.

Problem solved (and we must remember that TLD and LSA are not identical about this matter).

Drizzt

[ScnelleMeyer]

Thanks, - Very good conclusion Drizzt.

[crewman]

Wow, great work there ScnelleMeyer!
if I'm understanding correctly ... if # BGs that start on a friendly depot map can only reform on maps linked to starting map by friendly depots
is set at  0 ... then BG's will return after being disbanded, when  Recycle Disbanded BGs option is set at 1

Thanks too Drizzt!